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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: charles on January 23, 2005, 07:11:27 PM
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Can anyone recomend some configs for omnis? I'm about to get some omni caps and I've never used them before. Thanks in advance.
Oh...and added to that....anyone here have much experience running omni Naks. I can't seem to find anything on the archive where they've been run except in 3 mic configs.
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the jecklin setup seems to provide some great results: http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=800.0
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i ran mine NOS last night and it sounded pretty darn good IMHO
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I've run split omni's and "critically spaced omni's - Healy" I like split omni's a lot, but the healy method wasn't all that great. The oade site has good information http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/faq-mic.html and below is a picture of the Healy Method. The top mics on the stand are akg 393's in DIN (mirth's mics) and the ones below are my SP c-4's in the healy method.
Matt
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/Mmw2004-11-13jpgs04.jpg)
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Great. Thanks for the help. +T to both of you.
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That healy thing doesn't look so hot. Maybe onstage for jazz or something. XY doesn't really work well with omni's either.
ORTF and Jecklin disk/baffle are where they shine in my experience! Have fun!
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I generally prefer jecklin and binaural... Not sure if this works well with Naks though.
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Charles read thru that huge discussion on "spaced vs. jecklin". Someone last summer did a dead show with Nak omnis(The Dead Cricket Pavilion Phoenix, AZ6/22/2004 Source: Nakamichi CP-2 Omnis (spaced 1.5 ft) > Nakamichi CM 100s > DMIC-20 48 > Coax >Sound Professionals Digital Signal Convertor > Optical > Nomad JB3). Check bt.etree to see if it gets reseeded. The book says 39 inches for A/B stereo, and his spacing was far less. I'm thinking of trying a Jdisc this summer with CM702's or CM1002's.
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at an oar / howie day show i tried these two: both were 10" spread
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both sounded neat. i can send a clip of the second one if anyone is interested.
aolim: outfldwolf
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In the Healey method...both mics are facing each other or away from each other? Or can it go both ways?
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In the Healey method...both mics are facing each other or away from each other? Or can it go both ways?
if that's the healy method, i'm sad. i thought i was being clever and trying something new. :)
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Check this link out.....
http://homepage.mac.com/gottajiboo40/PhotoAlbum11.html
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8.5"?
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That healy thing doesn't look so hot.
give it a shot sometime
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ive never heard it but guessing from looking...is it like binaural in that it sounds better through head phones than through speakers?
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I like it over speakers, as does Doug Oade... he and Mike Grace did some GD recordings in '85 using this method, they are labeled as critically spaced omni's. there's some more info on the oade board too...
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I've run split omni's and "critically spaced omni's - Healy" I like split omni's a lot, but the healy method wasn't all that great. The oade site has good information http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/faq-mic.html and below is a picture of the Healy Method. The top mics on the stand are akg 393's in DIN (mirth's mics) and the ones below are my SP c-4's in the healy method.
Matt
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/mmmatt/Mmw2004-11-13jpgs04.jpg)
I can post this recording as well as mirths so you can compare to 393's DIN. Mirths pull is far better than mine. There is no presence and we are about 25-30ft from the stage, about as high as the top of the stacks. Mirth's tape is far better... I may try it again someday onstage, but I dodn't think I'll try it again in the sweet spot. The image was nice, but the fidelity was lacking IMO. I ran a 250 hz low pass which didn't add to the quality, but It would have ben pretty boomy if I hadn't. I new mirth was going to get a good pull so I was playing with my new omni's.
I'm going to try split omni's at fareed hague band in Chicago on 2-2-05, and I will post that to the archive for sure. If someone want to hear the mmw comp I will post chunks of both on an ftp server. Let me know I can do it this weekend.
Matt
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id love to hear the comparison of the 393s and the healy
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Can some kind soul provide some links to spaced omni and healey omni shows. Would really love to hear them. Actually, any omni pattern.
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id love to hear the comparison of the 393s and the healy
ok... I'll get it up. I have to either up mirth's files from work (that's where I caught the torrent) or I'll bug mirth. One way or another I'll get it up this weekend. I'll do 1 track from each the first and second set. I'll post when it is up. If someone wants the whole thing I'll cut it up, but I haven't taken the time yet since mirth had such a great recording.
I'll post the spaced omni's by next weekend most likely.
Matt
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awesome +T
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Yeah...+T. Thanks.
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Can some kind soul provide some links to spaced omni and healey omni shows. Would really love to hear them. Actually, any omni pattern.
here's an oade thread... I'll look around for tapes on the archive
http://www.oade.com/cgi-bin/miva?Forum/viewthread.mv+thread=8145&message=8222
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Ok... Ive got a little server issue going!
As of now it is not up yet, but I posted a single song from mirths source, and the same from mine. I uploaded 2 versions of my source: 1 with post work on it to suit my ear better, and the other straight up. I think I remember Mirth saying he did some post but I can't remember. I linked him here so I'm sure he will tell us! So I may end up throwing another version of Mirths source up as well. I will post info when I get my server issue handled.
Matt
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I'm not a technical guy but the only time I ran my omni's (nak 300's) was this summer @ The Gorge for the Dead split 12' apart on the fence in the taper section & I think it sounds great. I tried it because an old friend of mine had a Phish show from Shoreline I believe where the same mics were split 30' & it sounds huge. The Healy thing just doesn't seem to make much sense but he obviously knows what he's doing/did. My 2 cents. Maybe just 1.
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Can some kind soul provide some links to spaced omni and healey omni shows. Would really love to hear them. Actually, any omni pattern.
Here are 2 split omni shows I taped from the summer. Im pretty pleased with both of them. I cant wait until it gets warm again so I can use them some more. Ive also run them split on stage spaced about 3-4' with excellent results.
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=17138
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=17850