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Title: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: timP on July 01, 2005, 01:58:48 PM
Not that I will be owning any of these mics anytime soon, just wondering:


How come more Schopes users don't own the MK5 cap instead of the striaght MK4...

I would think the versitility of the omni and card setting would make this cap a great assest to any taping set up


is there a sonic difference between the card settings?





thanks
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: JasonR on July 01, 2005, 02:07:21 PM
Probably a couple reasons...

- According to Schoeps, "The MK 5/CCM 5 has a slight high-frequency emphasis when compared with the corresponding single-pattern MK 2/CCM 2(omni) and MK 4/CCM 4 (cardioid)."

- The price of a MK5 is only about 15% less than the price of a MK4 and an MK2.  That makes the MK5 a pretty expensive capsule.  I think a lot of us get capsules a little at a time.  Another advantage of owning MK4 and MK2 capsules is that they can be used simultaniously (lend to another taper, multitrack, etc).

- Jason
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: VA_TAPER on July 06, 2005, 01:55:04 AM
the frequency response of the MK5 in cardioid is superior for our purposes than the MK4.  The MK5 has a slight boost +2 db gradual from 2khz to 20khz this helps replace HF lost through scattering in far field recording.  If you got the bucks go for the mk5s.....and the tubes too if you really got the bucks =)

peace, chris
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: SonicSound on July 06, 2005, 12:09:28 PM
the frequency response of the MK5 in cardioid is superior for our purposes than the MK4.  The MK5 has a slight boost +2 db gradual from 2khz to 20khz this helps replace HF lost through scattering in far field recording.  If you got the bucks go for the mk5s.....and the tubes too if you really got the bucks =)

peace, chris

Tubes SUCK   ;)
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: timP on July 06, 2005, 03:32:35 PM
thanks for the info ya'll  ++++
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: marc0789 on July 06, 2005, 04:28:32 PM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: BC on July 06, 2005, 06:03:31 PM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.

just suck it up and buy some DPA 4036's.  ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: plucks on July 06, 2005, 06:16:32 PM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.
youre only really getting the omni change...your 4022s are fixed cap-bodyless :)
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Zee on July 06, 2005, 06:19:16 PM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.

just suck it up and buy some DPA 4036's.  ;D


why not the 4052s?
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: VA_TAPER on July 06, 2005, 06:24:29 PM
if sonosax has a lemosax version of their new HD recorder that's ipod size, coun't me in on some mk5s

ahhhh..that would be nice,  no bodies just two capsules, active cables and a recorder.

peace, chris
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: dnsacks on July 06, 2005, 06:26:29 PM
ccm5s are bodyless and the same size as the mk4>active, they terminate to regular xlrs -

Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: VA_TAPER on July 06, 2005, 06:43:30 PM
but they're fixed capsule and much more expensive than mk5+actives

 ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: BC on July 06, 2005, 10:52:22 PM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.

just suck it up and buy some DPA 4036's.  ;D


why not the 4052s?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=45082.0 

I wouldn't even have noticed the difference if it wasn't for the Zee-man!       :P
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: goose on July 06, 2005, 11:07:56 PM
Something the other thread did not mention that might be relevant is that the 4036 and 4052 are based on different capsules.  The 4052 is based on the 4006 and the 4036 is based on the 4007.
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: BC on July 06, 2005, 11:48:16 PM
Something the other thread did not mention that might be relevant is that the 4036 and 4052 are based on different capsules.  The 4052 is based on the 4006 and the 4036 is based on the 4007.

Interesting, didn't know that. +t, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: marc0789 on July 07, 2005, 10:22:20 AM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.

just suck it up and buy some DPA 4036's.  ;D


why not the 4052s?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=45082.0 

I wouldn't even have noticed the difference if it wasn't for the Zee-man!       :P

All about the $$$$$. I could sell the 4022's for 2200, and kick down another thou and have the ccm5's. gotta believe the 4052's are at least 3200 at this point?

the only thing holding me back is the most important thing....I don't like the murk as much. ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Zee on July 07, 2005, 11:19:19 AM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.

just suck it up and buy some DPA 4036's.  ;D


why not the 4052s?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=45082.0 

I wouldn't even have noticed the difference if it wasn't for the Zee-man!       :P

Not to be confused with the Z-Man....
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Tim on July 07, 2005, 11:24:42 AM
the ONLY possible change I've thought of making is trading the 4022's in on a pair of ccm5's. be real nice to have 1) no bodies, 2) no extra caps to deal with, just a switch, and 3) really want some omnis.

just suck it up and buy some DPA 4036's.  ;D


why not the 4052s?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=45082.0 

I wouldn't even have noticed the difference if it wasn't for the Zee-man!       :P

All about the $$$$$. I could sell the 4022's for 2200, and kick down another thou and have the ccm5's. gotta believe the 4052's are at least 3200 at this point?

the only thing holding me back is the most important thing....I don't like the murk as much. ;D

less murk with the HF boost :)



my motivation here is to get someone to sell lucks some 4022's ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: marc0789 on July 07, 2005, 02:43:04 PM
lucks has first dibs, but I've run these for 4 years now, and it's gonna be tough. I've toyed with just picking up a pair of TL's but damn those things are big and heavy. My sole motivation for even considering a change is to have a pair of omnis...specifically for recording in Colo goddamn windy Rado. ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: BC on July 07, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
lucks has first dibs, but I've run these for 4 years now, and it's gonna be tough. I've toyed with just picking up a pair of TL's but damn those things are big and heavy. My sole motivation for even considering a change is to have a pair of omnis...specifically for recording in Colo goddamn windy Rado. ;D

For high-quality omnis at a lower price than the DPA's will run, might want to check out the Earthworks QTC line, super flat response (even flatter than the DPA's which have that little HF bump). I personally haven't heard these but they look like great mics. Plus being omnis I would think they would not be as bright as the cardioid SR71/77 which were always a little too thin sounding to my ears.

http://www.earthworksaudio.com/5.html
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: muj on July 07, 2005, 04:50:54 PM
marc..get a pair of c460b's have them modded by jim williams, and then get a pair of ck62's and have them rebeuilt by tony merrill. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 07, 2005, 05:14:40 PM
I always likes sideshowbobs mk5>toobes>m222>nt222 setup better than any mk4 tape w/ the same lineage, especially for phish

the HF boost makes them sound less like schoeps, thats why i like them better ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Nick Graham on July 07, 2005, 05:24:25 PM
the HF boost makes them sound less like schoeps, thats why i like them better ;D


 :thebirdman:   :flipa:
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 07, 2005, 05:26:30 PM
 :boxing: :nightfevah: :lol: :wink2: :yack:
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Nick Graham on July 07, 2005, 05:32:50 PM
You're just mad 'cause AKGs have no bottom end...

AKG = the sound of thin air

 :whipped:
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 07, 2005, 05:36:57 PM
You're just mad 'cause AKGs have no bottom end...

AKG = the sound of thin air

 :whipped:

20-20k vs. your girlie-girl 40-20k :P ;D

wanna talk bottom end now 8)

you should hear the 414's, all the bottom end you could ever want
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Kyle on July 07, 2005, 06:42:18 PM
You're just mad 'cause AKGs have no bottom end...

AKG = the sound of thin air

 :whipped:

20-20k vs. your girlie-girl 40-20k :P ;D

wanna talk bottom end now 8)

you should hear the 414's, all the bottom end you could ever want

I have def heard some nice 414 recordings...

Personally, I have always thought the AKG sound was a bit bright (almost brittle) and thin
That being said, I have many AKG recordings that I like
I do like the 460s w/ the JW mod, they are smoooth

At this point it is really a matter of personal taste - there are many on this site who are pulling great tapes with many different mics...

Microphones rock :guitarist: ;D
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 07, 2005, 06:44:44 PM
I know, just razing nick ;D

i would like to give the mod460's a spin, if i could only get a pair of 460 bodies, i would DEF get them modded!
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: BC on July 07, 2005, 06:46:56 PM
the HF boost makes them sound less like schoeps, thats why i like them better ;D

 :cheers: :clapping: :coolguy:
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: BC on July 07, 2005, 06:51:02 PM
marc..get a pair of c460b's have them modded by jim williams, and then get a pair of ck62's and have them rebeuilt by tony merrill. ;D ;D ;D

I definitely dig the CK62 omni caps, one of my favorite tapes is WSP 7-14-99 CK62/C480>V2>ADC20, such a sweet sounding low end on this tape.  Full and true, great feel to this recording.

Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: Nick Graham on July 07, 2005, 07:04:46 PM
the HF boost makes them sound less like schoeps, thats why i like them better ;D

 :cheers: :clapping: :coolguy:

Don't encourage him...

;)
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: plucks on July 08, 2005, 01:44:05 PM
sweet! im in line for 4022s and i cant even afford em yet :)

mk5s are definitely nicer than the mk4s...it must be that HF boost.

I think its that AKGs have a funny mid-freq, not the bottom end or the low end.
Title: Re: Schoeps users: MK5 vs MK4
Post by: marc0789 on July 08, 2005, 02:19:05 PM
marc..get a pair of c460b's have them modded by jim williams, and then get a pair of ck62's and have them rebeuilt by tony merrill. ;D ;D ;D

I definitely dig the CK62 omni caps, one of my favorite tapes is WSP 7-14-99 CK62/C480>V2>ADC20, such a sweet sounding low end on this tape.  Full and true, great feel to this recording.



one of my very favorite tapes, for sure.