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Title: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on December 29, 2024, 12:40:55 PM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: goodcooker on December 29, 2024, 01:25:05 PM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?

Yes. The F3 provides P48 phantom power for (2) CCM41s just fine.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on December 30, 2024, 03:49:13 AM
Thanks for the quick reply goodcooker!
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: ero3030 on December 30, 2024, 02:50:19 PM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on December 31, 2024, 12:58:37 AM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it

There are no stupid questions, it's only stupid if you don't ask anything!

Thanks for the kind help.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: HealthCov Chris on January 01, 2025, 03:03:13 AM
As long as you have a box that provides Phantom48 you are fine.  Just make sure you have it engaged.  Any pair of mics into an F3 is about as easy as it gets.  Record > Hold ... come back after the show.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: Melanie on January 02, 2025, 04:19:18 PM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Simple question, simple answer. No need to get all snarky about it. Now do you get it? Bob(who doesn't know everything but isn't afraid to ask)
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: daspyknows on January 02, 2025, 05:27:58 PM
Just be careful on powering F-3.  Likely will need an external batteries or at least lithiums.   All doable but don't go to a festival expecting Duracell AA's to last all day.

 Good question and actually only issue is rge u for likely available in other posts.  Look forward to the recordings.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: yug du nord on January 02, 2025, 11:20:10 PM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?

 https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=192489.msg2395201#msg2395201 (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=192489.msg2395201#msg2395201)
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on January 03, 2025, 10:14:30 AM
Thanks daspyknows and yug du nord

At a concert 4 hours is enough for me, at a festival i need a powerbank.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: daspyknows on January 03, 2025, 09:56:07 PM
You will likely need a power band over 2 hours, maybe less.   
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: SMsound on January 04, 2025, 05:00:57 PM
You will likely need a power band over 2 hours, maybe less.

^^ yes.

FYI if you are planning to buy new mics, the CMC1 + mk41 draw less power than the CCM41 I believe.
Either way, plan on battery swapping or power bank after 2hrs.

I have never tried -- does anyone know -- can you plug in a battery pack and have the F3 switch to using it WHILE recording? Works on my MixPre's but I have never tried on my Zoom F3.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: unidentified on January 04, 2025, 06:28:56 PM
Yes, you can do that on the F3
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on January 05, 2025, 01:21:10 AM
I have a small Li-ion 2500mAh power bank, is that enough or do I need more?

Found in the manual...

Estimated continuous operation time using batteries with PHANTOM at 48 V (5 mA):

Alkaline batteries: about 2 hours
NiMH batteries (1900 mAh): about 3 hours
Lithium batteries: about 7.5 hours
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: ero3030 on January 05, 2025, 08:59:06 AM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Simple question, simple answer. No need to get all snarky about it. Now do you get it? Bob(who doesn't know everything but isn't afraid to ask)
First thing u learn in this hobby.  Powering gear( how to make battery pack) and how to power your mics.  ABC stuff
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: unidentified on January 05, 2025, 09:13:16 AM
Always good to err on the side of kindness in our responses. We're not here to discourage questions. I certainly have a lot of them myself. YMMV
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on January 05, 2025, 09:55:06 AM
I learned a few things by asking this question that I am very happy about.

Maybe I can give ero3030 an ABC about a meaning of a forum:

A forum is an online discussion space that offers space to multiple people with shared interests. A forum is also called an internet or discussion forum. On this public discussion platform questions can be asked, opinions can be shared.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: beroti_music on January 05, 2025, 11:03:54 AM
Don't worry man.
There's no such thing as stupid questions.
Glad you asked and glad to see you bought Schoeps.
We have had a bit of the same mics over the years.
I like the Schoeps mics the most and I'm sure you'll like them too.

About ero3030 or other people that are being rude sometimes; be easy on them. You never know what problems/demons someone is fighting. Of course it's best to be kind, but for some people it's not always possible. Just ignore it and kill it with kindness.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: AbbyTaper on January 06, 2025, 03:54:38 AM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Simple question, simple answer. No need to get all snarky about it. Now do you get it? Bob(who doesn't know everything but isn't afraid to ask)
First thing u learn in this hobby.  Powering gear( how to make battery pack) and how to power your mics.  ABC stuff

First thing you learn in this hobby is...some tapers are assholes.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: beroti_music on January 06, 2025, 01:20:47 PM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Simple question, simple answer. No need to get all snarky about it. Now do you get it? Bob(who doesn't know everything but isn't afraid to ask)
First thing u learn in this hobby.  Powering gear( how to make battery pack) and how to power your mics.  ABC stuff

First thing you learn in this hobby is...some tapers are assholes.

 :cheers: :clapping:
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on January 09, 2025, 01:35:40 PM
Did test at home some different batteries in the ZOOM F3 and the only that are useful are Lithium (5,5 hours) and NiMH (3,5 hours) batteries or at least a 5000 mAh power bank.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: gormenghast on January 09, 2025, 06:57:04 PM
Some great mics there.  A lot of great tapes made back in the day with ccm4’s and an Aerco.  I prefer the 41’s myself.  Now you know—enjoy. 
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: ero3030 on January 10, 2025, 10:43:58 AM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Simple question, simple answer. No need to get all snarky about it. Now do you get it? Bob(who doesn't know everything but isn't afraid to ask)
First thing u learn in this hobby.  Powering gear( how to make battery pack) and how to power your mics.  ABC stuff

First thing you learn in this hobby is...some tapers are assholes.
I'm a asshole for calling out a 50 year old man for being incompetent on buying high end mics and not have a clue on how to use them?  Read the form,. Make educated decisions,. THEN. Ask questions.  No name calling on my part. Uall know it's crazy to buy before u know what u r doing.  Call me what u please. 
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: beroti_music on January 10, 2025, 11:16:31 AM
Can I power two Schoeps CCM 41 microphones with the phantom power of a ZOOM F3 or do I still need a RiotBox or something similar?
For real? 3k for mics and u ask a question like this.  Like buying a motorcycle and ask how to ride. Don't get it
Simple question, simple answer. No need to get all snarky about it. Now do you get it? Bob(who doesn't know everything but isn't afraid to ask)
First thing u learn in this hobby.  Powering gear( how to make battery pack) and how to power your mics.  ABC stuff

First thing you learn in this hobby is...some tapers are assholes.
I'm a asshole for calling out a 50 year old man for being incompetent on buying high end mics and not have a clue on how to use them?  Read the form,. Make educated decisions,. THEN. Ask questions.  No name calling on my part. Uall know it's crazy to buy before u know what u r doing.  Call me what u please.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions. That's what the forum is for.
You did the same, and people helped you.
For example:
https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=118264.msg1579812#msg1579812

Kindness costs nothing.
Title: Re: Powering Schoeps CCM 41 microphones
Post by: one8ung on January 10, 2025, 11:51:56 AM
Thanks Ed for your "figure it out yourself" advice!

The question wasn't about the microphones but if the ZOOM F3 could handle the phantom power on it own or with help from a external box.