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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: Sanjay on February 10, 2005, 08:54:15 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41466&item=3781177226&rd=1
not much info but a card, omni and figure 8 pattern. Interesting to see if these were any good, but I absolutly dislike LD mics so I wouldn't consider it.
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but I absolutly dislike LD mics
why is that?
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but I absolutly dislike LD mics
why is that?
i like the sound, but i hate carrying alot of stuff with me, I am a minimalist i suppose. Maybe thats not liking it for all the wrong reasons as it seems like the tl's are great, but just not my style. I do promise though in the next few years I will at least try a pair.
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just curious, and I agree with you to some extent. I know when I sold the u89s and decided against the Soundfield a big reason was that I was sick of carrying a big bag.
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its so nice to have a very small camera bag, its a canon one that measures about 1 foot by 6 inches by 6 inches deep and carry my mics, mp-2, jb3, diy vert, sabra mounts, and 8ft of cable all in it. And then my bogen 3373 with me. Of course I don't have an a/d but i have stealthed that rig before and clamped onto a rail.
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yep, I was switching back to an active setup, fit it all into a mountainsmith bag...
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yep, I was switching back to an active setup, fit it all into a mountainsmith bag...
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which active system do you currently run?
+T backatya
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I don't, I backed out of the game entirely for awhile to concentrate on my home stereo
if I was to run an active setup it would be the schoeps
I ran the neumann's for a little while a few years ago.
my first mics were actually 391's :)
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I don't, I backed out of the game entirely for awhile to concentrate on my home stereo
Heh, heh. Seems like awhile ago you planned on getting out of the taping game to concentrate on your studies and the bar. Good to see you've got your priorities straightened out. :P
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I focused my money elsewhere, but believe me my time is focused on school right now... I'm busting my ass everyday!
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but believe me my time if focused on school right now... I'm busting my ass everyday!
Obviously. As evidenced by your 95+ posts in the last < 3 days. :P
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bunch of wise guys here eh? :flipa:
should I call you from my legal aid clients house?
;)
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but believe me my time if focused on school right now... I'm busting my ass everyday!
Obviously. As evidenced by your 95+ posts in the last < 3 days. :P
lol! nice work Skalinder
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just curious, and I agree with you to some extent. I know when I sold the u89s and decided against the Soundfield a big reason was that I was sick of carrying a big bag.
pansy :P
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seriously guys...The guy had a question...I noticed these mics pop up in some music mags a few months ago. I did some searching to find out for myself a little more...merely based on spec. these mics exibit a loud self noise 17 db which will exhibit itself as hiss in quiet passages now this is not as loud as say 22 db of a earthworks mic but loud non the less. they also top out around 125 db spl. this is on the low side of things. You want a mic with around atleast 130 perferrably 135 db spl or more. With real loud passages hitting the mic to low of an spl will overload the mic. The company is skechy on the rest of the specs. such as freq. charts., dynamic range ect. I believe the capsules are mad in china. which means they come from one of litterally five factories that rebrands the caps for MXL, ADK, SP, MCA, JOE MEEK and some I can't think of at the moment. I am always leary when a company does not give full disclosure about their product, its like what are you hiding!(call me an alarmist). But to contradict myself it all comes down to sound, how does it sound , do you like the way it sounds......this I can't answer because I haven't heard one yet....but in researching mics prior to buying my MBHO's( which are not cheap) I learned alot from reviewing specs such as, curves, patterns, dynamic range, spl ect. here is the site to look for youself.
http://rudemics.com/cart.asp?action=detail&SuperCat=1&iID=689
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seriously guys...The guy had a question...
well then thank fucking god you showed up
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Your welcome! :D
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seriously guys...The guy had a question...
well then thank fucking god you showed up
tim. i just snarfed my milk. holy crap. haven't done that all out since high school. + f'ing T
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Discuss
I think if you're going to pick mics not based on sound but on written information, you'd learn a lot more from polar diagrams at various frequencies combined with the frequency response graph than you would from the above info. ymmv.
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Well o-dog. After I wrote my comments about the Rude mic.....I thought about reposting and backing off a bit, but it didn't seem worth it since the following posts snarfed at what I said.......but hey I guess you'll have that and I didn't take it personally..I was just trying to give the origanl post some form of info. But Getting back to you question and the post talking about the one spec.......your right it is a bit one sided on a particular spec........But as I said I didn't hear the Rude mic so I should reserve some judgement. After all its how something sounds to a person that matters. What might sound great to me may sound like shit to someone else. I stand corrected...on that.....But personally, I do Look at self noise as one of the factors in choosing a mic. But then again in a live recording situation such as concert taping your not going to hear that noise because of other factors. Acoustics have a lot to play in how a recoding sounds, location of the mics, who's mixing and from where, so on so on so on.... My taste in mics tend toward the viena style bright sounding mics like the AKG and MBHO's of the world. As for your examples you did choose some very good mics....I am familar with many of the mic specs you chose
( Yes I am a GEEK).....I can only give my opinion on what I think the mics you chose sound like.......In example 1 your talking about the Studio project C3 mic. Althought I have not heard that particular mic I believe that the capsules in that mic are used in their LSD2 stereo mic. Now I like the sound of this mic, its on the bright side, atleast in the recording or two I have heard, I know I contradict myself because this mic has a self noise of 18db, which to me is high. I wouldn't call it stellar but a good strater mic. In example 2 you picked a neumman U87. This is a classic.....This mic is probably the most used studio mic in history. Since its release it has been used on almost every vocal track defining the sixties and seventies and up to the present. However, I don't like this mic in a concert recording setting. It tends to be too dark for my taste and the promimity affect is huge when used at a distant with this mic. I prefer the U89 but only up close, FOB or stage lip. I know they are similar but there is just something about the U87 I don't like. In example 3 your talking about the DPA4023, again a good mic and a lot of people go to this mic for concert recording. Again I am not crazy about this mic. It is a very flat liniar mic. Agian prone to a lot of proximity affect. I often find myself sweetin the high end when I come across this mic. on a recording. But a lot of people like this mic. In example 4 your talking about the ADKtl's. I remember when ADK came out and no one knew about them. This was a mic I almost bought, but since I hadn't heard one and wasn't will to be a ginnypig I passed. But this mic has hit big in the taping community, I don't know That I would call it a AKG killer but it sound good for the most part on the recordings I have heard. As for spec 5 I have never heard this mic but I know that its a Blue Dragon fly.....I like the spec on this mic and Have been dying to hear a pair but its not one that I have come across in the taping circles. I find it would be hard to use outside due to "what the hell kind of wind screeen can you put on this thing factor", but I am curious.
As for what Todd R stated diagrams are a big help as well. I find myslef looking a lot for a bump in the high end of the frequency response curve to counter the proximity affect most cardiods have. A bump of 3 to 6 db around 9k is what my ears like the most, but again in the type of recording I do (concerts) there are a lot of factors as stated above. Technique also has something to do with how a mic will sound in a recording, AB, XY, DIN, ORTF, NOS.......
SO I guess YOu nailed me, using one spec (noise)is not always a good idea in choosing a mic, it just happens to be a starting point for me, followed by frequency response, dynamic range and SPL.....But the best way to choose a mic is to patch, get the different flavors out there and there are a lot.........But I am still leary of a company that doesn't make full disclosure on specs.........Maybe a Rude sounds great, maybe not, but they haven't giving me enough information to explore it further and drop cash on it so I will let someone else do it and wait...... again the above is merely my opinion agree if you want and If you don't thats cool too........Taping is fun for me and thats why I do it...........when its no longer fun I'll stop and do something else............expand if you want 8)
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OH Duh, I forgot to pic a mic, Just from your list I gues the ADK tl's .................But I would rather a MBHO or AKG!
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Nah, I wasn't offended......When I went looking for mics, believe me I went looking for mics. I must of downloaded every spec sheet I could find, studied them, priced them out, before I bought a pair. the whole process took about a year....I was going to drop about 3.5k on recording gear I wanted to know what I was buying.. It sounds a little rediculous to take a year to shop around, but it was worth it....I learned a lot, and came out with a rig I am very happy with..... (MBHO648/Ka200>minime>M1) Money is a huge issue when it comes to buying mics..and gear. Where I have become concerned is the flooding of the market with the chinees mics. A lot of people don't realize that there are about five factories that rebrand their capsules for companies. And there are about 5 or 6 mic companies that I know of that all use the same chineese stock but claim to have a great new mic to offer.....only the cosmetics are different.....its all very deceptive.........................the only chineese companies that don't rebrand are SEE and 797 Audio/ studio project but the rest ugh...........its crazy...................But hey if you like the mic, you like it and thats all that matters...........I just want people to be more informed, thats all. If your going to spend money on something dig as deep as you can to look for the info you want.
Don't take any of this as a knock....its not, I have heard some good recordings with the chineese mics, I just don't like all the deception.................