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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: beroti_music on July 01, 2025, 08:17:13 AM
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Apart from the occasional dime upload, I never really shared my recordings.
I've traded in the past and I gave friends copies.
I have recorded about 350 shows so far. Mostly stealth audio and video.
I'm thinking about sharing them. What I don't like about dime is the amount of shows that turn into bootlegs later and are sold.
I'm wondering what people here do: do you share your stealth tapes and if so why and where?
If not, why not?
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What's the big deal if somebody sells your stuff? You can't control what people do with your work, whether you just trade it to a friend or post the shows publicly for anyone to download.
What's the point of recording shows if not to share them?
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What's the big deal if somebody sells your stuff? You can't control what people do with your work, whether you just trade it to a friend or post the shows publicly for anyone to download.
What's the point of recording shows if not to share them?
I tape shows to relive the memory and enjoy it myself.
Why do you tape shows? Do you share and if so, where?
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What's the point of recording shows if not to share them?
I agree with robeti: I tape mostly for my own personal pleasure. I have told some of my taper friends that I am a "selfish taper": I am happy to share, but that's not why I do it. I generally share all of my stealth recordings (assuming I ever get them processed) and all of my open recordings where the artist allows it. I also have a large number of "artist-approved, but specifically asked not to share" tapes. Those see essentially no distribution. Don't bite the hand that feeds you and all...
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Sooooooo. Been taping since 1982. Long ago I decided I was not only doing this for myself, but "for the record", as an archivist, so to speak. I have recorded a few bands where open taping was so prolific, might as well only share if it is excellent quality- Phish, WP, GD, etc. OTH, they have uploaded 100% of my GD AUD recordings to archive.org. but none of my WP since they just recently became OK to post on the TS portion. Discussions with archivists for LMA, Matt Vernon, Vanark, Greenone almost to a person say, as long as it is unique, different gear, no other tapers, etc, might as well post it if the band allows archive.org posting.
To your question about keeping it from being sold. Ugh, so difficult. I am aware of many of my masters being available on guitars101 for one instance. That is basically a whaddyougonando situation.
If you are not the one doing the selling, the karma is on those folks.
What I've been doing is hosting current non archive bands on my google drive and use an e-mail list of interested people I've cultivated over the years (over 75 now).
Some people use hightail as their hosting service. I get a weekly e-mail from this guy who lists 10-20 links each posting. This only goes to people he knows, in fact, it just started showing up in my inbox without me asking!
I've seen several TS tapers stuff listed on there.
I hope this helps. And while I feel sharing the music is the important thing, each of us has our own comfort level, and possibly other professional interests which understandably prevent us from sharing.
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In the '90s I recorded from myself and to make copies for friends. since 2010 I upload on dime I don't care if people sell it, I won't even bother looking for my shows being sold anywhere it's not worth my time I didn't know there was other avenues for downloading live shows except for archives, dime, etree and Traders Den.. I would love to be on some of these tapers list for emails more ways to find shows the better!
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Is it really profitable to be selling bootlegs in this day and age where most fans/people either download or stream concerts on Youtube? Or is CD/DVD bootlegs still popular in developing countries?
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In the '90s I recorded from myself and to make copies for friends. since 2010 I upload on dime I don't care if people sell it, I won't even bother looking for my shows being sold anywhere it's not worth my time I didn't know there was other avenues for downloading live shows except for archives, dime, etree and Traders Den.. I would love to be on some of these tapers list for emails more ways to find shows the better!
PM me
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It all depends on the show. If the artist is on LMA, then I'll post it there. If not but I haven't heard that they have a problem with their recordings being shared, I'll post to DIME so the most people can get a copy. If it's a musician who I know would rather it not be shared widely, I'll stick it in Dropbox and share it with a few friends, or maybe post it to a fan Facebook group.
The widespread sale of DIME uploads does have me moving a few more artists from the second category to the third, though. My goal is not to do anything that the musicians themselves would be unhappy with, and a lot of musicians are rightfully displeased when their live performances show up for sale by some rando, so I may be going back to more person-to-person sharing in the future.
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Is it really profitable to be selling bootlegs in this day and age where most fans/people either download or stream concerts on Youtube? Or is CD/DVD bootlegs still popular in developing countries?
I doubt theres any money in it other than a few misguided Rolling Stones or Dylan fans looking for recordings but not knowing its usually freely available. The site rockinconcerts is definitely autodownloading everything on DIME and then posting them for sale, my recordings have ended up there with even my text files just pasted. But theres such a huge volume of recorded shows out there though a pile of sources I doubt much is selling. Anyone in the know enough for live tapes will know where to get them for free.
But who cares really, no ones tapes are ultimately that special in the end. If you're not posting to DIME for whatever reason, fine, but at least get lists out there. Without sharing it what's the point, it'll just rot on a hard drive somewhere and no one will ever get to enjoy it.
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I also have a large number of "artist-approved, but specifically asked not to share" tapes. Those see essentially no distribution. Don't bite the hand that feeds you and all...
Yep, same. But those are also a bummer - they're sometimes some of my favorite tapes, and I put a lot of work into them. But I'm going to respect the artist's wishes.
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^ Yes, indeed. Some of my best recordings, including several that I have listened to a gazillion times, live only in my computer/NAS, my portable player, and my wife's car (burned to CD, no less). Heck, I just recently made a (in my opinion) superb recording of a band that has close to 1500 shows on LMA, but was asked not to share it. Disappointing, to be sure, but it is what it is...
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Is it really profitable to be selling bootlegs in this day and age where most fans/people either download or stream concerts on Youtube? Or is CD/DVD bootlegs still popular in developing countries?
I doubt theres any money in it other than a few misguided Rolling Stones or Dylan fans looking for recordings but not knowing its usually freely available. The site rockinconcerts is definitely autodownloading everything on DIME and then posting them for sale, my recordings have ended up there with even my text files just pasted. But theres such a huge volume of recorded shows out there though a pile of sources I doubt much is selling. Anyone in the know enough for live tapes will know where to get them for free.
But who cares really, no ones tapes are ultimately that special in the end. If you're not posting to DIME for whatever reason, fine, but at least get lists out there. Without sharing it what's the point, it'll just rot on a hard drive somewhere and no one will ever get to enjoy it.
I bet he sells 50 to 250 a weekk so it does add up. If there was no money in it would he be doing it? I doubt that. As far as the CDs for a variety of bands go on their msg board sites and see how many are buying EVEN WNEN THEY CAN DOWNLOAD FOR FREE. I got into it one one clown on a Pink Floyd site over that. He said there are only 1000 made and they are an investment. Like investing in Beanie Babies.
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^Indeed. Many Queen fans still buy bootlegs as well. Unbelievable.
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^ All of the bands mentioned (Stones, Floyd, Dylan, Queen) are older bands, likely with older fans. As anyone with parents can attest, some of them don't adapt to new technology very well. Many are probably unaware of the bit torrent sites or LMA and also have problems dealing with them. And share ratios are a bitch when you are only downloading.
A couple of days ago, I received an e-mail newsletter from a band pointing their fans to their LMA collection. It was surprising to see the reaction, as most of them were completely astounded to find out that such a thing existed. I already got 25 or 30 messages from random strangers thanking me for my recordings...
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^ All of the bands mentioned (Stones, Floyd, Dylan, Queen) are older bands, likely with older fans. As anyone with parents can attest, some of them don't adapt to new technology very well. Many are probably unaware of the bit torrent sites or LMA and also have problems dealing with them.
No, the big "legacy" bands are savy enough (or at least employ staff that are) to know about downloading and sites that are promoting it. Most are not going to raise a big fuss on sites that trade in unofficial live recordings from 30-60 years ago however they will contact the site if they see someone trying to profit from those recordings or if official material was being shared.
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I wasn't talking about the bands. I was talking about the fans, some of whom subsidize the bootleggers...
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I wasn't talking about the bands. I was talking about the fans, some of whom subsidize the bootleggers...
Ahh, got it. On that point I absolutely agree.
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My wording wasn't exactly clear...
I am always astonished by the number of people that come up to me to ask if/where recordings will be posted for LMA bands. I point them towards the site and they can't believe the wealth of recordings available for free.
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^ Yes, indeed. Some of my best recordings, including several that I have listened to a gazillion times, live only in my computer/NAS, my portable player, and my wife's car (burned to CD, no less). Heck, I just recently made a (in my opinion) superb recording of a band that has close to 1500 shows on LMA, but was asked not to share it. Disappointing, to be sure, but it is what it is...
I've made some exceptions for folks that I know I can trust. Like I've become friends and often tape with someone that used to be in an "indie famous" artists' band, still does work with him by making music videos and occasionally sharing songwriting. He knows the drill. I'd feel kind of dumb not trusting him with that stuff. Otherwise, same, just on my harddrive.
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I used to share much more widely but when something is up for sale 48 hours after posting on Dime or a Japanese bootleg site is reviewing the pressed silver of my recording with my name attached I dont really need that. I share withing a circle of 1000 people or so which is enough for me.
Last Rolling Stones tour I made a decision to restrict sharing further because I found that even in my small sharing circle my recordi gs were ending up as silvers. I shared "digitally watermarked" versions to those who asked and a year later none of my Rolling Stones recordings was making some scumbag money. Some people don't care if that happens but at this point I do.
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I completely understand.
I stealth mostly major acts and sometimes smaller acts. I dont want my tapes to end up as silvers but the material I tape is perfect for that.
Decided to share my NIN recording from last weekend here https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=207654.0
Let's see how that goes :)
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For those who share video; what format do you share in and wich size?
I record in 4k these days. For personal use/archive I like to keep the quality as good as possible. This means I create MKV files that contain the video in the same quality I recorded in (usually around 100 mb/s) and flac audio. For a 90 minute concert the total size of the movie is around 65 GB this way.
Probably a bit too large for sharing. If sharing in 4k what bitrate should I use? Also, is it ok to share in HD?
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For those who share video; what format do you share in and wich size?
I record in 4k these days. For personal use/archive I like to keep the quality as good as possible. This means I create MKV files that contain the video in the same quality I recorded in (usually around 100 mb/s) and flac audio. For a 90 minute concert the total size of the movie is around 65 GB this way.
Probably a bit too large for sharing. If sharing in 4k what bitrate should I use? Also, is it ok to share in HD?
H.264 seems to be a good compromise for compression regarding file size vs quality. Or H.265 if that works.
https://www.videomaker.com/how-to/shooting/files-and-formats/h-264-the-most-popular-video-compression-standard/ (https://www.videomaker.com/how-to/shooting/files-and-formats/h-264-the-most-popular-video-compression-standard/)
In a nutshell
H.264, or MPEG-4 Part 10, is a video compression standard
H.264 is the most used codec in the field
As a video codec, H.264 works with multiple container formats such as .MP4 and .3GPP
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Ok, but what filesize?
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Ok, but what filesize?
depends on length of program and screen size
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Like the "I tape shows to relive the memory and enjoy it myself" statement.
Secondary I like to share some of my recordings but know i can't control it despite the line i put in the info file "It is recorded with the intention of sharing it on the sites I select myself!"
Hope you share/trade some of your stuff, I know you got some shows i attended.
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I have shared most of my recordings...both the ones with permission from the bands/artists and also the stealth tapes.
Even the smaller bands usually gets at least one or two happy people who appreciate that you recorded that particular band.
Lately I have stopped to tape these big stadium/big arenas kind of bands...because the security at those events are just getting harder to come by...and of all stadium rock bands I only like U2 these days...no more Guns N Roses or Rolling Stones for me...
I also tape alot more smaller bands with permission and that´s quite nice actually. They get a good tape and I get a tape that I can share if I wish.
I think you should share your recordings with other people because what will happen the day that we are no longer around? No one knows about your tapes if you don´t share them...but if you really don´t want to share them I respect that as well.
These days I usually put my tapes up on sites like: Live Music Archive, Dime, Traders Den, TS and Swisstransfer. In the past I also traded my recordings with other tapers and traders via one-to-one torrents.
Happy taping!
PS. If you still have your Public Service Broadcasting-tape...I am still interested :-)
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Sometimes I share stuff that aren't tradeworthy, but only audio. I don't share videos on ROIO sites because most of time end up some shitty reencoded BD and DVD versions of them (even stealing credit - yeah authoring fancy menus is your credit, but not going to the show and recording it), so videos are trading only.
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Sometimes I share stuff that aren't tradeworthy, but only audio. I don't share videos on ROIO sites because most of time end up some shitty reencoded BD and DVD versions of them (even stealing credit - yeah authoring fancy menus is your credit, but not going to the show and recording it), so videos are trading only.
I understand. I've only shared about 10 videos or so and always by making direct copies for friends. Never on dimeadozen or so.
Maybe youtube is a future option.
How does it work for full concert videos? You need a special account to upload long videos?
Also, won't it be taken down if you upload a full concert of let's say Muse or some other popular band? Im a total youtube noob. Any help is welcome:)
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Sometimes I share stuff that aren't tradeworthy, but only audio. I don't share videos on ROIO sites because most of time end up some shitty reencoded BD and DVD versions of them (even stealing credit - yeah authoring fancy menus is your credit, but not going to the show and recording it), so videos are trading only.
I understand. I've only shared about 10 videos or so and always by making direct copies for friends. Never on dimeadozen or so.
Maybe youtube is a future option.
How does it work for full concert videos? You need a special account to upload long videos?
Also, won't it be taken down if you upload a full concert of let's say Muse or some other popular band? Im a total youtube noob. Any help is welcome:)
I have a regular account and have uploaded videos of a couple hours in length, so I don't think that matters. I've had a couple videos asked to be taken down because a certain venue doesn't comply with ASCAP rules, so I just set those to private. They are still on YouTube, but nobody can see them, if that makes sense. But, I've never had any band or musician ask for something to be taken down (although I did have one ask me not to post a video ahead of time, so I did upload it and just set it to private as well, just to keep as a backup).
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As some others have stated, i tape for myself first but i do feel an obligation to also share what I recorded with the general public. I upload my recordings to the archive and i have a youtube channel for my videos.
As far as youtube goes, the only thing they're gonna do is slap a copyright on it so you wouldn't get paid for ads on the video, but the copyright holder, the band, would be the only people that could "strike" your video and get it pulled down. So if anyone has video, i'd encourage you to create a youtube channel, its a lot of fun and you also get your videos archived on the #1 video sharing platform on the internet.
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Started sharing some of my uncirculated videos on youtube!
Just 1 song at the time for now, but maybe in the future full shows will follow.
Like and subscribe if you feel like it:)
https://www.youtube.com/@beroti_music
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Started sharing some of my uncirculated videos on youtube!
Just 1 song at the time for now, but maybe in the future full shows will follow.
Like and subscribe if you feel like it:)
https://www.youtube.com/@beroti_music
Still hoping to see Keane Rotterdam ‘06 sometimes.
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The footage is quite shaky, not really worth watching imo. I've shared the audio already. You have that one, right?
I'll upload some footage soon. It was a great show when Keane was at the height of its succes in The Netherlands.
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Started sharing some of my uncirculated videos on youtube!
Just 1 song at the time for now, but maybe in the future full shows will follow.
Like and subscribe if you feel like it:)
https://www.youtube.com/@beroti_music
Still hoping to see Keane Rotterdam ‘06 sometimes.
Just watched the footage again. There are some hidden gems in there after all. I was at the back of the arena and had no monopod or some other form of stabilisation when filming. The camcorder had 25 times analogue zoom. That helped. Some of the footage came out nice.
https://youtu.be/9w_Gk3-JmRI?si=UDL2iwplkyJuPsvl
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Looks promising, especially for someone who was there.
And yes, I've had the audio since you first shared it on Dime.
Happy with it!