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Title: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: John R on April 18, 2005, 09:56:40 AM
even sending s/pdif.  the d8 would not come out of pause even though it didn't say 'copy prohibit'.  both decks could get levels.

any ideas?  the V3 will soon be going to boulder for optical.
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: hexyjones on April 18, 2005, 10:00:57 AM
You shouldnt use Pause with DAT decks...
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: keepongoin on April 18, 2005, 10:12:08 AM
You shouldnt use Pause with DAT decks...

last time I checked, the way to get a sony deck going was "pause-record-pause."
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: hexyjones on April 18, 2005, 10:19:34 AM
Record>Play is the recommended start up...no need for Pause...
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: John R on April 18, 2005, 10:48:02 AM
with or without the operational concerns of how to start a sony dat, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with my question above.

the wierd thing is that the m1 was taking aes most of the day.


regarding the start up procedure of a sony dat, pause>record places the deck in ready position to release pause without any delay in recording, whereas record>play initiates tape into the rollers, head, etc, potentially causing some users to lose the beginning of the event.  taken from first hand experience

please refer to page 10, steps 5 & 6 of the d8 manual for sony authorised start-up procedure.
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: marc0789 on April 18, 2005, 02:54:04 PM
You shouldnt use Pause with DAT decks...

that would be an unhelpful, unsolicited comment.

not to mention that I've never had a problem doing this.
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: hexyjones on April 18, 2005, 02:56:55 PM
with or without the operational concerns of how to start a sony dat, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with my question above.

the wierd thing is that the m1 was taking aes most of the day.


regarding the start up procedure of a sony dat, pause>record places the deck in ready position to release pause without any delay in recording, whereas record>play initiates tape into the rollers, head, etc, potentially causing some users to lose the beginning of the event.  taken from first hand experience

please refer to page 10, steps 5 & 6 of the d8 manual for sony authorised start-up procedure.

It also is hell on the heads, and the tape as it sits there and spins over and over on the same spot in the tape...

YMMV...I always avoided "Pause"...

Is it possible the little record-prevention tab on the tape was slid back...?
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: hexyjones on April 18, 2005, 02:58:30 PM
You shouldnt use Pause with DAT decks...

that would be an unhelpful, unsolicited comment.

not to mention that I've never had a problem doing this.

Really - It would be helpful to know what the deck would do when starting this way...why do think it wouldnt?

Its called "experimenting"...
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: Tim on April 18, 2005, 03:14:23 PM


that would be an unhelpful, unsolicited comment.


everyone has a talent I guess, gotta play to your strengths :P
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: John R on April 18, 2005, 03:16:33 PM
with or without the operational concerns of how to start a sony dat, i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with my question above.

the wierd thing is that the m1 was taking aes most of the day.


regarding the start up procedure of a sony dat, pause>record places the deck in ready position to release pause without any delay in recording, whereas record>play initiates tape into the rollers, head, etc, potentially causing some users to lose the beginning of the event.  taken from first hand experience

please refer to page 10, steps 5 & 6 of the d8 manual for sony authorised start-up procedure.

It also is hell on the heads, and the tape as it sits there and spins over and over on the same spot in the tape...

YMMV...I always avoided "Pause"...

Is it possible the little record-prevention tab on the tape was slid back...?

i agree, if someone is letting their deck sit in pause repeatedly until it times out.  i personally don't know anyone who does this.  but, for initial start-up, everyone i know practice's pause>rec>pause, for both sony and tascam.

no protect tabs were in use.
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: hexyjones on April 18, 2005, 03:18:32 PM


that would be an unhelpful, unsolicited comment.


everyone has a talent I guess, gotta play to your strengths :P

How is it "unsolicited" - this is a freaking forum - he asked a question - he solicitated...he asked - QUOTE:  "any ideas?"

His DAT deck wont come out of Pause/Rec - Well - Dont use Pause!!! - whats so crazy about that?

At least give it a shot and see what the deck says or does...
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: John R on April 18, 2005, 03:19:12 PM
everyone has a talent I guess, gotta play to your strengths :P

and yours is?  posting? ::)
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: John R on April 18, 2005, 03:24:49 PM


that would be an unhelpful, unsolicited comment.


everyone has a talent I guess, gotta play to your strengths :P

How is it "unsolicited" - this is a freaking forum - he asked a question - he solicitated...he asked - QUOTE:  "any ideas?"

His DAT deck wont come out of Pause/Rec - Well - Dont use Pause!!! - whats so crazy about that?

At least give it a shot and see what the deck says or does...

not my deck, corkscrew, patcher's decks.  i still have a trashcan, and only use it for archival, and it definitely take signal from a V3.  i'm more worried about the ability to give patchers signal than the other issues this thread has sprouted, other than tim's posting strengths :P  time to call jamie.  i'll report back.
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: F.O.Bean on April 18, 2005, 05:41:19 PM
good luck john, def sounds WEIRD :(
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: stober on April 18, 2005, 06:57:34 PM
Record>Play is the recommended start up...no need for Pause...
Not for a d-8 or a tascam da-p1.It's pause-record-pause.The record play only works with the sony m-1 and d-100.Asfar as the heads go you definatly don't want to leave your deck paused for along period of time.That will definatly cause your heads to wear out faster.
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: Tim on April 18, 2005, 06:58:32 PM
try record->pause->pause with the d8's...
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: Jammin72 on April 18, 2005, 07:09:17 PM
even sending s/pdif.  the d8 would not come out of pause even though it didn't say 'copy prohibit'.  both decks could get levels.

any ideas?  the V3 will soon be going to boulder for optical.


Just to clarify, the M1 is giving you a 'copy prohibit' message and the D8 simply won't come out of pause...

This is using the same 7-Pin?

Things that I have seen cause this...

Incompatible clocks...
doesn't seem to be the case since both decks are  behaving strangely.

Bad ground in the digi-cable...
You can check that one.

Deecks being sent incompatible signal...
I know you checked the Sample Rate, Bit Depth, Etc...

Have you tried connecting the V3 to say the digital input on a Receiver... maybe the V3 needs more than the optical add on!?

The Sony walkman's also used that 7-Pin port for an optional remote, they can interpret bad signal as control code and lock up on you.

Get Mike to give the V3 a once over and test the digi cable!

Good Luck!
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: hexyjones on April 18, 2005, 07:16:25 PM
Record>Play is the recommended start up...no need for Pause...
Not for a d-8 or a tascam da-p1.It's pause-record-pause.The record play only works with the sony m-1 and d-100.Asfar as the heads go you definatly don't want to leave your deck paused for along period of time.That will definatly cause your heads to wear out faster.

Hmm - I ran a D7 for 11 years - and never used pause...

Always started with Rec/Play...
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: Tim on April 18, 2005, 07:36:35 PM
I shift my truck quite often without using the clutch.

lmao
Title: Re: V3>D8/M1 Copy Prohibit with levels
Post by: John R on April 18, 2005, 11:11:20 PM
seperate decks with seperate 7 pin's.  jamie's gonna check it out when it goes in for it's optimod