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Title: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: smokenburn on October 21, 2016, 02:25:55 AM
I'm looking for a thread with the distance/time ratio for mixing a matrix recording.   What is the formula, or link to the thread?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: smokenburn on October 21, 2016, 05:27:40 AM
Time = Distance/Speed of sound (1,126 ft/s)
Title: Re: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: Gutbucket on October 21, 2016, 12:47:22 PM
Or, with respect to our purposes, it takes 1.1 milliseconds (0.0011 seconds) for sound to travel 1 foot.
Title: Re: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: smokenburn on October 21, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
sample:

4 ch matrix mix: stereo pair is located 30 ft. f/ the PA and SBD mix.

30 (distance)/1126 (speed of sound) = 26 ms (time)

add 26 ms sample delay to the sbd mix.
Title: Re: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: goodcooker on October 21, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: smokenburn on October 21, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
sample:

4 ch matrix mix: stereo pair is located 30 ft. f/ the PA and SBD mix.

30 (distance)/1126 (speed of sound) = 26 ms (time)

add 26 ms sample delay to the sbd mix.

This is accurate. Use your ears to fine tune a few ms either way. I use the sound of the bass to find the sweet spot where there is no comb filtering.
Title: Re: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: danlynch on October 21, 2016, 03:11:17 PM

This is the general rule.  Some PA systems incorporate delay.  Always check the difference by comparing the precise location of a identifiable point (drum clicks are good).
Title: Re: Matrix Mix forumla
Post by: morst on October 24, 2016, 03:35:20 AM
Quote from: smokenburn on October 21, 2016, 02:25:55 AM
I'm looking for a thread with the distance/time ratio for mixing a matrix recording.   What is the formula, or link to the thread?

Thanks!

If you have a mac machine, try this widget, called Sound Reference:
https://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/calculate_convert/soundreference.html

It lets you calculate wavelength or time based on your choice of ambient temperature. That and a calculator (widget!) to figure how much 1/48,000 of a meter comes out to, and you can nail stuff pretty well!!!

Quote from: danlynch on October 21, 2016, 03:11:17 PM
This is the general rule.  Some PA systems incorporate delay. Always check the difference by comparing the precise location of a identifiable point (drum clicks are good).
Break music over the PA can be very helpful as well. If you have it on a clean SBD feed, then call a spot in it ZERO, and then align your audience mic sources to it...