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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: tonyvt on June 01, 2005, 03:47:03 PM
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I have been sitting here and biting my tongue as this thread has progressed but feel that I cannot keep quiet on this any longer.
I have always felt that retailers should remain as unobtrusive as possible on public forums but I guess I have to cross the line this time.
I find it hard to believe that some members of TS are talking smack about Doug Oade and hope that you are joking. Some of you might not know that Doug was a pioneer in early digital recording and should be shown respect by the taper community. His own unique modifications and products including the Oade cable and Oade pre-amps have helped push our little hobby of field recording forward in many ways.
I am also an M-Audio dealer and have spoken to our rep several times about the availability of the new flash recorder since it was first leaked here on this forum. I have got to let you know that our rep had very limited information about this unit last week when I spoke with him and he did not have any pricing info or a shipping ETA. Late in the week I received an updated dealer price list from M-Audio and there was no mention of the flash recorder and there is still no info on their website as of this morning.
Think about it for a minute. When was the last time that an audio/electronics company didn't promote a product before shipping it?
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I have been sitting here and biting my tongue as this thread has progressed but feel that I cannot keep quiet on this any longer.
I have always felt that retailers should remain as unobtrusive as possible on public forums but I guess I have to cross the line this time.
I find it hard to believe that some members of TS are talking smack about Doug Oade and hope that you are joking.
Yup, joking:
wayne.....i'm pretty sure that was a joke ;)
Most folks here have the utmost respect for Doug and his whole operation and have a keen recognition of all he's done (and continues to do) for our hobby.
As for whether the M-Audio unit is vaporware, we'll all find out soon enough.
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I have been sitting here and biting my tongue as this thread has progressed but feel that I cannot keep quiet on this any longer.
I have always felt that retailers should remain as unobtrusive as possible on public forums but I guess I have to cross the line this time.
I find it hard to believe that some members of TS are talking smack about Doug Oade and hope that you are joking.
Yup, joking:
wayne.....i'm pretty sure that was a joke ;)
Most folks here have the utmost respect for Doug and his whole operation and have a keen recognition of all he's done (and continues to do) for our hobby.
As for whether the M-Audio unit is vaporware, we'll all find out soon enough.
Yup, joking ...
Another yup for respect ...
And yet another yup for vaporware ...
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bummer....hope it makes it out some day...
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So the moral of the story is we have no real idea what the heck is going on, and only an announcement from M-Audio will clear that up.
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Agreed. I will let you guys know if I hear something from our M-Audio rep.
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Good news!
The new M-Audio recorder is officially going to be called Micro Track and is scheduled to start shipping in mid August.
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This is honestly the exact information that I received. I didn't get any specs other than the list price was $499.95
and map was $399.00. I will write in again when I receive some specs.
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Timeline has changed a bit in the last week. In the other thread, someone had posted it would be the first or second week in July, and that his retailer friend already had one in hand (I think that's what it said). Now we're talking mid August?
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Timeline has changed a bit in the last week. In the other thread, someone had posted it would be the first or second week in July, and that his retailer friend already had one in hand (I think that's what it said). Now we're talking mid August?
I don't remember reading someone actually had one in hand...
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i don't remember the one in hand either. however, this sounds like its really happening.
i'm excited.
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i don't remember the one in hand either. however, this sounds like its really happening.
i'm excited.
here ya go:
M-Audio Part number US48010
Shipping to them end of June, but they'll be closed for two weeks, so they'll ship out mid-July. $499 retail, street price $399.
Dealer friend just got this from M-Audio.
Jeff
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i don't remember the one in hand either. however, this sounds like its really happening.
i'm excited.
here ya go:
M-Audio Part number US48010
Shipping to them end of June, but they'll be closed for two weeks, so they'll ship out mid-July. $499 retail, street price $399.
Dealer friend just got this from M-Audio.
Jeff
Hey! I said he got a part number, NOT that he got a machine. I'll have to write more carefully I guess.
Jeff
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For what it is worth the new part number for the Micro Track is #9900-40773-00.
M-Audio will be updating their systems during July and will not be shipping for a few weeks.
I wouldn't expect to see it until mid August.
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Hey! I said he got a part number, NOT that he got a machine. I'll have to write more carefully I guess.
Jeff
Or I need to learn to read. I was reading it has he got HIS from m-audio, not he got THIS from.... Oh well.
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i don't remember the one in hand either. however, this sounds like its really happening.
i'm excited.
here ya go:
M-Audio Part number US48010
Shipping to them end of June, but they'll be closed for two weeks, so they'll ship out mid-July. $499 retail, street price $399.
Dealer friend just got this from M-Audio.
Jeff
Not sure how you can read that as having a unit in hand... ;)
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If it shows up lets hope they do A2D right because optical digital can not handle 24bit audio
It will just get truncated.
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If it shows up lets hope they do A2D right because optical digital can not handle 24bit audio
It will just get truncated.
Pretty sure it's got an rca style coax in.
Not sure how you can read that as having a unit in hand... ;)
(http://www.yo-yos.net/bird-in-hand-gold-award-web.gif)
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If it shows up lets hope they do A2D right because optical digital can not handle 24bit audio
It will just get truncated.
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you can certainly transmit 24bit audio via toslink optical, at least up to 24/96, maybe not 24/192.
I also don't understand the connection between a/d conversion and the digital i/o format. You'd only be concerned with the a/d quality if you're using the analog inputs.
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If it shows up lets hope they do A2D right because optical digital can not handle 24bit audio
It will just get truncated.
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you can certainly transmit 24bit audio via toslink optical, at least up to 24/96, maybe not 24/192.
I also don't understand the connection between a/d conversion and the digital i/o format. You'd only be concerned with the a/d quality if you're using the analog inputs.
as a matter of fact you can successfully transmit up to 4 channels of 24/88.2 or 96 down an ADAT optical line. 8 channels of 24/44.1 or 48.
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Anybody know if this sumbitch will do 16 bit? 24 bit will be nice and I will adapt my playback system in the near future,but for now it'll have to do 16bit also.
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OK I had to go Check the information and you can do 24bit with SPDIF
but not with AES/EBU if you follow the defined useage.
"Both S/PDIF and AES/EBU can, and do transfer 24 bit words. In AES/EBU, the last 4 bits have a defined usage, so if anyone puts audio in there, it has to go to something that doesn't expect the standard specifies. But in S/PDIF, there's nothing that says what you have to use the bits for, so filling them all up with audio is acceptable. Typical S/PDIF equipments only use 16 or 20 bit resolutions. While many equipments use more than 16 bits in internal processing, it's not unusual for the output to be limited to 16 bits."
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First I've seen it mentioned on the m-audio site (just a peep):
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=media.new&ID=0c4be8c815d5bd1092b937785524a11a
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Small Dog Electronics has it listed for back order already. Under the new name w/ August availability.
http://www.smalldog.com/product/35375/atfgc
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Small Dog Electronics has it listed for back order already. Under the new name w/ August availability.
http://www.smalldog.com/product/35375/atfgc
so its called MicroTrack 24/96 ?
right on
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I can't wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If this thing does everything its reported too..........LOOK OUT!
no more lappies, 722/744's, M1, D8's,D whatever! This thing could corner the taper market!
With a street price of 400$ and card costs dropping I will definately pick one up. I will just wait and see that there are no issues like the SD boxes people got suckered on(just my opinion).
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i think it WILL corner the recorder market IMO
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With expectations that high it can only fail to deliver. ;) Just be like me - think it will be a nice replacement for the JB3 and if it turns out to be better, then great. ;D
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With expectations that high it can only fail to deliver. ;) Just be like me - think it will be a nice replacement for the JB3 and if it turns out to be better, then great. ;D
thats what i hope too, though i am a sceptic. gonna keep the jb3s just in case
Ray
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Just be like me - think it will be a nice replacement for the JB3 and if it turns out to be better, then great. ;D
QFT 8)
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i think it WILL corner the recorder market IMO
quoting for when it doesnt work out of the box as it should
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i think it WILL corner the recorder market IMO
quoting for when it doesnt work out of the box as it should
Hater. :boxing: :flipa:
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i think it WILL corner the recorder market IMO
quoting for when it doesnt work out of the box as it should
i wont have to sell my whole rig to find that out either, i will have a jb3 backup :P
this money is out of pocket :P
im still disappointed in you nick, you sold mics w/ inetrcahangeable caps for fixed actives :P so your opinion means nothing anymore
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i wont have to sell my whole rig to find that out either, i will have a jb3 backup :P
wont work unless you truncate the 24 bit signal coming out of the V3
this money is out of pocket
shouldnt make a difference, I thought your objection to the 722 wasnt cost it was the principle of the matter...
im still disappointed in you nick, you sold mics w/ inetrcahangeable caps for fixed actives so your opinion means nothing anymore
given the fact that the farthest I have been from the stage in the past 3 years has been no more than 50 ft, cardiods will suit me just fine....and actives will allow me to run up front my unobtrusively than I could have before...as for disappointed, ok...sorry...
Hater. :boxing: :flipa:
not really I hope it works as i will buy one as well so that I can have a quality stealthing rig..
it was a joke....unlike some I wont bash a product til I have played with it and hear what it sounds like
point I was making is that saying it will "corner the recorder market" is a little ambitious considering no one knows if the unit performs as billed
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i wont have to sell my whole rig to find that out either, i will have a jb3 backup :P
wont work unless you truncate the 24 bit signal coming out of the V3
this money is out of pocket
shouldnt make a difference, I thought your objection to the 722 wasnt cost it was the principle of the matter...
im still disappointed in you nick, you sold mics w/ inetrcahangeable caps for fixed actives so your opinion means nothing anymore
given the fact that the farthest I have been from the stage in the past 3 years has been no more than 50 ft, cardiods will suit me just fine....and actives will allow me to run up front my unobtrusively than I could have before...as for disappointed, ok...sorry...
Hater. :boxing: :flipa:
not really I hope it works as i will buy one as well so that I can have a quality stealthing rig..
it was a joke....unlike some I wont bash a product til I have played with it and hear what it sounds like
point I was making is that saying it will "corner the recorder market" is a little ambitious considering no one knows if the unit performs as billed
im just messin w/ ya bud :smoking:
oh and when i run the jb3 as backup, its gonna be v3>xlr out>1/8" mini>jb3 :) better than nothing, ya know :)
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did you know that if, for instance, somebody is bothering / annoying you,.... You write that someones name backwards, and then put it in the freezer,.. that they'll then leave you alone and chill.
fair warning.
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thought i was getting cold 8)
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Yep, Nick, I took it as a joke -- as was my reply. :-* I already T'd ya, or I'd get you again.
As for the JB3 back up: at first I'll probably run 16/44 just to be sure the Flash Tracker works (with the JB3 into the V3 optical), then I'll be running V3 (24/48)>Flash tracker, and V3(analog)> modSBM1(optical)> JB3 for backup. No truncation needed. ;D
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that'll be a smoking hot signal coming at the jb3. are they capable?
did you know that if, for instance, somebody is bothering / annoying you,.... You write that someones name backwards, and then put it in the freezer,.. that they'll then leave you alone and chill.
fair warning.
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thought i was getting cold 8)
naeB,...
its OK.
:smoking: hot ehh ;D
i will just run a pad inbetween the v3>jb3 ;)
20db pad should be plenty
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sometimes my dry humor doesnt translate in the internet...hell it doesnt translate at home, just ask my wife
in all seriousness, I am hoping it works as billed....it could be a great stealthing machine
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changed the sig just now ehh nick ;D
i have some prime mics>722 tapes, but i cant listen to them yet because theyre dvd-a discs
is there a way to copy them to my HD and dither down? i wanna hear these 722 tapes i got :)
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if they are flac or .wav files you can dither them down...if they are already burned as DVD-As I dont believe there is a way too...if you want some examples though, I have some 16 bit versions available here:
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=22974
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=23073
as for changing the sig...I was waiting til I ran the MGs one more time tomorrow...but thats ok....after tomorrow, they will be on the way to kindguy!
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thanks nick, but im still a dinosaur on dial-up :'(
good luck w/ the new rig direction
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i have some prime mics>722 tapes, but i cant listen to them yet because theyre dvd-a discs
is there a way to copy them to my HD and dither down? i wanna hear these 722 tapes i got :)
If those are the discs I'm thinking of, they are audio-DVD, not DVDA so you should be able to play them in any DVD player.
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thanks nick, but im still a dinosaur on dial-up :'(
sounds like you've found a place for that out of pocket cash to go
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thanks nick, but im still a dinosaur on dial-up :'(
sounds like you've found a place for that out of pocket cash to go
i will NOT support copmcast tho :P
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i have some prime mics>722 tapes, but i cant listen to them yet because theyre dvd-a discs
is there a way to copy them to my HD and dither down? i wanna hear these 722 tapes i got :)
If those are the discs I'm thinking of, they are audio-DVD, not DVDA so you should be able to play them in any DVD player.
coulkd i copy the files to my HD and listen thru my digi out>receiver ???
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So who has a link for the best price on CF for these babys I want to get some lined up.
Thanks for your help
Brad
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thanks nick, but im still a dinosaur on dial-up :'(
sounds like you've found a place for that out of pocket cash to go
i will NOT support copmcast tho :P
GET DSL!
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So who has a link for the best price on CF for these babys I want to get some lined up.
Thanks for your help
Brad
this is where i get all my stuff, for my camera.http://www.flash-memory-store.com/
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Compact Flash price comparisions
http://pricescan.com/digiphoto/08010202.asp
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if you're in the market for compactflash, i highly recommend hitting the websites listed below on a regular basis and not buying until a good deal comes down the pike. dell home regularly has pretty ill prices -- just this past week they had 4GB cards for $185. granted, not the fastest cards available, but it'll do the trick! two weeks ago I picked up a sandisk 4gb ultra II card -- considerably faster than the ones on sale now -- for $277, which was $100 less than the going rate at amazon.com.
www.slickdeals.net
www.morestuff4less.com
www.dealnews.com
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Also techbargains.com - they have TONS of updates every day.
Those 4 gig cards for $185 are still around - the deal doesn't expire until tomorrow. I may have to pick one up. ;)
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Also techbargains.com - they have TONS of updates every day.
Those 4 gig cards for $185 are still around - the deal doesn't expire until tomorrow. I may have to pick one up. ;)
http://www.digitaldeals.net/
http://bensbargains.net/
Yeah John I hopped on one of the cards yesterday ...
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4 gig is probably the smallest we'd want to get, correct? And we haven't heard yet, but any thoughts on if this guy will do anything other than 24/96?
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And we haven't heard yet, but any thoughts on if this guy will do anything other than 24/96?
I don't see why it wouldn't...
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4G at $185 is kinda nice; it's about 154 euro's!
Compare with the pricing found here (http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/300). (useful link for Dutchies)
(anyone want to help me get a few of those 4G cards at that price? ;D)
But doing 24/96 is not always necessary. Personally I'd go for 88.2/24 at most. Resamples nicely.
Even at that setting I'd just get a tad over 2 hours out of one 4GB CF card which is just too short for me.
6G cards would be 'it' for me, but they are still kinda $$$?
Is 88/96 Khz noticable when using not so high end mics? Just costing a few 100?
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I will be getting one of these and would like to be able to start using when I get it.
Anyone know what the best card would be for this unit? Which ones are "faster" than others, and does being faster mean better?
thanks
colin
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4G at $185 is kinda nice; it's about 154 euro's!
Compare with the pricing found here (http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/300). (useful link for Dutchies)
(anyone want to help me get a few of thos 4G cards at that price? ;D)
But doing 24/96 is not always necessary. Personally I'd go for 88.2/24 at most. Resamples nicely.
Even at that setting I'd just get a tad over 2 hours out of one 4GB CF card which is just too short for me.
6G cards would be 'it' for me, but they are still kinda $$$?
Is 88/98 Khz noticable when using not so high end mics? Just costing a few 100?
I'm not sure I've ever seen a 6 gig CF card. They all seem to go from 4 gigs right to 8 gigs.
To start I'll probably be recording in 24/48 then jump up to 96 once CF cards come way down in price.
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I will be getting one of these and would like to be able to start using when I get it.
Anyone know what the best card would be for this unit? Which ones are "faster" than others, and does being faster mean better?
thanks
colin
"Faster" only means it'll copy data off the card quicker. Very important to me for the two festivals I hit a year if i'm only travelling with one 4gb card! (The read rate of the Sandisk Ultra II series is twice that of the card on sale at dell now. That's totally worth the bump in price for me.)
That said, i'm sure there's a certain sustained write rate that's vital for successful writes as well, but I don't know what that number would be.
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am I misreading your message, or are you saying that the speed of the card does not mean how quickly data is written to the card, but only how quickly data is read FROM the card?
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am I misreading your message, or are you saying that the speed of the card does not mean how quickly data is written to the card, but only how quickly data is read FROM the card?
there's a read rate and a write rate.
what i was saying was i'm sure almost any card on the market can sustain a 24/96 write (or at least i'd assume -- if a 5400 rpm laptop hard drive can do it, after all...). what really matters more to me is the rate at which data can be read from the card!
sorry if my earlier post was unclear -- bottom line, check the technical specs of any card before purchasing!
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am I misreading your message, or are you saying that the speed of the card does not mean how quickly data is written to the card, but only how quickly data is read FROM the card?
there's a read rate and a write rate.
what i was saying was i'm sure almost any card on the market can sustain a 24/96 write (or at least i'd assume -- if a 5400 rpm laptop hard drive can do it, after all...). what really matters more to me is the rate at which data can be read from the card!
sorry if my earlier post was unclear -- bottom line, check the technical specs of any card before purchasing!
nah man the post was totally clear, I just didn't think that was the case, but its cool that it is.
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what i was saying was i'm sure almost any card on the market can sustain a 24/96 write (or at least i'd assume -- if a 5400 rpm laptop hard drive can do it, after all...).
Nope. They vary. It becomes a serious issue on digital cameras when you want to shoot constantly at 3 frames/sec or whatever (especially with larger image formats like TIFF).
This particular card is quite fast and should be okay. But that isn't the case with all of them.
This site has good info that is specific to the Nikon D70 but should give you an idea. It is important to note that the write performance depends greatly on the size of the write and how it is implemented in the device. We'll assume that the FT is fairly well optimized but it may not write as quickly as the D70, etc.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6816
24/96 is about .55 MB/second.
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24/96 is about .55 MB/second.
yup, and I think the Sandisk "Ultra II" series has a 9 MB/sec write rate and 10 MB/sec read rate (don't quote me on that, but that's what I recall, and I've been looking around the past couple of days). This is way above the .55 MB/sec needed for 24/96 .wav files, so even a "slower" card could probably keep up with 24/96 data.
here is a good link with file sizes at different bit depths and sample rates:
http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf
that table shows MB/Hour, MB/sec, and GB/hour
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Let's also not forget that it is highly likely that this unit will be compatible with MicroDrives as well. Looking on B & H Photo I found this deal as a reference for microdrives.
Hitachi 6GB Microdrive 3K4 with Travel Kit and PCMCIA Adapter - MD6GBA for $269
This is just one example of themicrodrives which I think in general are less expensive than most CompactFlash II memory. Here is a link to a froogle page with some more reference on prices for these drives:
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Microdrive&btnG=Search+Froogle
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The microdrives draw quite a bit more power. I wouldn't want to use them for that reason alone.
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I'd expect it will be. Though I recall some folks complaining about problems with microdrives when doing PDA recording at 24/96. I'll pay the price difference for Flash so I don't have to worry about heat and vibration. Do the MD's use more power?
yeah, MicroDries are less stable, and they use more power, because of the small spinning harddrive. CF cards use less power and are less prone to vibration problems (no moving parts). I agree with you that I'd rather pay the price difference for some piece of mind when recording. :)
Another hope is that you can record to USB mass storage devices via the USB port.
not too likely, because I doubt it's a USB host. but on the other hand, you could buy an "on-the-go" storage device and dump the recordings to that between sets.
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Microdrives also have a much higher rate of failure. I will definitely not be purchasing a microdrive. ;)
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So...who will be making the RCA > XLR dongle for this thing?
I'll need a short RCA>XLR for stealthing.
Anyone Anyone?
colin
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RCA > XLR?? Going out of the Tracker to what? Seems like your adding gear.
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I record using a PDA. Never had a write or read failure on my hitachi microdrives. I haven't done 24/96 on them though, just 24/48. After a few shows I re-format and cluster them. Also, never had a vibration issue either. Power, I use a battery extender and 4 AA's and never had a power issue. I have even ran without it and with the HP dual slot and Ipaq battery never ran even close to running out of power. Just my .02
Clint
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So...who will be making the RCA > XLR dongle for this thing?
for what purpose?
the inputs on the Tracker/MicroTrack are (2x)1/4" TRS w/ phantom or coax S/PDIF.
if you are referring to hooking your mics into the unit, you just need an adapter that converts each XLR to a 1/4" TRS.
the RCAs on the unit are analog outputs
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So...who will be making the RCA > XLR dongle for this thing?
for what purpose?
the inputs on the Tracker/MicroTrack are (2x)1/4" TRS w/ phantom or coax S/PDIF.
if you are referring to hooking your mics into the unit, you just need an adapter that converts each XLR to a 1/4" TRS.
the RCAs on the unit are analog outputs
exactly what I am asking.
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Microdrives also have a much higher rate of failure. I will definitely not be purchasing a microdrive. ;)
I have never had one single problem with either heat or vibration with my IBM Microdrive. I'd love to see where you get your information. about reliability?
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That's what I want, mics with XLR end > RCA > flash tracker
I would like a short RCA > XLR adapter.
Where do they sell them?
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That's what I want, mics with XLR end > RCA > flash tracker
I would like a short RCA > XLR adapter.
Where do they sell them?
the RCAs are OUTPUTS, not inputs.
you can get the XLR>1/4" adapters at pretty much any musicians store or I'm sure LeeGeddy or someone else would make some for a reasonable price, but you would have to ask them.
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That's what I want, mics with XLR end > RCA > flash tracker
I would like a short RCA > XLR adapter.
Where do they sell them?
It's being really anal on my part, but what you wrote is RCA going to XLR, you want XLR > RCA (hint, look at the way the arrow is pointing. ;) )
And as has been stated, the RCAs are outputs, you will need 1/4" for the inputs.
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1/4? I thought it had RCA inputs. I've only seen the one picture, and it only shows RCA's, didn't realize they might be the outputs.
Well then, never mind......
colin
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Alright this is what I don't want. I'd rather have a xlr>1/4 with a short cable.
If this was sticking out of the tracker, it would be longer than the tracker, wouldn't it?
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Alright this is what I don't want. I'd rather have a xlr>1/4 with a short cable.
If this was sticking out of the tracker, it would be longer than the tracker, wouldn't it?
that reminds me of a night in the rocky mountains with my gf liz in 93....
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But doing 24/96 is not always necessary. Personally I'd go for 88.2/24 at most. Resamples nicely.
Even at that setting I'd just get a tad over 2 hours out of one 4GB CF card which is just too short for me.
6G cards would be 'it' for me, but they are still kinda $$$?
Is 88/96 Khz noticable when using not so high end mics? Just costing a few 100?
I'm not 100% on this but I don't believe you can write v-dvd discs natively at 88.2kHz. You'll have to either resample or use dvd-a to author. I believe that dvd-v is a much nicer option given that they'll play in any dvd player
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Okay maybe I am an idiot, what is TRS? "Tracker will have 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs "
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TRS = Tip-Ring-Sleeve = 3 conductors, which is necessary for phantom power.
a mono 1/4" connector only has two conductors
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TRS = Tip-Ring-Sleeve = 3 conductors, which is necessary for phantom power.
a mono 1/4" connector only has two conductors
That is correct, Tip/Ring/Sleeve. Miniplugs are also noted as TRS, and they are, but they are 1/8 inch, but the preliminary specs on this machine mention 1/4 inch TRS, which you may recognize as a guitar plug.
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Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anything really official saying it would be 1/4" TRS inputs. Ok, well there is nothing official at all I guess, but what was posted when this thing first was found at the trade show just said TRS inputs.
Flash Tracker
# In a quiet corner of the impressive M-audio stand, were a couple of interesting gems. First up was the Flash Tracker, a dimunuitvie hand-held recorder, using Compact Flash and Micro-drive as media, it sports (according to preliminary specs): 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
# 3.5mm jack mic in with 5V power for electrec and back condenser mic
# SPDIF input
# 3.5mm headphone out
# RCA stereo out
# USB 2.0
There seems to be a running assumption that the stated TRS mic/line jacks will be 1/4", but they might end up being 1/8" miniplugs (which are also TRS). Hopefully it'll be 1/4" TRS inputs, but I wouldn't be buying cables for it until I had it in hand, or at least until the official literature for it is published.
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i'd say there's a REAL good chance they'll be 1/4"...can 1/8" supply 48v anyways?
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Any 3-connector plug can supply 48V phantom power.
Edit: If we're being precise here, I should have said "carry," not "supply."
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Well this picture is the one that made me assume the inputs were RCA:
So... .I guess no one really knows....interesting.
For a product shipping in weeks, not much is really known.
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Well, the original description of the device mentioned RCA outputs, and I don't see any other RCA outputs, so I would assume these are the ones. It also mentions S/PDIF out, and I would again guess that is the one. The inputs are likely on a different side of the machine.
True - not much is known - best of luck.
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Well this picture is the one that made me assume the inputs were RCA:
It doesn't say input nor output in the pic...
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Alright this is what I don't want. I'd rather have a xlr>1/4 with a short cable.
If this was sticking out of the tracker, it would be longer than the tracker, wouldn't it?
those adapters wouldnt work as the 1/4" end arent TRS, those are mono.
this would work, though as you said I would also prefer one with a "cable" between the 2 ends:
(http://media.zzounds.com/media/brand,zzounds/p353b-de4156ddb21fbdd178e7d3da6c4a8ee3.jpg)
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Note: All information listed here is preliminary and subject to change. The Flash Tracker is a small hand-held recorder, using Compact Flash and Micro-drive as media. Features known so far:
# 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
# 3.5mm jack mic in with 5V power for electret condenser mic
# SPDIF RCA input
# 3.5mm headphone jack
# RCA stereo out
# USB 2.0
# 24-bit 96kHz recording
Doesn't say the size of the TRS, but I know it does somewhere....
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The TRS thing gets discussed on page 6 of the Flash Tracker Update thread:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=42786.75
As far as I can tell, everything pointing to the TRS jacks being 1/4" is just our speculation.
i am going with the assumption that it is 2x 1/4" TRS jacks. those are small and will make it very nice to stealth with.
I'd imagine that the TRS would be designed as 1/4", but who knows. This preliminary mock-up for a trade show might be a bit different from the actual product. For all we know they switched to use mini-XLRs. I just wouldn't be buying or building input cables until we have a better idea. Of course, easy for me to say since I plan on using the spdif input and won't need analog input on it right away.
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That must have been the conversation I was thinking about. I thought it was actually somewhere else too, but oh well. As you said, we'll just have to wait and see. My hopes of having this for Lolla at the end of July are fading fast though. Oh well.
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If you look carefully at the picture posted above you can actualy read tip ring sleeve 1/4" jack
on the card behind it
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If you look carefully at the picture posted above you can actualy read tip ring sleeve 1/4" jack
on the card behind it
You see 1/4" on that? I see:
"2 x TRS mic/line inputs ..."
"48V phantom power..."
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If you look carefully at the picture posted above you can actualy read tip ring sleeve 1/4" jack
on the card behind it
You see 1/4" on that? I see:
"2 x TRS mic/line inputs ..."
"48V phantom power..."
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i see what jason sees
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Ok I added 1/4" assume you guys would know that TRS stands for Tip Ring Sleeve this refers to a Jack plug. I kinda assumed 1/4inch but heavens you might be right and its 3.5mm yuck.
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Ok I added 1/4" assume you guys would know that TRS stands for Tip Ring Sleeve this refers to a Jack plug. I kinda assumed 1/4inch but heavens you might be right and its 3.5mm yuck.
they do know what that means, Jack.
Where are you from?
Ray
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Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.
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Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.
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Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.
who said they did??
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Oh and while were nit picking you do not neccecarily need 3 wires to use phantom power. You need 3 lines because phantom powered mics have balanced outputs. Just trying to educate some of the posters on this thread.
Well I think you're going to have to educate me then, since as far as I'm concerned, you're dead wrong. True phantom power does require 3 lines. "Phantom power" has really become quite a stretched term, but originally it was developed by engineers at Neumann to provide power to condensor mics. The actual standard developed by Neumann does require 3 connections, and it is technically only 48v (+/- 4v), not 12v or 24v or whatever, nor is it A-B 12v "T" powering -- though all those variations seem to be used to describe phantom power these days. But phantom power is _not_ the same as bias power, and it does indeed require a 3 connection balanced signal.
The definition of phantom power is an equal voltage applied to pin-2 and pin-3 with respect to pin-1. (Thus phantom power does require a balanced connection between the mic and power supply.) The point of phantom power is that it can be used to power condensor mics, but it has no effect whatsoever when balanced dynamic microphones (properly connected) are attached to the circuit. An unbalanced dynamic microphone will be affected by phantom power (although the microphone will probably not be damaged, it will not work properly). Ditto if you tried to set up some variation of phantom power that only used two connections -- you could use it to power a condensor microphone, but the same circuit would cause problems if a dynamic mic were hooked up to it.
As I said, the original phantom power standard was developed by Neumann and was very specific. At this point there are several different phantom power standards set up by AES, but all of them require balanced connections. If you know of any phantom powering schemes which do not require balanced connections that are recognized by AES as actual "phantom power" standards, I'd like to here about them.
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Because it is becoming so frequent now, many people take the transplant of human tissue for granted, as one of the wonders of modern technology. But strictly speaking, they are not all that new.
Samhita, by Indian author Sushruta, notes that re-building of earlobes and noses was accomplished by using skin from the cheeks. However, the work dates back to the first century or before, and there is no supporting documents to prove the efforts were successful.
There are also recorded cases of bone grafts in the late 1600s, and the first semi-modern skin grafts from a cadaver in the late 1800s. It would be 1906 however, before the first modern, and scientifically documented instance of corneal transplants took place in Moravia.
After that, transplants remained in limbo, partly because the fine sutures and needles required, were not developed until after the Second World War. But that did not stop some people from trying new things.
Russian born doctor Serge Voronoff, who became a naturalized French citizen, spent some time in Egypt around 1910, where he became fascinated by the eunuchs, men who had been castrated, and who exhibited underdevelopment or absence of certain normal physiological features of other men. He also became convinced that the aging process resulted from a slow-down of the endocrine glands, and production of sex-related hormones. His solution? To transplant monkey testicles into male humans.
Having already entered the field of organ/hormone transplant by implanting chimpanzee thyroids into people suffering deficiencies, and also by doing animal-to-animal transplants of testicles, Voronoff forged ahead, performing nearly 500 monkey to human testicle transplants by the mid 1930s. Convinced he was on the right track, he then turned to curing the hormonal problems of menopause in women, by giving them monkey ovaries.
The results of his studies, always in doubt, were tainted further by the deaths of several women, and he ceased his experiments under pressure from the scientific community who had never been quite convinced what he was doing was either ethical, or effective.
Thats a fact.
-Cliff
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^^^ BWAH!
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I love the grunt that thing makes on the show.