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Title: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 07:13:58 AM: capabilities than the m930 that they have just put out, i can have a pair free. somehow i dont think there is anything that touches it. but hell, if there is, itd be nice to have a free pair,!

Ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: MattD on April 20, 2005, 09:39:50 AM: Match or beat?

M930: 7 dB-A noise, 142 max SPL
RODE NT2-A: 7 dB-A noise, 147 max SPL
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 09:47:10 AM: i called them on that, they specified as is, straight up, no pads or anything.Thanks Matt+T

the rode has a variable pad selector.Thanks though, shit, im tryin!!they actually tested this mic i believe.

Ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: MattD on April 20, 2005, 09:49:38 AM: The rode does have a pad selector, but I believe the 147 is with no pad. The pad is only a 10 dB pad and max SPL is 157 with the pad. However, they can only match the self-noise level of 7 dB-A, not beat it. There are mics with lower self-noise, but yet to see one that breaks the MG's max SPL.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 09:55:37 AM: ahh i see!!thanks, beleve me, ima call em , and ask!+T bud.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Craig T on April 20, 2005, 10:05:08 AM: Senn mkh800? I think it has 6 db noise, not sure of max spl.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: MattD on April 20, 2005, 10:27:25 AM: Sennheiser lists that at 10 dB-A. I don't see the max SPL on their site either, though. Still not beating the MG, so I won't dig deeper.

Ray, find out what nature and other quiet sound recordists use. That should help some, even if it's IDing a brand, you can always go through the company's website and get their basic specs.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 10:33:18 AM: good idea, matt. Thanks a lot bud.
This is fun!+T in 12
Ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl
Post by: keepongoin on April 20, 2005, 12:43:00 PM: i was going to say the Esoteric Audio Research, but it appears to have an Equivalent self noise of 11dB SPL.

still a better mic than the MGs, though... and a lot more expensive.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 12:55:40 PM: Quote from: keepongoin' on April 20, 2005, 12:43:00 PM
i was going to say the Esoteric Audio Research, but it appears to have an Equivalent self noise of 11dB SPL.

still a better mic than the MGs, though... and a lot more expensive.

i havent heard them, but I know of all the mics here that are typically used, the mgs sounded the best to my ears ... . Seperate subject: Ive been looking all day to attempt to find in writing numbers that beat the ones that the mg m930 cardoid has listed in terms of spl threshold, and self noise.I havent found any yet, but if anyone has suggestions, please help.
Ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl
Post by: keepongoin on April 20, 2005, 12:58:32 PM: check out this album for an example of how those mics sound:

Album Name: A Meeting By the River
Musicians: Ry Cooder & V.M. Bhatt
Recording Label: Water Lily Acoustics - 1993

(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5df08b3127cce9f3662c3430000000025108AbNXLhszZt5)
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 01:01:01 PM: will do bud. Thanks a bunch.

+T ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 01:32:51 PM: blah blah blah ray you bitch
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 20, 2005, 02:07:58 PM: always. ;) +T

I admit I gush over this hobby and over new stuff that i find. Music and anything music related turns me into a fucking dork. i admit it. its just nice after the past 3 years to be able to do this stuff. i get carried away from time to time, borderline neurotic.
;)
thanks
ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: F.O.Bean on April 20, 2005, 05:02:03 PM: ray, before i sunk the ching into buying something i never ran, id test them out first YMMV
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: OOK on April 20, 2005, 08:12:33 PM: Just so you know you aren't going to find a mic that beats those specs....for now anyway.........I know my mics and to find a mic that quiet is possible but to hit that high on an spl ..................it aint gonna happen ....yet......Right now the quitest mic on the planet that I know of is the Rode NT-1A it has a self noise spec of 5db thats lower than the 7db of geffel but its SPL is only 137 not as high as the geffels 142..... some other contenders close but not close enough:
The blue Baby Bottle has a self noise of 5.5 but an SPL of 133
The Neumann TLM103 has a self noise 7 db with a SPL 138
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 21, 2005, 04:18:26 AM: Quote from: Bean on April 20, 2005, 05:02:03 PM
ray, before i sunk the ching into buying something i never ran, id test them out first YMMV

bean, im not buyin those. im just testing them. The guy told me if i could beat the numbers hed give me a freebie. i am trying them out.

ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 21, 2005, 04:21:09 AM: Quote from: Moke on April 20, 2005, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: keepongoin' on April 20, 2005, 12:58:32 PM
check out this album for an example of how those mics sound:

Album Name: A Meeting By the River
Musicians: Ry Cooder & V.M. Bhatt
Recording Label: Water Lily Acoustics - 1993

(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5df08b3127cce9f3662c3430000000025108AbNXLhszZt5)

this is absolutely the shit!! custom, hand built rectangular capsule figure eights. Whether or not it's numbers beat the hallowed numbers of geffel, these mics will make anything put to the table by Geffel seem like my first sony, period.

they do look amazing. they have an amazing price too. the story behind them was very interesting.
Thanks for the info man.+T Ray
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: jnorman34 on April 21, 2005, 02:24:03 PM: DPA 4041-S = 7dB(A) re: 20mPa, 144dB SPL
do i win the mics?
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: MattD on April 21, 2005, 02:29:56 PM: Quote from: jnorman34 on April 21, 2005, 02:24:03 PM
DPA 4041-S = 7dB(A) re: 20mPa, 144dB SPL
do i win the mics?

Nope, b/c I already beat you with the RODE NT-2 on page 1 :)
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 21, 2005, 05:00:56 PM: Quote from: MattD on April 21, 2005, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: jnorman34 on April 21, 2005, 02:24:03 PM
DPA 4041-S = 7dB(A) re: 20mPa, 144dB SPL
do i win the mics?

Nope, b/c I already beat you with the RODE NT-2 on page 1 :)

Still waitin to hear back from Dirk on the rode.
hes apparently going to do some tests with it. He tested one rode last week, but a different one. the nt-2 hes got yesterday I think and will let me know soon as he finishes. says a lot of the mic manufacturers fudge the numbers, but thats not surprising. theyve probably done it themselves.
thats commerce for ya.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: ghellquist on April 21, 2005, 05:18:20 PM: 1) anytime you find a room with less than 10dBA acoustic noise in it, please tell me.

2) remember that to get down to 7dB you tweak a lot of things. I believe the tweaking does not make the sound better. So you get less noise, worse sound.

Who cares really? I mean most of my mics are around 20dBA and I have very little problem with noise.

G.
Title: Re: Ok mg told me that if i could find a mic with less self noise and better spl..
Post by: Ray76 on April 21, 2005, 05:26:11 PM: Quote from: ghellquist on April 21, 2005, 05:18:20 PM
1) anytime you find a room with less than 10dBA acoustic noise in it, please tell me.

2) remember that to get down to 7dB you tweak a lot of things. I believe the tweaking does not make the sound better. So you get less noise, worse sound.

Who cares really? I mean most of my mics are around 20dBA and I have very little problem with noise.

G.

I dont care particularly, but the thought of a new mg mic is appealing. thats why im looking for one that will beat it. im learning a lot in the process. its doin me good.