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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: nickgregory on September 01, 2004, 09:42:35 AM
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OK, so I am considering trying to borrow a V3 for the Acoustic Planet show on Friday night and since the show runs `4 hours, I was going to run 2 dat decks, starting the second, midway through the show so I dont miss any of it. So I would be running Mics>V3>D100>M1...I am assuming that I would need to continue running the D100 to pass a signal through...right? Assuming this is the case, then this model wont work, because eventually the lead deck will stop. Do I have any other options? (and no JB3 is not an option :) )
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Run one off the coax, and the other off the AES1 consumer output. I've run AES1 XLR / coax cable (both with and without an impedance transformer) > D100 with fine results. Just make sure the AES1 is set to output a consumer signal. I believe the default jumpers are set to consumer signal, not pro.
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had not considered that...let me see if I can find a AES cable here locally...thanks for the info!
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Or just run a coax splitter right outta the V3, before both decks - but I'd test this first to make sure spliting the signal doesn't cause either or both decks to not sync. I think the coax/AES option is probably safer, but either solution should work.
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would any local type stores carry an AES/coax cable? I assume i could get a coax splitter from rat shack if I wanted to try that....
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you can run the d100 off a oade cable and then run the coax out of the first oade cable into another oade cable to the m1
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you can run the d100 off a oade cable and then run the coax out of the first oade cable into another oade cable to the m1
yeah, but wouldnt I have to keep the d100 running to pass the signal to the m1? this is what I wanted to do, but thought it would not work
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can't say with 100% certainty, i'll try it tonight unless someone can verify before then.
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can't say with 100% certainty, i'll try it tonight unless someone can verify before then.
if you can try it, that would be great.....I wont have access to another deck til friday..thanks
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you can run the d100 off a oade cable and then run the coax out of the first oade cable into another oade cable to the m1
yeah, but wouldnt I have to keep the d100 running to pass the signal to the m1? this is what I wanted to do, but thought it would not work
Nope, won't work. I've tried this before. The Oade cable isn't a splitter. It's linear: Oade cable input > deck > Oade cable output. It sends the signal into the deck...then the deck passes it back out. And the deck will only pass the signal out if in Record or Record/Pause mode.
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yeah, i vauguely remember running into this a few years ago.
nick, if you can get your hands on a dap1, run coax to the p1, coax out of p1 to 2nd deck. i believe the p1 won't fall out of pause like the m1/d100.
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thanks moke...good to know...
george good point, let me see what I can pull together....
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where's Jason B at? He doesn't have something around the house or at work?
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why not just press pause when the d100 gets near the end of the tape. It will pass a signal in record pause. I have done this at shows where I had a patcher running a 3 hour tape and I was running a 2hour. I just hit pause and passed the signal to the patcher so that he would get the complete tape...
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the pause on the D100/M1 shuts down after 5 minutes (I think it is) of not being engaged.
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where's Jason B at? He doesn't have something around the house or at work?
he was my next call tonight... :)
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the pause on the D100/M1 shuts down after 5 minutes (I think it is) of not being engaged.
if you can't change a tape in 5 minutes you have problems :P
edit: speaking of the V3 mine is en route to my house as i type 8)
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the pause on the D100/M1 shuts down after 5 minutes (I think it is) of not being engaged.
if you can't change a tape in 5 minutes you have problems :P
I agree with this, but realize, the decks have to be setup serially, once I start the 2nd deck, that will be the deck catching the remainder of the show. As a result, when the first one runs out of tape, it will shut down
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i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.
or am i missing something?
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i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.
or am i missing something?
that would create three tapes...My hope would be to only have 2 tapes after it is over...
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i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.
or am i missing something?
Sooooo...how does one change the tape in the first deck (through which the signal flows to the second deck) while it's in Record/Pause mode?
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nick;
why can't you run 2 decks from 2 of the 4 digi outs from the v3?
bnc>s/pdif > one deck
s/pdif > other deck.
marc
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bnc? that's the word clock out isn't it?
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bnc? that's the word clock out isn't it?
Unless you've had it modded to an opti out. ;D
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I'm working on that :)
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bnc? that's the word clock out isn't it?
my bad... one out from AES>coax > deck the other from s/pdif>coax>deck.
marc
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that's the problem, he doesn't have an aes cable... ;)
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what's wrong with having 3 tapes -- all of the solutions mentinoned below (aes>spdif cable, adaptors, splitters, etc.) are going to run more, $$$-wise, than a third blank dat.
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hey Nick, be glad you didn't try to tape Phish 12-31-99
second set went from about 11pm to 7am straight through with no stops ;D
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(http://members.chello.se/harryperonius/india/hampi/image_color/monkey_fuck.jpg)
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tim-i tried to tape that mess, and damn what a mess it was :)
schwill-what the hell is that for ???
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what's wrong with having 3 tapes -- all of the solutions mentinoned below (aes>spdif cable, adaptors, splitters, etc.) are going to run more, $$$-wise, than a third blank dat.
no problem..just like to know my options! Thanks all for the info...+Ts all around
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tim-i tried to tape that mess, and damn what a mess it was :)
schwill-what the hell is that for ???
I taped the first 4 sets... and didn't go near the damn section for the last set ;D
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i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.
or am i missing something?
Sooooo...how does one change the tape in the first deck (through which the signal flows to the second deck) while it's in Record/Pause mode?
Can't you record to the second deck first, leaving the first deck in record/pause mode until it's needed? I'm pretty sure my D8 will remain in pause mode indefinitely as long as it's powered via AC; is the M1/D100 different?
--Dave
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Can't you record to the second deck first, leaving the first deck in record/pause mode until it's needed? I'm pretty sure my D8 will remain in pause mode indefinitely as long as it's powered via AC; is the M1/D100 different?
--Dave
Not sure if the M1/D100 will remain in pause indefinitely while on AC. Hmmmmm. 'Course, this brings up the question: do you have external power for your decks, Nick?
I'm completely stunned by how much traffic / many posts this thread generated! :o
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I BELIEVE that a d7/d8/d100/m1 will pass (and show) levels indefinitely if ONLY the record button is pressed. I seem to recall that, unlike puttting the deck in record pause, this does not cause the deck to load the tape and spin the heads, which I also believe is the reason the deck eventually drops out of record pause.
Darrin
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I thinkn darrin is right....
when at a show I place my sony deck and all others in record, then just hit pausex2 to get it rolling.
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Can't you record to the second deck first, leaving the first deck in record/pause mode until it's needed? I'm pretty sure my D8 will remain in pause mode indefinitely as long as it's powered via AC; is the M1/D100 different?
--Dave
Not sure if the M1/D100 will remain in pause indefinitely while on AC. Hmmmmm. 'Course, this brings up the question: do you have external power for your decks, Nick?
I'm completely stunned by how much traffic / many posts this thread generated! :o
bri;
the m1/d100 will kick out of rec/pause mode after 5min even with external. both will stay in rec mode (passing signal) indefinitely.
marc
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I BELIEVE that a d7/d8/d100/m1 will pass (and show) levels indefinitely if ONLY the record button is pressed. I seem to recall that, unlike puttting the deck in record pause, this does not cause the deck to load the tape and spin the heads, which I also believe is the reason the deck eventually drops out of record pause.
Darrin
this I may have to try to see if it works....thanks!
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i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.
or am i missing something?
Sooooo...how does one change the tape in the first deck (through which the signal flows to the second deck) while it's in Record/Pause mode?
yeah i don't know why i said that :-[ that won't work. i think i misread boswell's post and was confused. my apologies.
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tim-i tried to tape that mess, and damn what a mess it was :)
schwill-what the hell is that for ???
I taped the first 4 sets... and didn't go near the damn section for the last set ;D
nice, i was deep in the section patching outta my buddies cad>v2>ad1k>p1 rig :)
i didnt piss for about 10 hrs :-\
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I BELIEVE that a d7/d8/d100/m1 will pass (and show) levels indefinitely if ONLY the record button is pressed. I seem to recall that, unlike puttting the deck in record pause, this does not cause the deck to load the tape and spin the heads, which I also believe is the reason the deck eventually drops out of record pause.
Darrin
this I may have to try to see if it works....thanks!
nick;
i have an extra Canare AES>coax cable i made if you need one. it's brand new. i think it's a 2.5 or 3 footer.
marc
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thanks marc...but the show is on friday. +T for the offer though. That being said, it looks like it will sit in rec monitor mode indefinitely...this is a good thing!
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thanks marc...but the show is on friday. +T for the offer though. That being said, it looks like it will sit in rec monitor mode indefinitely...this is a good thing!
nick;
np.. hope the dual deck thingy works out.
marc
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One thing I just thought of, though...if you go from rec monitor to rec/pause, there might be a hiccup when the tape is loaded rather than passing the signal through the whole time. Unfortunately I don't have two decks to test with...
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One thing I just thought of, though...if you go from rec monitor to rec/pause, there might be a hiccup when the tape is loaded rather than passing the signal through the whole time. Unfortunately I don't have two decks to test with...
yeah, I thought of this myself....I have pretty much decided to put off a test run for me with a V3 (strictly to see what it sounds like) for another show...much easier to run my current rig since I can have 2 seperate outs going simultaneously through the Mod SBM1.
Thanks all for the input!
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would any local type stores carry an AES/coax cable? I assume i could get a coax splitter from rat shack if I wanted to try that....
a little iffy to split the coax signal. just need to find an xlr>coax female that you can plug a standard coax into. music store might be a better bet, I couldn't find the xlr>coax piece at ratshack.
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Get a patch bay and run signal from the coax V3 into it...that way there is always a deck rolling....
Barrett
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Get a patch bay and run signal from the coax V3 into it...that way there is always a deck rolling....
Barrett
when Moke let me borrow his V3, i ran 3 outputs simultaneously:
1. AES1 to Sony PCM-2600
2. AES2 > Canare imp. transformer > s/pdif > maudio 2496
3. S/PDIF > Sony PCM-R500
i made 2 master dat dubs and a direct transfer to my hdd.
after a few hours of usage, i found that the V3 jumped up on my "wishlist" of toys!!
marc