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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: Crimson on January 30, 2005, 05:04:02 PM
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Any schoeps card-caps w/active heads users ever have any experience using something other than a kwonbar on a stand? It doesn't seem to be a very versatile device...(what if I had to/wanted to try running in XY, for example)...
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I have 3 bars: NOS (Kwon), DIN (Kwon), ORTF (Schoeps), and thinking about adding a fourth (DINA, Kwon).
If you don't wanna mess with different Kwon bars, pick up a Vark bar (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) to slot into a single shockmount and add a pair of SGC clips (http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/clamps-ccm.html). Not enough spacing to run NOS, but'll handle coincident / near-coincident techniques and allow you to adjust your angles to preference.
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there is also the schoeps stereo bar which can be used to run pretty much any config, but it's pricey. I love the KWON bars, makes things sooo easy when setting up with actives.
http://www.posthorn.com/S_ums20.html
If I ran more than the mk41's I would consider getting one.
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I have 3 bars: NOS (Kwon), DIN (Kwon), ORTF (Schoeps), and thinking about adding a fourth (DINA, Kwon).
If you don't wanna mess with different Kwon bars, pick up a Vark bar (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) to slot into a single shockmount and add a pair of SGC clips (http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/clamps-ccm.html). Not enough spacing to run NOS, but'll handle coincident / near-coincident techniques and allow you to adjust your angles to preference.
what Brian said... the Vark bar is very similiar to the schoeps bar but *much* cheaper. The schoeps bar does have the angles on it though....
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there is also the schoeps stereo bar which can be used to run pretty much any config, but it's pricey. I love the KWON bars, makes things sooo easy when setting up with actives.
http://www.posthorn.com/S_ums20.html
If I ran more than the mk41's I would consider getting one.
thats what id run if i had the actives :) that is if i had any money leftover :)
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I have 3 bars: NOS (Kwon), DIN (Kwon), ORTF (Schoeps), and thinking about adding a fourth (DINA, Kwon).
If you don't wanna mess with different Kwon bars, pick up a Vark bar (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) to slot into a single shockmount and add a pair of SGC clips (http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/clamps-ccm.html). Not enough spacing to run NOS, but'll handle coincident / near-coincident techniques and allow you to adjust your angles to preference.
exactly what I was looking for, thanks :)
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I've got the DIN kwonbar and the vark bar. I love both of them. the vark bar i use for A/B and XY. the vark bar fits nicely in the schoeps shockmount.
Hey Brain, when do you use NOS?
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nos is great for mk21's...
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Hey Brain, when do you use NOS?
Before I got my MK21s, I ran MK4s NOS in nice sounding venues when way up front. Now, if I'm that close and in a nice room, I run my MK21s NOS. Not enough nice sounding rooms around, though...but love the results when I'm able to run that setup.
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what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
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what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
I've run cards NOS FOB indoors and outdoors, both with good results - no hole in the middle. I can see how if you're waaaaay FOB and the stacks are split pretty wide you might get a hole in the middle, but...haven't had that happen to me, yet.
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I've run cards NOS FOB indoors and outdoors, both with good results - no hole in the middle. I can see how if you're waaaaay FOB and the stacks are split pretty wide you might get a hole in the middle, but...haven't had that happen to me, yet.
great, thanks! I actually bought 3 kwon bars a month or so back used (DIN, DINA and NOS) for when I get my MG active setup and was curious when I would use the NOS bar....but got a good deal and bought all three...now hopefully the JK setup will fit em, without a significant impact to angles/spacing....
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http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/ums20.html
Colored dots, multiple config's, angles, etc.
It comes with an adapter, so you can put it in an A20s.
:)
----Jason
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http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/ums20.html
Colored dots, multiple config's, angles, etc.
It comes with an adapter, so you can put it in an A20s.
:)
----Jason
but I dont have CMC bodies :)
fucking love the avatar, +t for Napoleon!
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but I dont have CMC bodies :)
what difference does that make?
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just use different clips
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honestly the vark bar option is the way to go.... much cheaper
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honestly the vark bar option is the way to go.... much cheaper
Especially if you're only going to use it for xy. That's all I do with it.
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what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Nick, I have a show with mk4's split 25'. It does'nt sound bad at all, imo.
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The UMS20 ($365) will allow you to run XY, MS, DIN, DINA, NOS. The M100C ($225) will allow you to run the same, minus NOS. But those solutions are unnecessarily expensive, IMO. You can support all of those coincident / near coincident config using:
$ 50 | Vark bar (XY, MS, DIN, DINA)
$ 80 | Kwonbar (NOS)
I left the A20S shockmount and SGC clips out of the equation because you need 'em regardless of which mount you utilize.
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what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Nick, I have a show with mk4's split 25'. It does'nt sound bad at all, imo.
from where in the venue kevin? is it way FOB, or a bit of ways back?
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what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Nick, I have a show with mk4's split 25'. It does'nt sound bad at all, imo.
from where in the venue kevin? is it way FOB, or a bit of ways back?
Mics were clamped to the lower balcony @ The Bowery Ballroom, in NYC. I have no idea how far that is from the stage.
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I know the bowery...definitely helps with the visual...thanks Kevin!
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from the picture, it appears this requires bodies, as there are clips which i don't think you'd want to put on your actives, but i imagine there is a workaround.
The workaround is that you just use them. :)
(http://www.cosmic-hippo.org/Graphics/ums_w_active.jpg)
I love my UMS and I'm glad I picked it up before the price hike, i spent under 300 for it. I think it's set to some sort of wacky pseudo-DIN config that I run from time to time, but then again I always get those angles mixed up. :)
-sam
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I love my ums20. I don't know how I ever lived w/o it