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Title: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 03, 2005, 08:42:43 PM
last night I was recording with a D8 (line-in) and during the set I accidentally switched the frequency from 44.1 to 32.  When I listen to it now on the D8, it plays fast and doesn't sound right.  Is there anything I can do when I transfer to make it sound alright?  I don't really mind it being 32, just want it to sound smooth.
thanx
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: F.O.Bean on April 03, 2005, 08:50:06 PM
that sux schwill :(

tape is your friend 8)
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Brian Skalinder on April 04, 2005, 03:44:22 PM
Transfer to the PC at 44.1 and then simply change the sample rate in the WAV header.  Note that this is NOT resampling, a fairly long process, you're simply changing the WAV header.
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 04, 2005, 03:54:42 PM
when I played it thru the DA-20, the recording had static and other weird noises.  hopefully, this works...
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Brian Skalinder on April 04, 2005, 04:00:09 PM
when I played it thru the DA-20, the recording had static and other weird noises. hopefully, this works...

Ewwww...didn't realize that.  I wonder if your D8s' heads are going?  Definitely try playing back on the D8 and let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: greenone on April 04, 2005, 04:07:41 PM
Yeah, I'd play back on the D8. Something in the back of my mind tells me that LP on the D8 and LP on the DA-20 make weird stuff happen.
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 04, 2005, 06:50:25 PM
happens on the D8, too.  I hit the switch accidently while recording so it had to switch gears.  I don't know how the D8 is suppose to handle switching from 44.1 to 32, but the noise I am hearing sounds like it is on the tape.

I wanted to see if there was a fix for it because it's a good recording of a great band, but the more I think about it, I don't think it can be saved.  I suspect the D8 just didn't like the change in frequency, or it doesn't like to write in 32

fwiw, the lineage is at853 > mp-2 > D8

thanx again
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: macdaddy on April 04, 2005, 08:34:18 PM
bummer, sean. fwiw - that is why i removed the swithes on my sbm1...

when i was trying my cf recorder on the field for the first time, i recorded at 44.1 kHz, yet the sbm1 was set to 48. the wav was 44.1 and it didnt sound funny or slow at all... i just left it as 44.1 wav. should i have done something different in the transfer stage..?
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: zhianosatch on April 05, 2005, 11:33:07 AM
i'll get on the transfer this afternoon.

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to say the least. i would listen to that tape constantly. maybe after we exhaust all our options we can send the tape to bri! ;)
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Bri on April 05, 2005, 09:35:25 PM
does the player switch gears when you play it back?
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: zhianosatch on April 05, 2005, 09:49:54 PM
does the player switch gears when you play it back?

should i try it on a d8 or da-20 first?
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: F.O.Bean on April 05, 2005, 10:26:46 PM
prolly the d-8 since it was recorded in that
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: macdaddy on April 05, 2005, 10:29:32 PM
prolly the d-8 since it was recorded in that

ditto.

for playback, use the machine that you used for recording...
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: zhianosatch on April 06, 2005, 04:34:43 AM
i think i'll use both eventually... if necessary. time to sleep now - i'll do it tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: relaxing on April 12, 2005, 11:41:56 AM
bummer, sean. fwiw - that is why i removed the swithes on my sbm1...

when i was trying my cf recorder on the field for the first time, i recorded at 44.1 kHz, yet the sbm1 was set to 48. the wav was 44.1 and it didnt sound funny or slow at all... i just left it as 44.1 wav. should i have done something different in the transfer stage..?

There won't be too a huge difference in speed or pitch going 44.1 to 48.  I'm a musician and I just barely notice when I come across recordings like this. (If I know the music well  enough I usually pick it out right away, but still, it's subtle.) 

Or maybe the recorder was smart enough to fix things...
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: jhirte on April 28, 2005, 04:47:39 PM
ack!

I can say I've also done this ONCE (I've since taped the selector to 48Khz on my D8).

With mine, it was weird, there was a drop out for like <1sec, then it continued recording. The problem only really became a big issue when transferring to PC (using Cool Edit Pro and an ECHO MIA MIDI card) Once the tape hit the 32Khz poiint, I got nothing but static on the recording. Solution: Once it hit the 32Khz part on tape, I stopped recording on PC, played 1 sec of tape so the card knew what freq it was, then started recording again. Worked out great.
Only other problem, was the fact I was using Sony DG60P's at the time (this was the last show I ran them actually!) so the tape had a bunch of drop outs (well, not a ton, but enough to irritate me) and also some digi noise here and there... (no probs after switching to Maxell HS4's, so it wasn't the deck).

anyway, hope this helps.
Title: Re: hitting the frequency switch while recording
Post by: Sean Gallemore on April 28, 2005, 10:58:28 PM
thanx for the replies, guys

armen and I are pretty convinced that the noises are on the tape and there's nothing we can do about it.  Still wanna transfer it because it sounds so bad ass