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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: cascademedia on May 23, 2005, 04:56:44 PM
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just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:
- First 1000 Shipping at the end of June for delivery in early July
- MAP Price (street) will be $399
- It will accomodate any size CF Card so 2 GB file size should not be an issue
We are at the top of their list for first orders and I expect to get a significant amount of these as soon as they ship which should fill the current wait list and more. I do not think this will be like Sound Devices where we get a few at a time.
- Frank
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awesome;D
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yes! :) :) :)
i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.
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yes! :) :) :)
i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.
that's the major drawback at this point but prices are dropping... recording 24/48 until prices fall is a possible way to save money
I know somewhere is a chart with 24 bit audio and the amount of GB's needed at given sample rates for a given period of time but I can't seem to find it, anyone know where that is?
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sweet, look forward to seeing this one
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yes! :) :) :)
i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.
that's the major drawback at this point but prices are dropping... recording 24/48 until prices fall is a possible way to save money
I know somewhere is a chart with 24 bit audio and the amount of GB's needed at given sample rates for a given period of time but I can't seem to find it, anyone know where that is?
24/48 = approx 1 GB per hour
24/96 = approx 2 GB per hour
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you can score 2GB microdrives for around $100-$125...and they keep falling in price...just need to know where to look, really not too bad when you look at how much 2GB of say flash media would cost
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yes! :) :) :)
i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.
that's the major drawback at this point but prices are dropping... recording 24/48 until prices fall is a possible way to save money
I know somewhere is a chart with 24 bit audio and the amount of GB's needed at given sample rates for a given period of time but I can't seem to find it, anyone know where that is?
24/48 = approx 1 GB per hour
24/96 = approx 2 GB per hour
thank you Craig, much appreciated!
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yes! :) :) :)
i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.
that's the major drawback at this point but prices are dropping... recording 24/48 until prices fall is a possible way to save money
I know somewhere is a chart with 24 bit audio and the amount of GB's needed at given sample rates for a given period of time but I can't seem to find it, anyone know where that is?
24/48 = approx 1 GB per hour
24/96 = approx 2 GB per hour
From the archive, by Bri...
Want to know what size your 16-bit or 24-bit files will be on hard drive at different sample rates? Here you go...
Bit-Depth Sample Rate (in kHz) MB Per Track-Minute
16 44.1 5
16 48 5.5
24 44.1 7.6
24 48 8.25
24 96 16.5
24 192 33
A typical CD-R can hold just over 21 track minutes of 24/96 audio...
i may have to buy one of these suckers and a few 2 or 4 GB flash drives...
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+T to you too :)
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took me a couple minutes of searching, but it was right at the bottom of the page in there.
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ouch:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820171091
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ouch:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820171091
yeah, that is what I am talking about. not terribly cost effective right now, but maybe in a year that card will be 200 bucks?
things have changed so much with computers since I bought my first one (486 66mhz with 16 megs of ran and a 2x CD-ROM) 11.5 years ago... and memory of all types is just getting cheaper and cheaper.
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If you consider taping at 16/48 (as a DAT replacement) then this thing is a bargain.
I have a 512 MB Sandisk card for my camera so the fact that these are interchangeable is sweet. But I would need to go to at least 4GB card to even think about doing 24/48 (what I do now)
I want to leave my laptop at home so bad I hope these things test out OK
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...looks like the wave of the future is knocking on our taper doorsteps. who's gonna answer?
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if I used one of these at a festi I would stash for lappie at the car, and dump the cards onto it....yea., $660 is a lot, but I easily spent that much on DATs in one year and if there is one thing I have learned about this technology, wait a bit and that card will be $150 before you know it....a few 2GB cards will work fine for now
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...looks like the wave of the future is knocking on our taper doorsteps. who's gonna answer?
where do I sign up?
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i may have to buy one of these suckers and a few 2 or 4 GB flash drives...
Or just get one 4GB card for now, and if you have another show to tape dump the first show on one of these. (http://www.compuplus.com/insidepageNoLinks.php?refer=froogle&id=1002440) That should work, no?
I'm on the list, I ain't putting another dime into fixing my flaky dat decks!
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awesome. Can't wait for this. I think I'll let the 1st generation get out there while I save for a 4-gig card, and then pick one up. JB3 seems to be treating me ok for now.
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just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:
- First 1000 Shipping at the end of June for delivery in early July
Only 1000?
How can I get one for sure? (I am in the Netherlands)
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#24 on cascade's list. i probly wont be getting in on the first release huh? >:(
We are at the top of their list for first orders and I expect to get a significant amount of these as soon as they ship which should fill the current wait list and more. I do not think this will be like Sound Devices where we get a few at a time.
- Frank
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$399!!!???
i think i may have to get on this
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i may have to buy one of these suckers and a few 2 or 4 GB flash drives...
Or just get one 4GB card for now, and if you have another show to tape dump the first show on one of these. (http://www.compuplus.com/insidepageNoLinks.php?refer=froogle&id=1002440) That should work, no?
I'm on the list, I ain't putting another dime into fixing my flaky dat decks!
it would work - though, I do have a laptop I could offload things to at a festival - get 2 X 4GB cards and just use one at a time. I wonder what sort of DC power it will take - maybe 6v or 5v? 5v, just like the JB3, but probably a lot less current draw without a HDD?
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Good deal on the update, looking forward to this!
I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive. I just picked up this one (http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm).
Hopefully it will work out. I want one anyway to transfer my photo files from my CF card while on the road. This way I won't need to plunk down more $ for expensive CF cards. Once I get it, I'll test it out and report back. But from the look of it, it is definitely the ticket. $80 for a portable, battery-powered external 30gb hard drive that can act as a host controller. At only 5" x 3.25" x 1", it is easy enough to bring into the field with you. On-board Li-ion battery is supposed to last for 2 hours, but you can always hook up something like the power runner li-ion battery (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=42001.msg540300#msg540300) and get gobs of run time on it (20 hours?). With this gadget, you could probably squeeze by with two 2gb CF cards. Even in a festival setting, the OTG drive, a 2gb card, and a 4gb card should be plenty.
BTW, more description of this device:
Introducing the latest HighSpeed USB 2.0 OTG (ON-THE-GO) technology allow you Synchronize/Backup your entire data files from almost any of the USB devices to this Cintre DATASync USB 2.0 OTG External Hard Drive. Just transfer your data files by single press of the button without connect via your computer. The dual-role USB2.0 OTG Drive works as a regular USB 2.0 hard disk when connected to a PC and doubles as a USB 2.0 Host that can initiate file transfer from your Digital Camera, USB flash drive, Card Reader, and MP3 player... etc without going through a computer. The USB2.0 OTG Drive provides a fast and easy way to add more storage space to both your computer and USB/USB2.0 storage devices or Digital Camera.
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that is a great deal, todd. +T
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How do you clear files off the CF drive after transferring them? I didn't see that as an option for the OTG drive. Can most devices (hopefully this included) format CF cards?
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Typically, the best place to format the cards is in the device they will be used in (i.e. this m audio device, your camera, etc)
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The R-1 lets you format the card in the device. I'm pretty confident this one will as well.
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Does anyone know if this will have a remote to control recording?
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I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive. I just picked up this one (http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm).
funny...the 30gig version is less expensive than the 20gig version
it does look like a good solution for cf space limitations.
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the Archos GMini 400 is also able to act as an onthego drive. Mp3 player, storage, movies and games. Sounds decent.
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Does anyone know if this will have a remote to control recording?
i hope not. last thing i need is someone pausing my recorder and unpausing his with a remote at the same time.
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just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:
BTW, thanks for the update. Any additional confirmation of past feature rumors?
Will it really:
Support 24/96 digi in
Provide 48v mic power
Have "decent" (?) mic pre-amps
Have "decent" (?) A/D
Knowing the specifics of the connector types would be helpful.
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I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive. I just picked up this one (http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm).
funny...the 30gig version is less expensive than the 20gig version
it does look like a good solution for cf space limitations.
yes looks very good but what about if you need to reformat the card in the field which is a good idea when working with CF cards...
I looked through the info for this device and it didnt seem to say either way if that is possible.. maybe i missed it..
anyone know?
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Will it really:
Support 24/96 digi in
Provide 48v mic power
Have "decent" (?) mic pre-amps
Have "decent" (?) A/D
Knowing the specifics of the connector types would be helpful.
I suggest you read the other thread as some of your questions about digi-in and 48v phantom are answered pretty clearly in there, as well as the type of connectors
as for how it sounds, no one has used one yet so no one can answer those questions
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yes looks very good but what about if you need to reformat the card in the field which is a good idea when working with CF cards...
I looked through the info for this device and it didnt seem to say either way if that is possible.. maybe i missed it..
anyone know?
As was noted above, I would strongly suspect that the Flash Tracker itself will be able to format the CF cards. I would really be surprised if it couldn't. It would mean that you'd need enough time between sets to swap CF cards, format the one you just put in, and start recording once the music starts. This should be the case in most instances, even festivals unless they have 'tweener acts and run the music literally straight through. I don't know about the Flash Tracker, but formatting a 1GB card in my Canon Digital Rebel only takes a few seconds.
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just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:
BTW, thanks for the update. Any additional confirmation of past feature rumors?
Will it really:
Support 24/96 digi in
Provide 48v mic power
Have "decent" (?) mic pre-amps
Have "decent" (?) A/D
Knowing the specifics of the connector types would be helpful.
s/pdif is via coax
mic in I belive is 1/4" TRS
specs say it provides 48V phantom and records up to 24/96
guess we'll find out definatively in about 2 months...
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well, I am on the waiting list for one of these now! :)
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I suggest you read the other thread as some of your questions about digi-in and 48v phantom are answered pretty clearly in there, as well as the type of connectors
Oh, I read it all.. Lapped it up. I was just wondered if M-Audio had confirmed anything beyond the 'rumors' because it sounded too good to be true (with NJB's going for $200 on ebay with one battery!).
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Good deal on the update, looking forward to this!
I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive. I just picked up this one (http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm).
Oh yeah! That's even better! 80 GB will do a whole festival.
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Okay so I emailed M-Audio to ask some questions about the Flash Tracker, and this is what I got back.
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Unfortunately, we do not have any information regarding the Flash
Tracker at this time. It has not been released yet and we do not have a
release date.
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Now I have no idea if this guy has any idea of what I am talking about, I sure hope he doesn't
colin
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That's not surprising. It is a bit unsettling to me that they don't yet have an official release date if they are planning on having it out in a little over a month. But given that nothing is official at this point, of course they're going to blow off some random caller. I'd assume that a dealer like Frank who is going to move dozens of units for them the moment they are released would be able to get them to open their lips up a bit. So I'd go with the input Frank got over the input you got.
That said, I hope they come close to hitting this release date. As it is, it'll be too late for pretty much all the Red Rocks shows I'm hitting. M-Audio has way more resources available given their size compared to SD, so hopefully this won't leave us all waiting for months and years like the 722 did.
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yes looks very good but what about if you need to reformat the card in the field which is a good idea when working with CF cards...
I looked through the info for this device and it didnt seem to say either way if that is possible.. maybe i missed it..
anyone know?
As was noted above, I would strongly suspect that the Flash Tracker itself will be able to format the CF cards. I would really be surprised if it couldn't. It would mean that you'd need enough time between sets to swap CF cards, format the one you just put in, and start recording once the music starts. This should be the case in most instances, even festivals unless they have 'tweener acts and run the music literally straight through. I don't know about the Flash Tracker, but formatting a 1GB card in my Canon Digital Rebel only takes a few seconds.
I wouldnt suspect that myself... the marantz pmd-670 i have wont format cards for you..
and i'm pretty sure the 671 wont either.. unless i missed something but i checked all over the unit and read the manauls cover to cover
guess we will see though
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Wow, incredible! So those units have no way of deleting the files the recorder itself created? To me that seems like unbelievably bad, lazy, and shoddy design work. Could be just me, but it seems totally ridiculous that a manufacturer would say, hey, if you want to use our product, you'll need a pc handy to accomplish basic, necessary operating features that we failed to incorporate. That does take the wind out of my sails, but as you say, we shall see.
If M-Audio doesn't allow any way of deleting files off CF cards, maybe I could just bring along a digital camera to do the task. Not sure if that would work correctly, but I'd hate to need all those CF cards for a festival (if the OTG drive works for transfers), simply because there was no way to delete files or re-format.
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we'll see what happens in the very near future in this regard. To me, the difference is bringing one of those little boxes like todd recommends and bringing my laptop, which, for all intents and purposes is a big difference!
i will have my one for rockygrass, so we can all check it out there, though my JB3 will still be my primary recorder there.
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yes looks very good but what about if you need to reformat the card in the field which is a good idea when working with CF cards...
I looked through the info for this device and it didnt seem to say either way if that is possible.. maybe i missed it..
anyone know?
As was noted above, I would strongly suspect that the Flash Tracker itself will be able to format the CF cards. I would really be surprised if it couldn't. It would mean that you'd need enough time between sets to swap CF cards, format the one you just put in, and start recording once the music starts. This should be the case in most instances, even festivals unless they have 'tweener acts and run the music literally straight through. I don't know about the Flash Tracker, but formatting a 1GB card in my Canon Digital Rebel only takes a few seconds.
I wouldnt suspect that myself... the marantz pmd-670 i have wont format cards for you..
and i'm pretty sure the 671 wont either.. unless i missed something but i checked all over the unit and read the manauls cover to cover
guess we will see though
For the 671, see Manual p30 under "Rec Format"
For the 670, p22 "How to format a CF card"
I have used both, they certainly do format cards.
Jeff
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Thanks for the info, Jeff. +T Spree had me worried there, but I'm remaining confident that V3>Flashtracker will be a good combo.
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I'm remaining confident that V3>Flashtracker will be a good combo.
you, and many others ;)
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yes looks very good but what about if you need to reformat the card in the field which is a good idea when working with CF cards...
I looked through the info for this device and it didnt seem to say either way if that is possible.. maybe i missed it..
anyone know?
As was noted above, I would strongly suspect that the Flash Tracker itself will be able to format the CF cards. I would really be surprised if it couldn't. It would mean that you'd need enough time between sets to swap CF cards, format the one you just put in, and start recording once the music starts. This should be the case in most instances, even festivals unless they have 'tweener acts and run the music literally straight through. I don't know about the Flash Tracker, but formatting a 1GB card in my Canon Digital Rebel only takes a few seconds.
I wouldnt suspect that myself... the marantz pmd-670 i have wont format cards for you..
and i'm pretty sure the 671 wont either.. unless i missed something but i checked all over the unit and read the manauls cover to cover
guess we will see though
For the 671, see Manual p30 under "Rec Format"
For the 670, p22 "How to format a CF card"
I have used both, they certainly do format cards.
Jeff
hmm thats odd the manual I had must be out of date or something as it doesnt include that..
nevermind then :-)
thanks for the correction though.. certainly good to know
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One correction to my post on CF card formating. The correct 671 manual page for CF
card formatting is p21, "How to format a CF card" not the p30 discussion. Pretty much
the same procedure as for the 670.
I still have no answer from Marantz on a more serious problem: the files recorded
at 24/96, though they play back fine on the 671 and in Windows MediaPlayer
and Winamp, can not be loaded or edited in Wavelab or any other editing
program I know of (Samplitude won't load it as raw audio either). The only
fix right now is to play them back real-time on the 671 and do digital out
to a computer soundcard or Alesis Masterlink. They are working on a fix
and promised to email me when it's ready., but no word yet. :'(
Jeff
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spreetaper wrote
>the marantz pmd-670 i have wont format cards for you..
See page 22 of this online version of the Marantz 670 manual for
instructions about how to format a Compactflash card:
http://www.d-mpro.com/users/getdownload.asp?DownloadID=126
Flintstone
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One correction to my post on CF card formating. The correct 671 manual page for CF
card formatting is p21, "How to format a CF card" not the p30 discussion. Pretty much
the same procedure as for the 670.
I still have no answer from Marantz on a more serious problem: the files recorded
at 24/96, though they play back fine on the 671 and in Windows MediaPlayer
and Winamp, can not be loaded or edited in Wavelab or any other editing
program I know of (Samplitude won't load it as raw audio either). The only
fix right now is to play them back real-time on the 671 and do digital out
to a computer soundcard or Alesis Masterlink. They are working on a fix
and promised to email me when it's ready., but no word yet. :'(
Jeff
Have you tried opening them in CD Wave, and then saving with "alternate 24-bit format"
Basically, Microsoft made a new 24 bit wave format, which the Marantz might be creating. but exiting programs won't open that kind of file. In CD Wave, the "alternate" 24 bit format is the older 24 bit wave standard, so if you resave with the "alternate" format, you might have better luck.
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we'll see what happens in the very near future in this regard. To me, the difference is bringing one of those little boxes like todd recommends and bringing my laptop, which, for all intents and purposes is a big difference!
i will have my one for rockygrass, so we can all check it out there, though my JB3 will still be my primary recorder there.
I'm thinking of hitting Saturday and Sunday of Rokcygrass... I'll have an maudio by then as well I hope...
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For those of you worried about storage space check here:
http://www.taperssection.com/index.php?topic=26258.0
You can get two 5 gig drives for about $350-$500. Watch ebay for these things.
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we'll see what happens in the very near future in this regard. To me, the difference is bringing one of those little boxes like todd recommends and bringing my laptop, which, for all intents and purposes is a big difference!
i will have my one for rockygrass, so we can all check it out there, though my JB3 will still be my primary recorder there.
I'm thinking of hitting Saturday and Sunday of Rokcygrass... I'll have an maudio by then as well I hope...
get your tickets now... saturday only tix are gone. i am doing all 3 days - it is a long-ass drive to Lyons from Memphis.
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I still have no answer from Marantz on a more serious problem: the files recorded
at 24/96, though they play back fine on the 671 and in Windows MediaPlayer
and Winamp, can not be loaded or edited in Wavelab or any other editing
program I know of (Samplitude won't load it as raw audio either). The only
fix right now is to play them back real-time on the 671 and do digital out
to a computer soundcard or Alesis Masterlink. They are working on a fix
and promised to email me when it's ready., but no word yet. :'(
Jeff
Have you tried opening them in CD Wave, and then saving with "alternate 24-bit format"
Basically, Microsoft made a new 24 bit wave format, which the Marantz might be creating. but exiting programs won't open that kind of file. In CD Wave, the "alternate" 24 bit format is the older 24 bit wave standard, so if you resave with the "alternate" format, you might have better luck.
BINGO!
Works like a charm. Amazing that the Marantz guys, who knew about this problem when I called them a few weeks back, have not got this fix.
+T for sure.
Jeff
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+T for sure.
Jeff
from the ethos, i grabbed this +T, and gave it to Jason for you :)
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+T for sure.
Jeff
from the ethos, i grabbed this +T, and gave it to Jason for you :)
Thanks. 45 more posts to go, I gather, before I have that link.
Jeff
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+T for sure.
Jeff
from the ethos, i grabbed this +T, and gave it to Jason for you :)
Thanks. 45 more posts to go, I gather, before I have that link.
Jeff
yep, but if you are anything like most of us here, you'll be up to 50 in no time :) welcome to TS.com BTW!
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nerds! 8)
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BINGO!
Works like a charm. Amazing that the Marantz guys, who knew about this problem when I called them a few weeks back, have not got this fix.
+T for sure.
Jeff
glad I could help out. still a pain to open and resave each file, but it sure beats real-time transfers.
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Does anyone know if this will have a remote to control recording?
Would be great, just like the Sonys have and like the upcoming Sonosax. Doubt it though. :-\
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If I owned a V3 or MME or something, one of these would be in my bag.
lets see....
V3 = $1500
Maudio = $350
4gbs of flash = $400
or a 722.
take your pick. I guess i'd go w/the 722 at this price range just for hdd space.
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there is a V3 over on the oade board for 1000 bucks, nick (not mine, but i saw it there, so caveat emptor)
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ya know what stinks most about these...when i can finally afford to buy it, my jb3 is going to be worth like $20 cuz tapers won't want them anymore.
perhaps then i'll start using it for an mp3 player. *shrug*
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i don't think this will affect the JB3 prices, really. buying into 4 GB of compact flash media for a unit like this twice the price of a JB3 still. Maybe in a year things will be different, but if everyting works out I will have sold all of my JB3s except one of them by then.
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If I owned a V3 or MME or something, one of these would be in my bag.
lets see....
V3 = $1500
Maudio = $350
4gbs of flash = $400
or a 722.
take your pick. I guess i'd go w/the 722 at this price range just for hdd space.
The 722 is definitely an option. But if you already have a V3, you're looking at selling it used for $1000-1200 and then needing to buy a new 722 for ~$2400(?) fully equiped. And you can get a 4gb Kingston CF for $275 (and only $150 for a 4gb microdrive, though I don't know if that works or what the battery life implications are).
So:
new 722 after selling used V3 for $1200 = ~$1200 out of pocket cost
or existing V3 with new MAudio ($350) + 4GB CF card ($300) + 30GB OTG drive for CF transfers and increased storage ($80) = $730 out of pocket
Bottom line, if you've already got a V3 you'd like to use, the V3 + MAudio package is a lot cheaper. Not to much terribly worse in terms of size (assuming you're doing open taping or even fob). And then there is the sound, if you already like the V3 sound, why change to something else?
Not at all trying to start another one of these 722 battles, but I've been going through all this myself recently and the V3+MAudio combo has a lot going for it. Really depends on how you value different things and what you're starting point is.
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yeah, i'm sure i won't be the first kid on the block to have one of these, but i'm hoping to grab one by the end of the year. hopefully the resale value on the jb3 won't drop too much by then.
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yeah, if these new m-audio devices are all they sound like they are gonna be, my JB3s willbe delegated to glorified mp3 players from then on out.
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why not just use the m-audio recorder to record at 16/44.1 if you don't feel the show is 24/96 worthy. if you ask me, if the m-audio does a good enuf job recording and is smaller than the jb3, there's no real sense in keeping the jb3 for recording. if the m-audio does everything its supposed to, recording to two devices seems a bit excessive to me.
however, with all those optical mod v3's floating around and the m-audio going back to coax, i think the jb3 will be come the patch rat special.
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I was thinking in terms of starting from scrach when I was doing my V3/Maudio vs. 722 price check.
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If I owned a V3 or MME or something, one of these would be in my bag.
lets see....
V3 = $1500
Maudio = $350
4gbs of flash = $400
or a 722.
take your pick. I guess i'd go w/the 722 at this price range just for hdd space.
Didn't you give the R4 a good review? Same HD space, 4 not 2 channels for $1000 less than the 722. If you're talking CF capabilities, it's a different story.
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So, in preparation for this in stealthing situations, will the TRS input be mono, stereo, or will there be 2 monos? I guess it's all speculation right now as no official announcement has been made. I'll need to get my XLR ends down to TRS and would love to see if Marc can make somekind of interconnect.
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So, in preparation for this in stealthing situations, will the TRS input be mono, stereo, or will there be 2 monos? I guess it's all speculation right now as no official announcement has been made. I'll need to get my XLR ends down to TRS and would love to see if Marc can make somekind of interconnect.
Excuse my ignorance, but what's a TRS input?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what's a TRS input?
think of a big headphone cable plug...thats 1/4" TRS
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What he said...
And I guess I may have answered my own questions, but correct me if I am wrong. TRS is stereo and TS is mono, so if the claim is TRS, it'll just be one stereo plug....hmm......
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Excuse my ignorance, but what's a TRS input?
think of a big headphone cable plug...thats 1/4" TRS
a TRS plug has three connectors (Tip, Ring, and Sleeve). because of this, it can run a balanced signal, or two unbalanced channels. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that is my understanding)
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What he said...
And I guess I may have answered my own questions, but correct me if I am wrong. TRS is stereo and TS is mono, so if the claim is TRS, it'll just be one stereo plug....hmm......
TRS is stereo only if unbalanced. for a balanced signal, you need three conductors per channel, so if this thing is providing phantom power via TRS, it may be two TRS jacks, one for each channel.
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the specs say 48v phantom power, and the box is too small for xlr, so it has to be either 2x 1/4" TRS or 2x 1/8" TRS...I dont see them using the 1/8" TRS.
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i am going with the assumption that it is 2x 1/4" TRS jacks. those are small and will make it very nice to stealth with.
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Back when I had the Metric Halo MIO, some of their analog channels used TRS inputs to save space. In addition, I have TRS ouputs on my ULN-2 that I use a TRS>XLR cable with to my (balanced) amp inputs.
You don't need to hunt too hard for good TRS>XLR cables. I picked mine up at Guitar Center for about $40. You'd just need to make sure you had the proper ends on the cables.
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one can fashion their own cables for about 20-30 bucks or so, depending on how long you want to make them, too. the tip is hot, the sleeve is the shield.
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If I owned a V3 or MME or something, one of these would be in my bag.
lets see....
V3 = $1500
Maudio = $350
4gbs of flash = $400
or a 722.
take your pick. I guess i'd go w/the 722 at this price range just for hdd space.
Didn't you give the R4 a good review? Same HD space, 4 not 2 channels for $1000 less than the 722. If you're talking CF capabilities, it's a different story.
Yea...I was just thinking outloud.
Just because I give something a good review doestn' mean its my first choice in gear to run.
I gave the inbox a good review too.
:)
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i will still not sell my jb3, why sell it, ya know? it has worked flawlessly for me :)
i will run 16-bit backup in most cases for awhile anyway :)
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just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:
- First 1000 Shipping at the end of June for delivery in early July
- MAP Price (street) will be $399
- It will accomodate any size CF Card so 2 GB file size should not be an issue
We are at the top of their list for first orders and I expect to get a significant amount of these as soon as they ship which should fill the current wait list and more. I do not think this will be like Sound Devices where we get a few at a time.
- Frank
Sweet, as I am ready to be a test pig ;D #4 on the informal waiting list ;D
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yes! :) :) :)
i just wish that CF memory was cheaper.
that's the major drawback at this point but prices are dropping... recording 24/48 until prices fall is a possible way to save money
I know somewhere is a chart with 24 bit audio and the amount of GB's needed at given sample rates for a given period of time but I can't seem to find it, anyone know where that is?
24/48 = approx 1 GB per hour
24/96 = approx 2 GB per hour
From the archive, by Bri...
Want to know what size your 16-bit or 24-bit files will be on hard drive at different sample rates? Here you go...
Bit-Depth Sample Rate (in kHz) MB Per Track-Minute
16 44.1 5
16 48 5.5
24 44.1 7.6
24 48 8.25
24 96 16.5
24 192 33
A typical CD-R can hold just over 21 track minutes of 24/96 audio...
i may have to buy one of these suckers and a few 2 or 4 GB flash drives...
I found this chart for the PMD670, at the bottom is a nice little chart for 16bit, up to 48: http://www.micsupply.com/PMD670mediatimes.pdf
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Good deal on the update, looking forward to this!
I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive. I just picked up this one (http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm).
Ok, for an update on this:
The OTG drive looks like it is just the ticket. I ordered mine from the link above on Tuesday, got it from UPS just a little while ago. Worked great right out of the box. I used is as a host drive connected to a card reader I have and transferred about 900MB of photo files from my 1GB CF card to the OTG drive. Downside is it took about 15 minutes, but I have no idea if the limiting factor was my card reader or the OTG drive (my card reader might well be USB 1.1, not 2.0). Literature that came with the drive says battery life of 1.5 hours with continuous use, so an external 5v battery for field operation might be a good idea. $80 for 30gb of portable, field transferrable disk space is a pretty good deal.
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the beauty of the OTG drive then is that it can be powered via the VR Box from leegeddy most definitely w/ a 5.2v output
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a little off subject BUT when going firewire>firewire from jb3 to jb3 for direct file transfers, the transfer takes about 30 ,mins per 2 hr set :(
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[Good deal on the update, looking forward to this!
I think the answer to the storage dilemma is a portable USB OTG ("on-the-go") drive. I just picked up this one (http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm).
Ok, for an update on this:
The OTG drive looks like it is just the ticket. I ordered mine from the link above on Tuesday, got it from UPS just a little while ago. Worked great right out of the box. I used is as a host drive connected to a card reader I have and transferred about 900MB of photo files from my 1GB CF card to the OTG drive. Downside is it took about 15 minutes, but I have no idea if the limiting factor was my card reader or the OTG drive (my card reader might well be USB 1.1, not 2.0). Literature that came with the drive says battery life of 1.5 hours with continuous use, so an external 5v battery for field operation might be a good idea. $80 for 30gb of portable, field transferrable disk space is a pretty good deal.
word to that... I plan on getting 2 x 2 GB cards, and a 4 GB card for the m-audio - that will mean i can swap out cards and not miss anything at festivals where the sets are under and hour, and it will give me plenty of time to dump that data to that 30 GB drive.
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Sweet, as I am ready to be a test pig #4 on the informal waiting list
This thread has made me even more excited. I'm #3 on the formal waiting list. ;D
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Looking at the picture of this thing the connectors showing look like outputs any idea if it has digital inputs too?
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I believe, in the only picture I've ever seen, you are actually looking at the digi in, USB, and I think RCA outs, but they may be ins.
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(http://www.sonicftp.com/news/images/m-audio_flashtracker.jpg)
If I had to guess I'd say those are the rca inputs, the spdif input, and the usb output. The audio outputs are probably at the top of the machine.
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In the orignial thread and the story on line it states the RCAs as outs.
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In the orignial thread and the story on line it states the RCAs as outs.
so how does it provide phantom power? if you look carefully on the sign on the table in the picture, second line, it says "48v phantom power"
maybe there are 1/4" inputs on the other side because i don't think you can send phantom power down an rca line. or can you? i'm not really sure.
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IT'll be 1/4" ins that supply the power, and I can only assume it's on the other side. Of course all this is hearsay and I am just going of the specs that have been listed:
# 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
# 3.5mm jack mic in with 5V power for electrec and back condenser mic
# SPDIF input
# 3.5mm headphone out
# RCA stereo out
# USB 2.0
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IT'll be 1/4" ins that supply the power, and I can only assume it's on the other side. Of course all this is hearsay and I am just going of the specs that have been listed:
# 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
# 3.5mm jack mic in with 5V power for electrec and back condenser mic
# SPDIF input
# 3.5mm headphone out
# RCA stereo out
# USB 2.0
oh cool! i didn't know they released any specs yet. thanks for the clarification. +
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And another one from me. Good stuff!
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This isn't an official spec list. Just what I've pulled from the few blog type articles that are on the web and the original thread regarding this unit.
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this is exciting.
the deck we've all waited for. if only flash was 10gb and $100.
i'm 30 on the list.
late comer.
:)
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this is exciting.
the deck we've all waited for. if only flash was 10gb and $100.
i'm 30 on the list.
late comer.
:)
correction.....the deck *some of you* have been waiting for ;)
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ok.
the deck some of us have been waiting for.
Honestly, after all they wait and hype of hdd recording, i'm currently not all that impressed. Though the R4 has not died on my yet, it sounds like it might some day based on all the other people's problems.
Which gets me to my point.
Flash recording is probably the best medium. It just sucks that its small. 24/48 will suffice. shit, 16/44 will suffice.
:)
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Flash recording is probably the best medium. It just sucks that its small. 24/48 will suffice. shit, 16/44 will suffice.
:)
Bingo! ;)
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Flash recording is probably the best medium. It just sucks that its small. 24/48 will suffice. shit, 16/44 will suffice.
:)
Ding Ding Ding !!!
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this is exciting.
the deck we've all waited for. if only flash was 10gb and $100.
i'm 30 on the list.
late comer.
:)
im 23, so i figure i will have one by 2008.
plan to use 722 for open and maudio for situations where it is absolutely crowded and need every inch. Ray
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i'll admit.....24/44.1 is enough for me. it's all about those extra bits though as 16bits is not enough for me anymore. I think the difference between a 16 bit and a 24 bit recording can be quite staggering. i guess you can call me a 24bit snob :P
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im 23, so i figure i will have one by 2008.
plan to use 722 for open and maudio for situations where it is absolutely crowded and need every inch. Ray
If you're on the list at cascade, Frank said in this thread that the first shipment will more than cover that list. Fret not! ;D
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im 23, so i figure i will have one by 2008.
plan to use 722 for open and maudio for situations where it is absolutely crowded and need every inch. Ray
If you're on the list at cascade, Frank said in this thread that the first shipment will more than cover that list. Fret not! ;D
Thanks bud. +T for the scoop.
Ray
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im 23, so i figure i will have one by 2008.
plan to use 722 for open and maudio for situations where it is absolutely crowded and need every inch. Ray
If you're on the list at cascade, Frank said in this thread that the first shipment will more than cover that list. Fret not! ;D
Thanks bud. +T for the scoop.
Ray
yeah ray, were not talking about SOund Devices here :P 8)
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im 23, so i figure i will have one by 2008.
plan to use 722 for open and maudio for situations where it is absolutely crowded and need every inch. Ray
If you're on the list at cascade, Frank said in this thread that the first shipment will more than cover that list. Fret not! ;D
Thanks bud. +T for the scoop.
Ray
yeah ray, were not talking about SOund Devices here :P 8)
Hater. :D
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just spoke to M-Audio and here is the latest:
- First 1000 Shipping at the end of June for delivery in early July
- MAP Price (street) will be $399
- It will accomodate any size CF Card so 2 GB file size should not be an issue
We are at the top of their list for first orders and I expect to get a significant amount of these as soon as they ship which should fill the current wait list and more. I do not think this will be like Sound Devices where we get a few at a time.
- Frank
I read something over on the Oade board:
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=2753&mesg_id=2753&page=
#2920, "RE: new M-Audio flash recorder"
In response to Reply # 0
In my conversation with our M-Audio Rep, he said this piece may not be produced and if it is not likely to ship this summer. He says they sometimes do this to 'test the water'...Doug
Is this true ? Frank ? Anyone ? Totally bummed if it is ...
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If the 'test' thing is true, maybe start convincing them we need this device? ::) ???
Where can we send our faxes, emails and calls?
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I will be so bummed if that is true. :'(
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Is this true ? Frank ? Anyone ? Totally bummed if it is ...
Yikes. Lotta people will be pissed if that is true. I think I'd even become one of those people who carries a heavy grudge against a vendor. While these are "rumors", they have had every opportunity to clarify if this is just vaporware and if people have the wrong idea.
If they really are shipping these at the end of the month, it seems that the advance marketing is lagging. Nothing on the website, no press releases for confirmation, etc.. Though I can't say that I am familiar with their past product intro practices.
At this point, I'd like to see a *named* person at M-Audio confirm that these are going to ship this month, etc.
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I read something over on the Oade board:
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=2753&mesg_id=2753&page=
#2920, "RE: new M-Audio flash recorder"
In response to Reply # 0
In my conversation with our M-Audio Rep, he said this piece may not be produced and if it is not likely to ship this summer. He says they sometimes do this to 'test the water'...Doug
Is this true ? Frank ? Anyone ? Totally bummed if it is ...
Maybe Doug's a little peeved that everyone's ordering from Cascade? ;)
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
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Good work Ray! +T
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Good work Ray! +T
No problem. +T backatcha
Ray
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
Badass. Who the heck was Doug talking to? ;D
+T for the research
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
Nice. I am just to lazy to call anyone, heh ;)
+T
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
Badass. Who the heck was Doug talking to? ;D
+T for the research
Maybe the same guy that told me the c-4 hypers were never gonna be produced. The Audio Gear Prophet of Doom.
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
Badass. Who the heck was Doug talking to? ;D
+T for the research
Doug's just hating on it b/c this will be the perfect recorder and he will not be able to mod it like everything else...
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
Badass. Who the heck was Doug talking to? ;D
+T for the research
Doug's just hating on it b/c this will be the perfect recorder and he will not be able to mod it like everything else...
LMAO! ;D
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Doug's just hating on it b/c this will be the perfect recorder and he will not be able to mod it like everything else...
I just don't see this. With all the issues Doug has had with his health, and the fact that he has slowed down the number of mods he is even willing to tackle tells me that he is content with the amount of work he is doing.
He hasn't come out with a mod for the 722 or 744T yet either, and we don't hear him bad mouthing the product (ok, maybe a little concerning the preamps). I think he simply got bad info from somebody.
Wayne
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wayne.....i'm pretty sure that was a joke ;)
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wayne.....i'm pretty sure that was a joke ;)
Agreed ...
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wayne.....i'm pretty sure that was a joke ;)
Agreed ...
bingo
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Maybe 8) , but at least Frank has provided the most information about it.
I just sent mAudio an email, we'll see if I hear anything back from them ...
I just got off the phone with their main office, and they said, verbatim: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt the initial shipments of the tracker will be released during the summer, probably june, but possibly in july or august. Any rumour that this is vaporware to "test the waters" is unfounded. "
I still have a good feeling about it.
Ray
Badass. Who the heck was Doug talking to? ;D
+T for the research
I called M-Audio maybe a week or so ago, I was told that the product was still in testing and that some bugs needed to be worked out, they wouldn't or couldn't give me an estimated release date.
I contacted them again today, the response was slightly different, but not any more promising. First they asked where I had heard about the product from, like it was top secret info. They did confirm that the product did exist and that they had seen it in testing, but couldn't comment on a release date. They did mention that it is not yet listed on any of the most updated product listings or release dates. They then asked me for my e-mail address after a short conversation and said that they would do a little digging and find out if there was any information that they were permitted to share. To me it sounds like it might be a little longer until the item is released, perhaps there are a few bugs that need to be worked out, total speculation on my part. To me it sounded like they wanted to verify which information they could share, without getting themselves in deep poop.
I'll post here if I hear anything of substance back from them, I really hope this recorder is going to be released sooner than later, if at all.
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for those thinking this may be vaporware, bear in mind the FW Audiophile.
it was shown at an expo just like the Flash Tracker was with no info on their website etc till it was actually released.
M-Audio has never posted any info on a product until it was actually shipping...just something to bear inmind
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for those thinking this may be vaporware, bear in mind the FW Audiophile.
it was shown at an expo just like the Flash Tracker was with no info on their website etc till it was actually released.
M-Audio has never posted any info on a product until it was actually shipping...just something to bear inmind
Not sure about that. The Firewire 410 did not ship for several months after it was listed up on the M-Audio website.
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Think about it for a minute. When was the last time that an audio/electronics company didn't promote a product before shipping it?
The Edirol R4.
there was no press at all about it. It was "leaked" out just barely 6 weeks before units started to ship. Nobody had a clue about it until then.
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Badass. Who the heck was Doug talking to? ;D
Unfortunately he's probly talking to their head engineer.
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Since this thread seems to be moving in a negative direction, let me clarify a few things:
1. We have been an M/Audio dealer as long as we have been in business (5 years) and have a very close relationship with our sales representative and product specialist. We've been there when they were Midiman, through their transition to M/Audio, and now their transition to being bought by Avid. Does this get me any special info that other dealers do not get? Not necessarily, however in this business, good relationships usually allow for good info.
2. I have had 4 conversations on the phone and multiple email exchanges regarding this unit. Everything I have posted and privately discussed with clients and folks on this board has been accurate info.
3. There are no guarantees in this business when it comes to new products. I've seen just about every situation pop up when it comes to delays: supply side problems, customs delays, backed up ships in port, and typical bugs in beta testing...etc etc etc. We can only pass along info as we receive it. Many times, reps are passing along info as they receive it.
I know that everyone has something on their schedule for which they want a new toy. I also know that people are trying to unload gear in order to have cash to buy new gear. The reality is we just have to be patient and hope for the best. Also, for the record, we have not accepted any deposits or $$ of any kind to hold spots on a waiting list for this unit. I simply have a list of interested people who will get the first opportunity to purchase the unit when we get confirmation of shipping and availibility.
As always, I am happy to answer any questions.
Frank
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thread locked while i clean it up a bit...there was some useful information and i don't want it to get overshadowed by the last couple of pages.
EDIT: reopened...please keep it civil. I've moved the unnecessary stuff out of public view.
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1. i want one.
2. nobody doubts/disrespects doug oade. people just seem to have heard different stories and are overreacting as some are wont to do on an internet message board.
3. i want one.
4. why are cf cards so expensive? flash/solid state media is the way to go for recording, no moving parts!
5. i still want one.
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4. why are cf cards so expensive? flash/solid state media is the way to go for recording, no moving parts!
The sizes we would need to use (4gb+) are relatively new to the market, so their price is still pretty high. Once demand is higher, production will ramp up and we'll see cheaper prices. My guess is in a year the 8 gig card will be at least half of what it costs now, if not even cheaper.
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2. nobody doubts/disrespects doug oade. people just seem to have heard different stories and are overreacting as some are wont to do on an internet message board.
why is it so taboo to have a negative opinion of doug? everyone's entitled to an opinion...
(not saying i hate him, just saying if someone does, who cares? we give each other shit here all the time...)
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why is it so taboo to have a negative opinion of doug? everyone's entitled to an opinion...
It isn't taboo, and I don't see anyone suggesting as such. Tony simply expressed concern that some here held a negative view of Doug, and he sought to set the record straight from his perspective. Simp and others have chimed in to indicate most of us do, in fact, respect Doug and his operation a great deal, and the previous comment that prompted Tony's response was a joke.
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i was just commenting in general. it just seems like if anyone ever says anything, whether it's a joke or not, the general reaction is the same
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i was just commenting in general. it just seems like if anyone ever says anything, whether it's a joke or not, the general reaction is the same
I personally didn't get the joke. :(
I think he has done some great work on certain products and he was way ahead of his time in modifying a lot of things. I don't think too many people would argue that. I don't always agree with his assessment of things (like the sound of certain pre-amps), but there I think we can always argue. I like you though find it interesting that if Doug said two cups and string sounded awesome and his opinion nothing could come close to the way they sounded, you'd have folks buying cups and strings and then saying exactly the same thing. ;D
It's like his ** opinion ** supersedes people's own listening judgement.
That said, I don't want this to be a Doug bashing free for all. If people want to bash an individual, take it to his site where he can defend himself (and honestly there has NEVER been anything constructive that has come out of bashing people). We bash each other here, but I think most of us are thick skinned and most of the time it's done in jest.
Anyhow, I have a great deal of respect for the man and we all should for the contributions he and his company have made to the taping community.
Wayne
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I personally didn't get the joke. :(
::snip::
Anyhow, I have a great deal of respect for the man and we all should for the contributions he and his company have made to the taping community.
Wayne
It's like putting a muscle car in front of Tim Taylor and him having no means of adding "more power". The thought that you could put a piece of recording equipment in front of Doug, and him being stumped on a way to improve it is pretty funny to me, it's just not possible. ;)
EDIT: ebonics
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It's be like putting
+t for saying "its be like putting" - is that ebonics?
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It's be like putting
+t for saying "its be like putting" - is that ebonics?
backatcha
sorry, had to fat finger that one. :P
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Blah blah freaking blah. Anyone have anything RELEVANT to this thread? Any new news? ;D
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Blah blah freaking blah. Anyone have anything RELEVANT to this thread? Any new news? ;D
HERE HERE! everyone take one of these and let's get back to business!
(http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/10182/200.jpg)
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HERE HERE! everyone take one of these and let's get back to business!
Ahhhh.... Thanks I need that! ;D
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fingers are crossed that this thing is going to materialize.
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fingers are crossed that this thing is going to materialize.
fuck yeah man.. even I am excited about this one.
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Only two weeks until it ships! ;)
source? not that i don't trust you, but just curious where you heard this from. thanks!
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Since this thread seems to be moving in a negative direction, let me clarify a few things:
As always, I am happy to answer any questions.
Frank
Thanks Frank!
:yahoo:
we can always count on you!
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Only two weeks until it ships! ;)
source? not that i don't trust you, but just curious where you heard this from. thanks!
Read the start of this thread. And notice the wink at the end of his comment. ;D
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Only two weeks until it ships! ;)
source? not that i don't trust you, but just curious where you heard this from. thanks!
Maybe try reading the thread?
i've read this thread 10 times, saw your post, got a little excited, didn't notice the wink, sorry.
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Hey,
any new info on availability by end of june ... is this thingy really gonna come true by june/july ??
By now (shipping only two weeks away) we should have some up-to-date infos .... Anyone ? ... Pls ...
I suppose stocks of this will be VERY tight ... as is with R1 ... you actually have to haunt them ;o)
What do you think are the main advantages the m-audio will offer over the R1 ... ??
Wait for m-audio flashtracker or go with the R1 once you can get it in your hand ?? Any consensus ??
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Check the other thread regarding this recorder. Shipping is planned for first week in July. Sound Pros is now taking orders. Other than that, no new info on the Flash Tracker.
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Hey,
... you actually have to haunt them ;o)
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Just got an e-mail from my Full Compass sales guy --
"I got a call from Dylan at M-Audio today. He did tell me good info finally. The FLASH-TRACKER--List $499. Street $399 . . . . Dylan did say M-Audio is taking pre-orders for the FLASH-TRACKER despite being 6-8 weeks before it ships."
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Just found this product that appears to make an IPod function like an OTG drive.
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=201526&pcount=&Product_Id=158350
Usually Belkin has very reasonable prices and most of the things they make are well made. If this works like I hope then I will be able to buy say one 4GB card and transfer it to my IPod after a set. While this is not ideal for most folks those that do have an IPod this may be a bonus. My 3G IPod hardly gets used so what better storage drive. Plus my 4G is 40GB and it'll hold at least enough to get me by until I can dump to a laptop.
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That supposedly only works for pictures.
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I'm thinking one Kingston 4gb card for $236 right now and then dump the shows to this device. You think this is viable? 20 gb for $139.00 It says it is bootable from USB, without windows.
(http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/htcnetstore/soyocigarhd20-1.jpg)
Specifications
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USB Description
- Bootable from USB, diagnose system problems without going into Windows!
Dimension Description
- Dimension: 4.02"x2.36"x.43" (L x W x H)
- Weight: 2.8oz
Certification
- EMI Compliance: FCC, CE.
Compatibilities
WinXP / Win2000 / WinME / Win98SE
Technical Specifications
- Hard Drive Type: 1.8" HDD
- Storage Capacity: 20GB
- Rotation Speed: 4200rpm
- Buffer size: 2MB
- Buffer to Host - PIO: 16.6MB/sec
- Buffer to Host - Ultra DMA: 100MB/sec
- Maximum Internal: 125.5 - 253.1 Mbits/sec
- Track to Track Transfer Rate: 3ms
- Average Transfer Rate: 15ms
- Maximum Transfer Rate: 26ms
- Average Latency: 7.14ms
- Operating Vibration: 1.0G (5 to 50Hz)
- Operating Shock: 250G/2ms
- Non-Operating Shock: 1,000G/ 1.0ms
- USB 2.0 (Up to 480Mbps)
- MTTF (Power on hours): 300,000 hours
- Power Type: USB Powered 3.3V ¡Ó5%
- Operating System Supported: Windows XP, 2000, ME, 98, 98SE; Mac OS 8.6 or Higher
- Operating Temperature: 41¢X - 140¢XF (5 to 60¢XC)
- Storage Temperature: -4¢X - 149¢XF (-20 to 65¢XC)
- Data Retention: 5 years or 20,000 power ON hours
- Storage type: HDD
Warranty
All SOYO products are designed to offer stability and flexibility, and are tested to ensure highest reliability. 90 day limited manufacturer warranty is offered on this product.
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You'd need a computer in between them. What you're looking for is an OTG Drive, if I remember right.
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That was what I was wondering. I thought you might be able to send files like between JB3's.
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You can, but you need a certain kind of drive. There's a discussion on here somewhere about them, search for "OTG Drives" and you'll probably find it. ;)
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those OTG (on the go) drives act as the host to transfer files to...a regular usb drive needs a computer to act as the host.
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also, youre gonna want to go from flash card>usb 2.0 flach card reader>usb 2.0 OTG drive
ive been eyeing up the same thing and thats how im gonna do it!
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Gotcha. And once again Todd R. comes up with the link. Thanks Todd as always, and the rest of you.
http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs30otg.htm
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i just searched yahoo/google to see the cheapest card readers, seems they can be had for 15-20 dollars for a pretty decent one that should be able to draw its power off of the OTG drive and also doesnt need a PC to operate! just look around!
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FYI, the 40 gig can be had for a penny more:
http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs40otg.htm
;)
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FYI, the 40 gig can be had for a penny more:
http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs40otg.htm
;)
exactly what i was gonna get, and theyre SOOO damn small, and thats crazy, only a penny more for 10GB of space :)
what kind of reader is everyone gonna get ??? ive been thinking of a cheapy at b and h photo/video personally, they have a couple of decent, simple ones for 15-20 bucks!
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I've already got one around here so no need to buy another. I'm still trying to decide if I really need the OTG drive, since I'll probably never tape a festival. ;)
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I've already got one around here so no need to buy another. I'm still trying to decide if I really need the OTG drive, since I'll probably never tape a festival. ;)
well, if its that 40GB, i may buy it off of you soon ;)
at the rate im going, i have all these batteries and im gonna have all that storage space for the 1-2 festies i hit a year, damn sad i work so much :'(
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No no, I already have a reader. ;) Just trying to decide if I really want an OTG drive or if I should just bring along my laptop when necessary...
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No no, I already have a reader. ;) Just trying to decide if I really want an OTG drive or if I should just bring along my laptop when necessary...
what reader do you recomend and how does it draw its power? from the otg drive, right?
and is everything stand-alone, meaning a PC/Mac isnt necessary ???
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Not sure which one it is, I got it a loooooong time ago. All readers draw power over USB, so they should all work with the OTG drives I would think.
As for if they're standalone, that's a big negative. They all need something to connect to, either a computer (PC or Mac, doesn't matter) or something like an OTG drive.
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Not sure which one it is, I got it a loooooong time ago. All readers draw power over USB, so they should all work with the OTG drives I would think.
As for if they're standalone, that's a big negative. They all need something to connect to, either a computer (PC or Mac, doesn't matter) or something like an OTG drive.
thanks john!
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Do y'all think it would be possible to just dump right from the flashtrack to the OTG or would you need a seperate cf reader ?
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Not sure which one it is, I got it a loooooong time ago. All readers draw power over USB, so they should all work with the OTG drives I would think.
As for if they're standalone, that's a big negative. They all need something to connect to, either a computer (PC or Mac, doesn't matter) or something like an OTG drive.
just make sure the reader is a newer one... i have 1 reader that is old - it was made when 256 CF cards were the biggest available... it cannot handle 512 MB cards. new readers can be had on ebay for 10-15 bucks.
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Not sure which one it is, I got it a loooooong time ago. All readers draw power over USB, so they should all work with the OTG drives I would think.
As for if they're standalone, that's a big negative. They all need something to connect to, either a computer (PC or Mac, doesn't matter) or something like an OTG drive.
just make sure the reader is a newer one... i have 1 reader that is old - it was made when 256 CF cards were the biggest available... it cannot handle 512 MB cards. new readers can be had on ebay for 10-15 bucks.
my new phone came with a cf reader ;D
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Not sure which one it is, I got it a loooooong time ago. All readers draw power over USB, so they should all work with the OTG drives I would think.
As for if they're standalone, that's a big negative. They all need something to connect to, either a computer (PC or Mac, doesn't matter) or something like an OTG drive.
just make sure the reader is a newer one... i have 1 reader that is old - it was made when 256 CF cards were the biggest available... it cannot handle 512 MB cards. new readers can be had on ebay for 10-15 bucks.
my new phone came with a cf reader ;D
technological progress... gotta love it.
there was a guy on NPR a few months back saying that you won't be able to buy an independent cheap digi-cam without it being in a phone and / or a phone without MP3 player capabilities in a few years.
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Not sure which one it is, I got it a loooooong time ago. All readers draw power over USB, so they should all work with the OTG drives I would think.
As for if they're standalone, that's a big negative. They all need something to connect to, either a computer (PC or Mac, doesn't matter) or something like an OTG drive.
just make sure the reader is a newer one... i have 1 reader that is old - it was made when 256 CF cards were the biggest available... it cannot handle 512 MB cards. new readers can be had on ebay for 10-15 bucks.
my new phone came with a cf reader ;D
technological progress... gotta love it.
there was a guy on NPR a few months back saying that you won't be able to buy an independent cheap digi-cam without it being in a phone and / or a phone without MP3 player capabilities in a few years.
yeah, I bought this phone a month ago.
Sony/Ericsson s710a - it uses memory stick duo to store music/photos on...came with a usb reader that can take memory stick, memory stick duo and cf
1 less thing to buy later on :)
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and as long as the readers are usb 2.0, they should float :)
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Ok, so heres my conundrum......
as of late, ive been doing almost exclusively post matrix tapes, and I want to keep up that tradition. With the 722 ill be recording 24 bit.. the jb3 doesnt have that option, and so should I
1.) keep the jb3, dither the 24 down to 16 and make the matrix that way...
2.) get a flash tracker so that my sbd patch can be 24 bit as well and do it that way....
??? ??? ??? ???
moneys not a huge deal, just askin questions..i know it may seem like im overly spending money, but you know, i love this stuff and only live once......
feedback?/
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Ok, so heres my conundrum......
as of late, ive been doing almost exclusively post matrix tapes, and I want to keep up that tradition. With the 722 ill be recording 24 bit.. the jb3 doesnt have that option, and so should I
1.) keep the jb3, dither the 24 down to 16 and make the matrix that way...
2.) get a flash tracker so that my sbd patch can be 24 bit as well and do it that way....
??? ??? ??? ???
moneys not a huge deal, just askin questions..i know it may seem like im overly spending money, but you know, i love this stuff and only live once......
feedback?/
do you seed the show in 24 or 16?
Raphael
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Ok, so heres my conundrum......
as of late, ive been doing almost exclusively post matrix tapes, and I want to keep up that tradition. With the 722 ill be recording 24 bit.. the jb3 doesnt have that option, and so should I
1.) keep the jb3, dither the 24 down to 16 and make the matrix that way...
2.) get a flash tracker so that my sbd patch can be 24 bit as well and do it that way....
??? ??? ??? ???
moneys not a huge deal, just askin questions..i know it may seem like im overly spending money, but you know, i love this stuff and only live once......
feedback?/
do you seed the show in 24 or 16?
Raphael
ideally id like to do both to serve a greater audience.
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Ok, so heres my conundrum......
as of late, ive been doing almost exclusively post matrix tapes, and I want to keep up that tradition. With the 722 ill be recording 24 bit.. the jb3 doesnt have that option, and so should I
1.) keep the jb3, dither the 24 down to 16 and make the matrix that way...
2.) get a flash tracker so that my sbd patch can be 24 bit as well and do it that way....
??? ??? ??? ???
moneys not a huge deal, just askin questions..i know it may seem like im overly spending money, but you know, i love this stuff and only live once......
feedback?/
do you seed the show in 24 or 16?
Raphael
ideally id like to do both to serve a greater audience.
then if you got the $$ i say get something that can do 24
just my $0.02
Raphael
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Ok, so heres my conundrum......
as of late, ive been doing almost exclusively post matrix tapes, and I want to keep up that tradition. With the 722 ill be recording 24 bit.. the jb3 doesnt have that option, and so should I
1.) keep the jb3, dither the 24 down to 16 and make the matrix that way...
2.) get a flash tracker so that my sbd patch can be 24 bit as well and do it that way....
??? ??? ??? ???
moneys not a huge deal, just askin questions..i know it may seem like im overly spending money, but you know, i love this stuff and only live once......
feedback?/
do you seed the show in 24 or 16?
Raphael
ideally id like to do both to serve a greater audience.
then if you got the $$ i say get something that can do 24
just my $0.02
Raphael
thats what i was thinking. To me itd be worth it, even just getting soundboard patches with the tracker.+T
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You know that since you're thinking about it already it's going to happen. ;)
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You know that since you're thinking about it already it's going to happen. ;)
yep youre right.
;)
thanks for being honest .
+T ray
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If money's not an issue, then I'd get 2 722s, even 3 in case one goes down.
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Screw that, make 'em 744s. ;D
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If money's not an issue, then I'd get 2 722s, even 3 in case one goes down.
well it is an issue to an extent, but 400 bucks aint gonna hurt me too much.
2500 wouldnt either but my wife would kick my ass.
ray
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I've done some searches, so don't flame me for asking this. If I get a Micro-Tracker will my UA-5 support a 24-bit recording? I'm still unclear if you can only get a 24-bit recording via laptop with the UA-5 (USB)?
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will my UA-5 support a 24-bit recording? I'm still unclear if you can only get a 24-bit recording via laptop with the UA-5 (USB)?
UA5 will output 24-bit via USB and S/PDIF coax / optical, just flip the ADV switch on the back to the ON position.
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Thanks for the clarification, Brian. +T
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From buy.com...
Kingston 2GB FLashcard $79.95 after rebates.
http://www.buy.com/prod/Kingston_Elite_Pro_2_GB_CompactFlash_Card/q/mp/65/loc/101/10390647.html
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I keep hearing about "reports from Europe", but can't find any European retailers who actually list this little toy on their websites... Has anyone been more successful than me? I also checked m-audio.de and m-audio.fr. Nothing...
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From buy.com...
Kingston 2GB FLashcard $79.95 after rebates.
http://www.buy.com/prod/Kingston_Elite_Pro_2_GB_CompactFlash_Card/q/mp/65/loc/101/10390647.html
ha! just posted this over in the retail space section. pretty good deal in my opinion.
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I keep hearing about "reports from Europe", but can't find any European retailers who actually list this little toy on their websites... Has anyone been more successful than me? I also checked m-audio.de and m-audio.fr. Nothing...
Reports from Europe on what specifically? Are you just looking for someone to buy from? I'm sure places like Cascade or Sonic Sense could ship to Europe...
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From buy.com...
Kingston 2GB FLashcard $79.95 after rebates.
http://www.buy.com/prod/Kingston_Elite_Pro_2_GB_CompactFlash_Card/q/mp/65/loc/101/10390647.html
I was thinking about flash cards, so this seems like a good time to ask the question -
Is there any information from M-audio on the maximum CF capacity supported by the Micro Track? How about the recommended write rates for CF media? I'm looking to get a 4GB CF card, because I don't want to have to switch out media during a show. I'm assuming there is some auto-split functionality in the firmware to break the files at 2GB. Obviously I want to buy my CF media soon, so that when I get the Microtrack, I'll be ready to start testing immediately :)
BTW, my experience with buy.com is that they take *forever* to process your order. I'd rather pay more at newegg.com, get great shipping rates and great service.
Later,
pjdavep
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i am holding out on purchasing the media for as long as possible... prices seem to be falling every day.
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I may have the opportunity to test one of these units as they go into production. If so, is there anyone in the southeast that has already purchased a 4gb CF card and would be willing to UPS it to me for some field testing? PM for details.
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I may have the opportunity to test one of these units before they go into production.
Before they go into production? I thought these were shipping in late July or early August. Are you saying these aren't already made?
colin
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I keep hearing about "reports from Europe", but can't find any European retailers who actually list this little toy on their websites... Has anyone been more successful than me? I also checked m-audio.de and m-audio.fr. Nothing...
Reports from Europe on what specifically? Are you just looking for someone to buy from? I'm sure places like Cascade or Sonic Sense could ship to Europe...
Sonicsense does not repreent m-audio, i'm on frank's list.
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Not sure if it was in this thread or the other one, but somebody mentioned reports from Europe about possible (yet seemingly unsubstantiated) issues. Anyway, it just struck me as a little odd that there apparently were these reports (reliable or not), yet I can't find any European retailers. Of course, I could order from the US, but I'd like to avoid the extra taxes. Guess I'll just wait and see. Those damn CF cards are still too expensive anyway...
I keep hearing about "reports from Europe", but can't find any European retailers who actually list this little toy on their websites... Has anyone been more successful than me? I also checked m-audio.de and m-audio.fr. Nothing...
Reports from Europe on what specifically? Are you just looking for someone to buy from? I'm sure places like Cascade or Sonic Sense could ship to Europe...
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Not sure if it was in this thread or the other one, but somebody mentioned reports from Europe about possible (yet seemingly unsubstantiated) issues. Anyway, it just struck me as a little odd that there apparently were these reports (reliable or not), yet I can't find any European retailers. Of course, I could order from the US, but I'd like to avoid the extra taxes. Guess I'll just wait and see. Those damn CF cards are still too expensive anyway...
Yeah that was posted on Oade and sounded like a bunch of BS anyway. The guy never clarified any of what he said and was never able to show actual reports...
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if they don't do something about the 2 gb limit, that would suck.
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OTG, enclusures,
http://www.byteccusa.com/product/LINK/X01.htm