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Title: Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 23, 2004, 06:04:42 PM
Yep...i'm a gear whore...or at least becoming one   ;D

So, i own a njb3 and a M1, ad20, mv100 and i have my modded at853/943 xlr mics incoming.  How in the hell do i connect my mv 100 and ad20?  I see how the ad20 gets plugged into the nomad via the optical out but i have no clue how to connect the mv100 to the ad20, the mv100 has a line out, rca out and the xlr ins, the ad20 has a spdif out and optical out and the xlr mics in and...some sort of 3 pin port on the other side (it's not labeled  So...what do i need to get all these boxes working?   Thanks you gear whores!  
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 23, 2004, 06:38:28 PM
1/8" stereo (m) > dual xlr (m)

or rca > xlr

all unbalanced of course
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Simp-Dawg on April 23, 2004, 06:41:50 PM
you don't need the mv100 in front of the ad20, the ad20 has gain on it already.  you need to change out the mv100 for a phantom power unit
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 23, 2004, 06:49:52 PM
lol, that too
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 23, 2004, 07:18:22 PM
you need to change out the mv100 for a phantom power unit

huh?  i thought the mv-100 was a phantom power unit, did i miss something?  Ok, quick question: the ad-20 is a adc right?  the MV-100 is a preamp?  If the mv-100 is not a phantom power unit, then what the heck is and then what the heck does the mv-100 do exactly?  Man, i am soooo con-a-fused   :o

What the heck does unbalanced mean?
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 23, 2004, 07:21:13 PM
1/8" stereo (m) > dual xlr (m)

or rca > xlr

all unbalanced of course

so i would run rca out from the mv 100 to xlr in on the ad-20 and have the mics plugged into the mv-100 via the mic inputs?  
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Kindguy on April 23, 2004, 08:05:35 PM
AD-20 is a Pre & AD converter. The Mv100 is a preamp. I'm not sure if it had phantom power or not.

No need for both Pre's. You need some phantom power.

T+

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Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Kindguy on April 23, 2004, 08:09:56 PM
The MV does have Phantom power

http://www.oade.com/microphones/Beyer_MV100.html

Could he run the MV with the lowest gain poss & keep the gain low on the ad-20?

That may be a fix if you have something coming up. I'd sell the MV & get a phantom unit. Also it'll put 100 bucks or so back in your pocket.
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 23, 2004, 11:43:59 PM
The MV does have Phantom power

http://www.oade.com/microphones/Beyer_MV100.html

Could he run the MV with the lowest gain poss & keep the gain low on the ad-20?

That may be a fix if you have something coming up. I'd sell the MV & get a phantom unit. Also it'll put 100 bucks or so back in your pocket.

What phantom unit do you suggest?  I havent taped a show with the mv100 just yet, lol.  I guess i'll learn fast enough if its not for me, but i'm always curious to read opinions if they think i'll be better off with something else.
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 24, 2004, 12:07:41 AM
technically you can run at853 > mv-100 > ad-20 > jb3 but there are two preamps in that setup

if you want to drop the mv-100 for a straight powering box, the ps-2 is popular.

if you want to get rid of the ad-20, you can just use the adc in the jb3.

or dump the ad-20 and get a different adc, like an sbm-1
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: pfife on April 24, 2004, 12:19:18 AM
PS-2!  I have seen a number of them for $100 used...

prolly works nicely with an ad-20!
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 24, 2004, 01:09:23 AM
Does the PS-2 have the same options as the MV-100 (in regards to bass filter) and rca jacks?   See, i'm still a bit confused because i always thought the ad-20 was strictly a adc and the mv-100 was a preamp.  So, the ad-20 provides phantom (48V) power?
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: King Crimson on April 24, 2004, 01:28:24 AM
buy a ps2 and give me the mv100 :P ;)
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 24, 2004, 01:44:49 AM
buy a ps2 and give me the mv100 :P ;)

wise ass   :P
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Kindguy on April 24, 2004, 01:49:58 AM
Does the PS-2 have the same options as the MV-100 (in regards to bass filter) and rca jacks?   See, i'm still a bit confused because i always thought the ad-20 was strictly a adc and the mv-100 was a preamp.  So, the ad-20 provides phantom (48V) power?

The PS-2 is Phantom power only. The AD-20 Is a Preamp & AD converter all in one unit. The AD-20 will not provide Phantom power.

The PS-2 has XLR inputs & XLR outputs. You'll need a pair of XLR interconnects to run the PS-2 > AD-20.  Just like a short pair of mic cables.

Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 24, 2004, 01:31:06 PM
Thanks so much guys, i jumped on bhphoto and ordered some cables to make this rig work, i'll give it a whirl this Spring and Summer and see if its worth it.  Too bad the AD-20 does not provide phantom power to avoid one less piece of gear in the chain.  Worse comes to worse, i'll ditch the mv-100 and get a ps-2, thanks again!  
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 24, 2004, 01:55:46 PM
sound pro also offers a 2 channel 48V phantom box from samson for $60
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: Simp-Dawg on April 24, 2004, 03:08:06 PM
i believe the ps-2 actually has a pigtail connector with the xlr outs on it...and it is the perfect combo with the ad-20 as they are built very similarly and by the same manufacturer.
so you would just need your normal mic cables > ps-2 > ad-20 > jb3.
if the mv100 has phantom, which it apparently does, then run it at the lowest gain possible into your ad-20 and use the gain on the ad-20 i guess.  
Title: Re:Ok...so how the heck so i use all this gear?
Post by: George on April 24, 2004, 04:41:18 PM
i believe the ps-2 actually has a pigtail connector with the xlr outs on it...and it is the perfect combo with the ad-20 as they are built very similarly and by the same manufacturer.
so you would just need your normal mic cables > ps-2 > ad-20 > jb3.
if the mv100 has phantom, which it apparently does, then run it at the lowest gain possible into your ad-20 and use the gain on the ad-20 i guess.  

Sounds like a plan, i'll keep the option open for the PS-2 down the line tho, of course, id' like to have all my gear to be as stealthable as possible, thanks again for clarification guys.