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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: WiFiJeff on December 01, 2023, 11:47:42 AM
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The MMA-A has been discontinued by DPA, but I don't know anything as compact and capable (at 24/96) to replace it. I understand that the DPA app used to set levels on it will not run on the new iPhone with USB C. Can anyone answer the following:
1) Will the iPhone 15 run Metarecorder and will that still power the MMA-A and DPA mics, using a USB-C cable connection?
2) If you set MMA-A levels with the app on a lightning-connector type iPhone, these generally have carried over to further using the MMA-A with Android or PC based recorders. Although I have not done this too much, I see no reason to assume it wouldn't work with an iPhone 15 running Metarecorder. Has anyone tried this, or experienced any issues with setting levels with the app and then keeping them locked to use the MMA-A on other platforms, even over long periods between use?
I found it nearly impossible to get answers from DPA on the MMA-A even when they did "support" it, so I hope folks here can help.
Jeff
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The MMA-A has been discontinued by DPA, but I don't know anything as compact and capable (at 24/96) to replace it. I understand that the DPA app used to set levels on it will not run on the new iPhone with USB C. Can anyone answer the following:
1) Will the iPhone 15 run Metarecorder and will that still power the MMA-A and DPA mics, using a USB-C cable connection?
2) If you set MMA-A levels with the app on a lightning-connector type iPhone, these generally have carried over to further using the MMA-A with Android or PC based recorders. Although I have not done this too much, I see no reason to assume it wouldn't work with an iPhone 15 running Metarecorder. Has anyone tried this, or experienced any issues with setting levels with the app and then keeping them locked to use the MMA-A on other platforms, even over long periods between use?
I found it nearly impossible to get answers from DPA on the MMA-A even when they did "support" it, so I hope folks here can help.
Jeff
If you want to send me an iphone 15, I'd be glad to test anything you want out :)
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The MMA-A has been discontinued by DPA, but I don't know anything as compact and capable (at 24/96) to replace it. I understand that the DPA app used to set levels on it will not run on the new iPhone with USB C. Can anyone answer the following:
1) Will the iPhone 15 run Metarecorder and will that still power the MMA-A and DPA mics, using a USB-C cable connection?
2) If you set MMA-A levels with the app on a lightning-connector type iPhone, these generally have carried over to further using the MMA-A with Android or PC based recorders. Although I have not done this too much, I see no reason to assume it wouldn't work with an iPhone 15 running Metarecorder. Has anyone tried this, or experienced any issues with setting levels with the app and then keeping them locked to use the MMA-A on other platforms, even over long periods between use?
I found it nearly impossible to get answers from DPA on the MMA-A even when they did "support" it, so I hope folks here can help.
Jeff
yeah was pretty clear they farmed that one out as nobody could offer any support
theres no reason iphone 15 couldnt run metarecorder, as it runs fine on latest ios17. i suspect you are right that it would behave the same in regard to holding settings, but with ios on usbc, i cant imagine why the d:vice app wouldnt still work over usb-c. where did you hear that?
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yeah was pretty clear they farmed that one out as nobody could offer any support
theres no reason iphone 15 couldnt run metarecorder, as it runs fine on latest ios17. i suspect you are right that it would behave the same in regard to holding settings, but with ios on usbc, i cant imagine why the d:vice app wouldnt still work over usb-c. where did you hear that?
Back in October a user noted "As a new owner of the iPhone 15 with USB-C and longtime owner of an MMA-A, I have the same issue and just tried the Amazon Basics Micro USB to USB-C cable and the dpa 4560 binaural headset. While it gets a signal into Metarecorder, the dpa App for MMA-A is not responsive. I don‘t know whether to put that down to the cable or the app but will experiment further. Has anyone else tried other cables with the above combination?"
In the same thread https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=203386.0;all DPA support is quoted as saying the MMA-A app may not have full or ANY functionality on the iPhone 15.
Just looking for any updates.
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ill try to take my d:vice to walmart and plug it into a 15. i gotta find the usb-c cable i bought
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In the same boat here... D:vice and 4060 Cores were the perfect set up for me. I'm keeping an old iPhone 8 Plus around for taping, but I'd prefer to be able to use my 15 Pro.
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Did you have to turn the dvice down to 0 gain with 4060s? In stack taping situations 4061s can be hot
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Bumping this old thread in the hope that someone has a solution to go MMA-A -> new Iphone USB-C (or android or whatever). Any luck anyone?
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Perhaps try the Apple usb.c-lightning convertor; it enables my ApogeeSennheiser Ambeo headset on macbook usb.c.
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Anyone have any updates on using the d:vice with an iPhone 15? Would consider this for a stealth option if it works. Thanks!
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I dont think its the new iPhone. I think its the iOS. Ive been using the DEVICE with my iPhone 10 for years with DPA-4061's . From the fall of 2023 I started to have issues where the device would not be recognised sometimes. I used it to tape the Sheepdogs in sept 2024 and it came out great. Went to LA in OCT and had nothing but huge connectivity problems at the tribute to RR. I punted the next day and bought a Zoom H4 essential and with the DPA XLR adapters and lithium batteries all I can say its a impressive rig. I dont miss anything at all about the device now that I punted to the 32 yard line.
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The MMA-A has been discontinued by DPA, but I don't know anything as compact and capable (at 24/96) to replace it.
Sonosax M2-D2?
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The m2d2 is awesome but not really a comparable device at all
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The m2d2 is awesome but not really a comparable device at all
it's tiny and can send 24/96 audio to a phone via usb c.
and has a great pre and a/d. it's pretty "capable"'
edit: to say i'm not trying to argue with anyone here. But when I saw "the dpa interface is being discontinued and there's no other option" I just wanted to say the m2-d2 is pretty damn slick, though admittedly more money
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I didn’t say it wasn’t capable, it’s a much more capable device than the d:vice. It’s just comparatively huge and more complex.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t capable, it’s a much more capable device than the d:vice. It’s just comparatively huge and more complex.
Huge? it's tiny
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You seem to be struggling with nuance.
Capable vs comparable
Huge vs relatively huge
I can carry the d:vice in my wallet. It's easily mistaken for a phone battery. You actually need a plan to get the m2d2 in. I'd say the PR2 is a more likely replacement for the d:vice than the sonosax, because it's a similar size and also easily jedi mind tricked into venues.
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m2d2 is also a headphone amp (and smaller than my phone). so plug some iems into it and boom, it's my headphone amp.
you seem to just want to argue with me. I'm only saying the sonosax is a excellent sounding alternative if someone wants a small box that connects to a phone via usb and can easily be brought into any venue
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Hey Now! I thought I should mention that I have been using the MOTIV Audio app, developed by SURE, on my iPhone 15 for a bit now without the DPA MMA-A app and it is working well for me. This is for recording with my DPA 4060 mikes through the MMA-A and then to my iPhone 15. I hope that helps!
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Missed this thread originally, but feel like it's worth mentioning that I've never actually used the DPA app. I just do gain control in metarecorder and it has always worked perfectly fine (iPhone 14, not 15, but don't think that matters for that bit)
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m2d2 is also a headphone amp (and smaller than my phone). so plug some iems into it and boom, it's my headphone amp.
you seem to just want to argue with me. I'm only saying the sonosax is a excellent sounding alternative if someone wants a small box that connects to a phone via usb and can easily be brought into any venue
Maybe ya'll are talking about two different devices?
https://sonosax.ch/product/sx-m1m2/ Dimensions: 5,75″ x 3,4″ x 1,6″ (146 x 85 x 40mm), 0,95lbs (435g) with batteries
https://sonosax.ch/product/sx-m2d2/ overall dimension: 74 x 28 x 130 mm (2.9’’ x 1.1’’ x 5.1’’) weight 336g (0.74lbs) with battery
Although "back in my day" we snuck in Sony TC-D5M cassette decks with large microphones and often a small light stand. >:D
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Getting messy. I'll try to clear it up..
The comparison being made is between DPA MMA-A and Sonosax M2-D2, based off this post:
The MMA-A has been discontinued by DPA, but I don't know anything as compact and capable (at 24/96) to replace it.
Sonosax M2-D2?
"Comparable" is subjective. Both are highly capable, relatively small devices compared to other gear, yet are not particularly close in size relative to each other, and have quite different feature sets.
The M2-D2 is larger and is a more universal device that offers far more features.
The MMA-A is considerably smaller and more specialized. It is a dedicated preamp>ADC that provides 2-wire 5V mic power and a has a USB output. That's all it does.
The M2-D2 can do what MMA-A does.. and can also do a lot more. But it is larger AND more complicated.
Relative size and features are often significant factors with gear used for "stealth taping". What matters crucially to one taper may not matter much to another. Grawk is correct that the Diety PR-2 is a much closer comparable device to the MMA-A, both in size and capability. Primary difference is that PR-2 is a dedicated recorder which does not require a phone to operate.
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the m2d2 is not a comparable replacement to the mma for stealthing IMO.
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the m2d2 is not a comparable replacement to the mma for stealthing IMO.
Maybe not directly, but I can get an m2d2 in almost anywhere I can get the dvice into.
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the m2d2 is not a comparable replacement to the mma for stealthing IMO.
I am completely unfamiliar with the MMA-A, kindms runs the SX-M2D2 and it is the smallest pre-amp I've ever held in my hands. I do not stealth much, so I will step aside here.
I am following this discussion for some reason... >:D 8)
carry on and keep calm
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the m2d2 is not a comparable replacement to the mma for stealthing IMO.
Maybe not directly, but I can get an m2d2 in almost anywhere I can get the dvice into.
I'm sure that's true, but at least for me, the switch was made becasue I no longer have to disguise anything, which is a big weight off my shoulders. Like you said, it's basically a phone battery
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MMA-A is round and flat, approximately 2 inch diameter X 1/2" thick.
M2D2 is a rectangular box, approximately 5 X 3 X 1 inches.
Apologies to those outside the US for quoting measurements in "freedom units"