Any schoeps card-caps w/active heads users ever have any experience using something other than a kwonbar on a stand? It doesn't seem to be a very versatile device...(what if I had to/wanted to try running in XY, for example)...
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I have 3 bars: NOS (Kwon), DIN (Kwon), ORTF (Schoeps), and thinking about adding a fourth (DINA, Kwon).
If you don't wanna mess with different Kwon bars, pick up a Vark bar (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) to slot into a single shockmount and add a pair of SGC clips (http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/clamps-ccm.html). Not enough spacing to run NOS, but'll handle coincident / near-coincident techniques and allow you to adjust your angles to preference.
there is also the schoeps stereo bar which can be used to run pretty much any config, but it's pricey. I love the KWON bars, makes things sooo easy when setting up with actives.
http://www.posthorn.com/S_ums20.html
If I ran more than the mk41's I would consider getting one.
Quote from: Brian Skalinder on January 30, 2005, 05:58:11 PM
I have 3 bars: NOS (Kwon), DIN (Kwon), ORTF (Schoeps), and thinking about adding a fourth (DINA, Kwon).
If you don't wanna mess with different Kwon bars, pick up a Vark bar (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) to slot into a single shockmount and add a pair of SGC clips (http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/clamps-ccm.html). Not enough spacing to run NOS, but'll handle coincident / near-coincident techniques and allow you to adjust your angles to preference.
what Brian said... the Vark bar is very similiar to the schoeps bar but *much* cheaper. The schoeps bar does have the angles on it though....
Quote from: creekfreak on January 30, 2005, 08:45:01 PM
there is also the schoeps stereo bar which can be used to run pretty much any config, but it's pricey. I love the KWON bars, makes things sooo easy when setting up with actives.
http://www.posthorn.com/S_ums20.html
If I ran more than the mk41's I would consider getting one.
thats what id run if i had the actives :) that is if i had any money leftover :)
Quote from: Brian Skalinder on January 30, 2005, 05:58:11 PM
I have 3 bars: NOS (Kwon), DIN (Kwon), ORTF (Schoeps), and thinking about adding a fourth (DINA, Kwon).
If you don't wanna mess with different Kwon bars, pick up a Vark bar (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) to slot into a single shockmount and add a pair of SGC clips (http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/clamps-ccm.html). Not enough spacing to run NOS, but'll handle coincident / near-coincident techniques and allow you to adjust your angles to preference.
exactly what I was looking for, thanks :)
I've got the DIN kwonbar and the vark bar. I love both of them. the vark bar i use for A/B and XY. the vark bar fits nicely in the schoeps shockmount.
Hey Brain, when do you use NOS?
nos is great for mk21's...
Quote from: Rick on January 31, 2005, 07:47:57 PMHey Brain, when do you use NOS?
Before I got my MK21s, I ran MK4s NOS in nice sounding venues when way up front. Now, if I'm that close and in a nice room, I run my MK21s NOS. Not enough nice sounding rooms around, though...but love the results when I'm able to run that setup.
what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Quote from: nickgregory on January 31, 2005, 10:11:33 PM
what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
I've run cards NOS FOB indoors and outdoors, both with good results - no hole in the middle. I can see how if you're waaaaay FOB and the stacks are split pretty wide you might get a hole in the middle, but...haven't had that happen to me, yet.
Quote from: Brian Skalinder on January 31, 2005, 10:15:34 PM
I've run cards NOS FOB indoors and outdoors, both with good results - no hole in the middle. I can see how if you're waaaaay FOB and the stacks are split pretty wide you might get a hole in the middle, but...haven't had that happen to me, yet.
great, thanks! I actually bought 3 kwon bars a month or so back used (DIN, DINA and NOS) for when I get my MG active setup and was curious when I would use the NOS bar....but got a good deal and bought all three...now hopefully the JK setup will fit em, without a significant impact to angles/spacing....
http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/ums20.html
Colored dots, multiple config's, angles, etc.
It comes with an adapter, so you can put it in an A20s.
:)
----Jason
Quote from: sideshowbob on February 01, 2005, 02:13:51 AM
http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/ums20.html
Colored dots, multiple config's, angles, etc.
It comes with an adapter, so you can put it in an A20s.
:)
----Jason
but I dont have CMC bodies :)
fucking love the avatar, +t for Napoleon!
Quote from: crimson on February 01, 2005, 09:19:00 AM
but I dont have CMC bodies :)
what difference does that make?
just use different clips
honestly the vark bar option is the way to go.... much cheaper
Quote from: Tim on February 01, 2005, 01:18:08 PM
honestly the vark bar option is the way to go.... much cheaper
Especially if you're only going to use it for xy. That's all I do with it.
Quote from: nickgregory on January 31, 2005, 10:11:33 PM
what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Nick, I have a show with mk4's split 25'. It does'nt sound bad at all, imo.
The UMS20 ($365) will allow you to run XY, MS, DIN, DINA, NOS. The M100C ($225) will allow you to run the same, minus NOS. But those solutions are unnecessarily expensive, IMO. You can support all of those coincident / near coincident config using:
$ 50 | Vark bar (XY, MS, DIN, DINA)
$ 80 | Kwonbar (NOS)
I left the A20S shockmount and SGC clips out of the equation because you need 'em regardless of which mount you utilize.
Quote from: Mic D on February 01, 2005, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: nickgregory on January 31, 2005, 10:11:33 PM
what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Nick, I have a show with mk4's split 25'. It does'nt sound bad at all, imo.
from where in the venue kevin? is it way FOB, or a bit of ways back?
Quote from: nickgregory on February 01, 2005, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: Mic D on February 01, 2005, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: nickgregory on January 31, 2005, 10:11:33 PM
what about running cards outside NOS? especially if you are way FOB...does that leave a hole in the middle?
Nick, I have a show with mk4's split 25'. It does'nt sound bad at all, imo.
from where in the venue kevin? is it way FOB, or a bit of ways back?
Mics were clamped to the lower balcony @ The Bowery Ballroom, in NYC. I have no idea how far that is from the stage.
I know the bowery...definitely helps with the visual...thanks Kevin!
Quote from: Sixto Lezcano on February 01, 2005, 01:15:38 PM
from the picture, it appears this requires bodies, as there are clips which i don't think you'd want to put on your actives, but i imagine there is a workaround.
The workaround is that you just use them. :)
(http://www.cosmic-hippo.org/Graphics/ums_w_active.jpg)
I love my UMS and I'm glad I picked it up before the price hike, i spent under 300 for it. I think it's set to some sort of wacky pseudo-DIN config that I run from time to time, but then again I always get those angles mixed up. :)
-sam
I love my ums20. I don't know how I ever lived w/o it