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Gear / Technical Help => Cables => Topic started by: F.O.Bean on September 07, 2024, 11:26:57 AM
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I have been going over my old Sony TCD-D8 DAT recordings and TRYING to update the text files with the CORRECT name/model # of the old SONY Coaxial In/Out -> 7-Pin ACTIVE digital cable, but I am having a VERY hard time finding the proper info online???
The RK-DA10x is the right path, but EVERY cable I find, whether its the DA10/DA10P, only has a coaxial INPUT, and no female output connector attached.
That damn cable was like $125-$150 back in 1998/9 when I bought it, and it just blows my mind that the web is so advanced in 2024, yet I cannot find the exact cable anywhere :o :'(
Any help would be MAJORLY appreciated :banging head:
Thanks,
Bean
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Are you really just trying to find the name/number of the cable, or you want to buy a new one?
I had a similar one that was made by Core Sound, and last time I checked you could still buy one on their website.
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I had one that I sold on ebay in 2018. Here's the info from my listing-
Sony POC-DA12 7-Pin Digital Cable, fits the TCD-D7 TCD-D8 TCD-D3 TCD-D100 DAT.
Hope that helps.
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Sony never made an I/O coax for the 7 pin cord. I had a D7 and Denon DTR 80P (which had it's own whacky ass digi cable...a three ring 1/8" to a coax I/O)
Sony made a coax IN only with 7 pin, and an In and Out with the optical connectors to the 7 pin (I had this cord for patching to my 3800).
OADE made us the In and Out coax cords to the 7 pin connector. And they were in the $150 range in the early 90's. It was a straight in 7 pin (not 90 degree like sony made) and a silver Y at the other end with a white and red female RCA. I don't recall which was In and which was Out. Which reminds me of two baby skunks living near Alpine one year named In and Out. They both went out one day but only Out returned ontime for dinner. When Mama skunk asked Out "Where is In?" Out simply shrugged. Mama skunk went out and promptly found In and brought him back home to be with Out. How did Mama skunk find In so quickly you ask?...
In-stinked.
My D7 was always last in the chain as a result of me not getting the OADE cable.
Hope that helps,
AZ
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oade active 7pin vs oade passive, there wasnt a model # for the active/passive.
https://picclick.com/Oade-7-pin-I-O-cable-active-digital-for-Sony-352736681208.html
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Sony had the RM-D100K for coax i/o. Here's the relevant section from the manual of a Sony PCM-M1 that mentions it. (source (https://archive.org/details/manualsbase-id-217936/page/n41/mode/2up)).
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The RM-D100K was an AC powered unit for home use, unlikely to be used for patching at a show. Far more than just a cable. We're still not quite sure what Bean's goal is here, but it sounded to me like trying to fully document master DAT sources, but for the original recording itself or the transfer or ??
https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/res/manuals/W000/W0009229M.pdf
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The RM-D100K was an AC powered unit for home use, unlikely to be used for patching at a show. Far more than just a cable. We're still not quite sure what Bean's goal is here, but it sounded to me like trying to fully document master DAT sources, but for the original recording itself or the transfer or ??
https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/res/manuals/W000/W0009229M.pdf
Jeff, correct. Just wanting to name my old masters properly than stating "Sony Coax/7-Pin Digital Cable"
Sony never made an I/O coax for the 7 pin cord. I had a D7 and Denon DTR 80P (which had it's own whacky ass digi cable...a three ring 1/8" to a coax I/O)
Sony made a coax IN only with 7 pin, and an In and Out with the optical connectors to the 7 pin (I had this cord for patching to my 3800).
OADE made us the In and Out coax cords to the 7 pin connector. And they were in the $150 range in the early 90's. It was a straight in 7 pin (not 90 degree like sony made) and a silver Y at the other end with a white and red female RCA. I don't recall which was In and which was Out. Which reminds me of two baby skunks living near Alpine one year named In and Out. They both went out one day but only Out returned ontime for dinner. When Mama skunk asked Out "Where is In?" Out simply shrugged. Mama skunk went out and promptly found In and brought him back home to be with Out. How did Mama skunk find In so quickly you ask?...
In-stinked.
My D7 was always last in the chain as a result of me not getting the OADE cable.
Hope that helps,
AZ
Actually, I'm 1,000% correct it was a genuine Sony cable. It had a Coax In -> 7-Pin connector -> Coax output. The 7-Pin portion had a grey housing, right angle, with the analog/digital switch, and that's where the Coax "Y" cable was. I'm going to search HARD for the pics to the cable or the package it came in itself. Just no luck thus far. I bought it from Marc @ Sonic Sense or Terrapin Tapes, because at the time (circa 1998) I had never even heard of the Oade Brothers, so it DEF wasn't one of theirs. Not to mention, I have a ROCK SOLID memory believe it or not, and I KNOW it was a Sony Coax In/Out -> 7-Pin cable. It even had the Sony name embedded into the ends of the coax connectors.
I DID have the other Sony Coax IN ONLY -> 7-Pin cable as well, and according to online, it was called the Sony RK-DA10. So I ASSUMED the Coax IN/OUT version would be called the RK-DA10P.
In a nutshell, this is what I had, EXCEPT with two coax connectors, and it was MUCH cleaner. I believe the Coax OUT was actually further up towards the Coax IN connector, and NOT a perfect Y-Split ?!?!?!
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/sony-poc-da12-optical-digital-cable-1778816642
https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/res/manuals/3859/38599271M.pdf
HOWEVER, this is what mine looked like, except it had Coax IN/OUT.
https://www.springair.de/en/sony-rk-da10-digital-cable-and-microphone-cable/h55388
And since the POC-DA12P has Optical IN/OUT, I just ASSUMED that the coax version, RK-DA12, would have the "P" suffix attached to it, making it the RK-DA12P, which was MADE by Sony AND had coax Ins & Outs.........Common sense would lean that way at least LOL
I DO know that I could be placed ANYWHERE in the chain until I bought my own 481/AM X-Streams/DMIC-20 back in 1999, without affecting any of the other rigs, So I DID NOT need to be put at the end of the chain for whatever reason. Meaning mine was an "Active" cable, correct? I believe that bypassed SCMS too. Not very clear on any of that though :)
I just want to thank everyone for taking the time to pop in and post on this thread. I ALWAYS kept packages of everything I bought, so maybe one lucky day when I'm cleaning my parents house out, I'll find the damn packaging for BOTH Sony 7-Pin cables 8~)
Wishful thinking though. And I'm amazed that in 2024, it's THIS hard to find such information....
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Where have you been hiding, Bean?
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The cable I got from Doug for my D8 way back in the day was the passive version, made using the Sony branded coax cable, with the single input RCA chopped off and wired to a splitter that passed the signal without routing it through the deck. Think of it as if a pair of coax cables were joined with a RCA F>F coupling connector to extend length. I am 100% certain that the only in-out cable Sony ever made for the D7/D8 was optical. The coax was input only. Hope this helps.
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Sony never made a 7-pin coaxial digital I/O cable. They made a coax input only version because there already was input buffer circuitry in the DAT machines to handle the signal. The coax in-only version needed just a single 75-ohm termination resistor. The Toslink version used a monolithic optical transmitter/receiver module with its own driver, so all it needed was a simple buffered output SPDIF TX data stream from the recorder. I wanted coaxial input and output for my D3, so I took my optical cable apart and ripped out the optical TX/RX module. Since one of the seven pins carries 5-volts, I could build and power a tiny box with a U04 logic driver chip and toroidal output isolation transformer to deliver a properly formatted SPDIF coaxial output signal. The input was 75-ohm terminated and buffered with a spare gate before feeding it on to the recorder. I wired on some miniature 75-ohm coax with RCA plugs to finish it up. That unit ran perfectly for a number of years until I bought a rack mount DAT (Panasonic SV-3500 - what a tank!). I wish I had a photo of it. I loaned it out to someone so they could do some digital transfers, and I never saw it again.
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The cable I got from Doug for my D8 way back in the day was the passive version, made using the Sony branded coax cable, with the single input RCA chopped off and wired to a splitter that passed the signal without routing it through the deck. Think of it as if a pair of coax cables were joined with a RCA F>F coupling connector to extend length. I am 100% certain that the only in-out cable Sony ever made for the D7/D8 was optical. The coax was input only. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info! That clears things up. So it sounds like the passive cable you got from Doug was more of a DIY solution, and the original Sony coax was input-only for the D7/D8, with optical being the only true in-out option. Appreciate the clarification!