Looking forward to the coming weeks. ;D
where's the chart with the cf record times. ie: a 4g card at 24/96 will record for ???. I know it's here somewhere. thanks.
where's the chart with the cf record times. ie: a 4g card at 24/96 will record for ???. I know it's here somewhere. thanks.
where's the chart with the cf record times. ie: a 4g card at 24/96 will record for ???. I know it's here somewhere. thanks.
The chart is cool, but it's easier to remember:
24/48 = one gig an hour
24/96 = two gigs an hour
24/192 = four gigs an hour
;)
where's the chart with the cf record times. ie: a 4g card at 24/96 will record for ???. I know it's here somewhere. thanks.http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf
where's the chart with the cf record times. ie: a 4g card at 24/96 will record for ???. I know it's here somewhere. thanks.
The chart is cool, but it's easier to remember:
24/48 = one gig an hour
24/96 = two gigs an hour
24/192 = four gigs an hour
where's the chart with the cf record times. ie: a 4g card at 24/96 will record for ???. I know it's here somewhere. thanks.
Might be better to just have one 8 gig card and be done with it. ;)
I picked up a 4 gig because the shows I go to hardly ever run over 2 hours. And for ones that I know will I have no problems running at 24/48 for the time being.
low/medium/high? backlight control????
At first I thought maybe line/mic/? but I couldn't come up with the "h".
The M-Audio site has:
"Recharge the battery by simply connecting MicroTrack to a PC or Mac via USB, or using an optional power supply."
In the pictures I don't see anywhere other than the USB connector where an optional power supply could plug in. I wonder if that's only for recharging or whether you can run the MicroTrack from something like the PowerAll lithium battery with a USB terminator.
Jeff
I'm guessing mic sensitivity - Low/Medium/High.
EDIT: Maybe it's a selector switch for line/mic/headphones?
The M-Audio site has:
"Recharge the battery by simply connecting MicroTrack to a PC or Mac via USB, or using an optional power supply."
In the pictures I don't see anywhere other than the USB connector where an optional power supply could plug in. I wonder if that's only for recharging or whether you can run the MicroTrack from something like the PowerAll lithium battery with a USB terminator.
Jeff
USB Power adapter- It must be a charger with a USB tip.
For those of you who havent picked up a CF card yet and your not to anti Ebay yet I've pulled a couple nice prices out of there this week. I scored a new in package SanDisk 4gb x80 card for $175 and a Hitachi 4gb microdrive (out of package but new) for $113.So what's better, cf card or microdrive? What about write speeds on cf cards? Is the cheapest one OK? Sandisk Ultra II's and Lexar Pro's are over 400. I found a Seagate 5gb cf for 249. http://www.memorysuppliers.com/se5gbst1mico.html.
Brad
For those of you who havent picked up a CF card yet and your not to anti Ebay yet I've pulled a couple nice prices out of there this week. I scored a new in package SanDisk 4gb x80 card for $175 and a Hitachi 4gb microdrive (out of package but new) for $113.So what's better, cf card or microdrive? What about write speeds on cf cards? Is the cheapest one OK? Sandisk Ultra II's and Lexar Pro's are over 400. I found a Seagate 5gb cf for 249. http://www.memorysuppliers.com/se5gbst1mico.html.
Brad
For those of you who havent picked up a CF card yet and your not to anti Ebay yet I've pulled a couple nice prices out of there this week. I scored a new in package SanDisk 4gb x80 card for $175 and a Hitachi 4gb microdrive (out of package but new) for $113.So what's better, cf card or microdrive? What about write speeds on cf cards? Is the cheapest one OK? Sandisk Ultra II's and Lexar Pro's are over 400. I found a Seagate 5gb cf for 249. http://www.memorysuppliers.com/se5gbst1mico.html.
Brad
Compact Flash cards are much better than microdrives. The whole reason I'm buying the microtrack is to move to solid state media where there are virtually no heat or vibration issues that exist with hard disc recorders. Using a microdrive in the Microtrack would bring up all of those issues.
The Seagate card you linked to is a microdrive, btw (at least, the pictured item is).
For those of you who havent picked up a CF card yet and your not to anti Ebay yet I've pulled a couple nice prices out of there this week. I scored a new in package SanDisk 4gb x80 card for $175 and a Hitachi 4gb microdrive (out of package but new) for $113.So what's better, cf card or microdrive? What about write speeds on cf cards? Is the cheapest one OK? Sandisk Ultra II's and Lexar Pro's are over 400. I found a Seagate 5gb cf for 249. http://www.memorysuppliers.com/se5gbst1mico.html.
Brad
Compact Flash cards are much better than microdrives. The whole reason I'm buying the microtrack is to move to solid state media where there are virtually no heat or vibration issues that exist with hard disc recorders. Using a microdrive in the Microtrack would bring up all of those issues.
The Seagate card you linked to is a microdrive, btw (at least, the pictured item is).
the only question that i have is, what happpends after 2 gigs, does it create a new file, if not the you are fucked. wavelab can't open more than 2 gigs
jon
What is the L/M/H button on the side?
Can you easily get to the internal battery for possible replacement in the field?
the only question that i have is, what happpends after 2 gigs, does it create a new file, if not the you are fucked. wavelab can't open more than 2 gigs
jon
the only question that i have is, what happpends after 2 gigs, does it create a new file, if not the you are fucked. wavelab can't open more than 2 gigs
jon
What about doing an arbitrary division using shntool's split command, THEN opening the files in Wavelab?the only question that i have is, what happpends after 2 gigs, does it create a new file, if not the you are fucked. wavelab can't open more than 2 gigs
jon
Good thing Spark can. ;)
For those of you who havent picked up a CF card yet and your not to anti Ebay yet I've pulled a couple nice prices out of there this week. I scored a new in package SanDisk 4gb x80 card for $175 and a Hitachi 4gb microdrive (out of package but new) for $113.So what's better, cf card or microdrive? What about write speeds on cf cards? Is the cheapest one OK? Sandisk Ultra II's and Lexar Pro's are over 400. I found a Seagate 5gb cf for 249. http://www.memorysuppliers.com/se5gbst1mico.html.
Brad
Compact Flash cards are much better than microdrives. The whole reason I'm buying the microtrack is to move to solid state media where there are virtually no heat or vibration issues that exist with hard disc recorders. Using a microdrive in the Microtrack would bring up all of those issues.
The Seagate card you linked to is a microdrive, btw (at least, the pictured item is).
For recording audio the SanDisk type I CF card is enough even if you want to record in 24/96 modus. However the Ultra II CF card will give you slightly higher transfer speeds when using USB 2.0.For those of you who havent picked up a CF card yet and your not to anti Ebay yet I've pulled a couple nice prices out of there this week. I scored a new in package SanDisk 4gb x80 card for $175 and a Hitachi 4gb microdrive (out of package but new) for $113.So what's better, cf card or microdrive? What about write speeds on cf cards? Is the cheapest one OK? Sandisk Ultra II's and Lexar Pro's are over 400. I found a Seagate 5gb cf for 249. http://www.memorysuppliers.com/se5gbst1mico.html.
Brad
Compact Flash cards are much better than microdrives. The whole reason I'm buying the microtrack is to move to solid state media where there are virtually no heat or vibration issues that exist with hard disc recorders. Using a microdrive in the Microtrack would bring up all of those issues.
The Seagate card you linked to is a microdrive, btw (at least, the pictured item is).
I see that now. 5gbmd. Oh well. So what type of cf card? Does it have to be the 2 I mention above? The 400+ dollar ones. Or one of the cheaper ones. Thanks.
I know this has already been covered in the 1st topic of this. but as I have seen the inputs and I see a mic in. so we do not have a line in on this thing? I know there are two connectors for L/R mic inputs. I am guessing that is Line In? I tired reading all of the first thread and I saw that there was going to be a Line In on this recorder? how would I convert it to use my DPA 4061's? I did see the dimensons of this thing and it is twice as small as the M1!!! I cannot wait until I will have money to buy it! it should be alot easier stealthing. so for this thing you need a CF card? and to record for more than 2 hrs. you should get a 8 GB CF card? this thing looks NOYCE!
I know this has already been covered in the 1st topic of this. but as I have seen the inputs and I see a mic in. so we do not have a line in on this thing? I know there are two connectors for L/R mic inputs. I am guessing that is Line In? I tired reading all of the first thread and I saw that there was going to be a Line In on this recorder? how would I convert it to use my DPA 4061's? I did see the dimensons of this thing and it is twice as small as the M1!!! I cannot wait until I will have money to buy it! it should be alot easier stealthing. so for this thing you need a CF card? and to record for more than 2 hrs. you should get a 8 GB CF card? this thing looks NOYCE!
check out the pictures in this thread. the inputs can be switched so that they can accept either mic or line inputs
there is a switch as indicated in another picture. it's the one that says m/l/h
that's right...low/medium/high......sorry aobut that!
probably selectable from a menu?
This looks like one...holla back! I was just kind of lazy and didn't want to search for it! would it work though?
http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=Adpt2QmmMsf&preadd=action
What is the L/M/H button on the side?
Low/Medium/High GainCan you easily get to the internal battery for possible replacement in the field?
There is no easy way to replace the battery in the field. There are no screws on the back panel, just solid plastic. As mentioned earlier, the usb port is the way to power for extended use.
The knob next to the cf/micro drive slot is the "joy stick" if you will, that toggles through the menu option.
It weighs about as much as a cell phone, maybe less.the only question that i have is, what happpends after 2 gigs, does it create a new file, if not the you are fucked. wavelab can't open more than 2 gigs
jon
CD Wave opens files larger than 2gb for me...
m-audio says the next firmware upgrade should address this, maybe by the time it's released that will not be an issue.
oh ok, but will this be able to recorder larger than 2gb
I don't see why it wouldn't...left is left, right is right...This looks like one...holla back! I was just kind of lazy and didn't want to search for it! would it work though?
http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=Adpt2QmmMsf&preadd=action
well that will be an issue to me, i am surprised that no one brought up this issue
well, today I got an answer from M-Audio tech support in regards to the 2 GB file limit and a possible autosplit feature.
here is the relevant text from a couple of emails:QuoteJason,
The FAT32 file format has a 2GB limit for an individual file.
We plan on releasing updates for this product through out it’s life cycle. Although we cannot give more information at this time, please check back for updates.
Please let us know if you need further assistance.
Take Care,
LE
and after further questioning:QuoteYes, the file split feature will be implemented in the next few weeks with
an update we are releasing.
So, there's our answer. I hadn't seen any info about this yet, so I thought I'd go ahead and post it here for everyone.
the white zone is for loading and unloading...
still better than being put off 2-3 years ala the 722/744T
still better than being put off 2-3 years ala the 722/744T
still hatin'
;D
still better than being put off 2-3 years ala the 722/744T
still hatin'
;D
at this point....doesn't even matter anymore? the product is out.
still better than being put off 2-3 years ala the 722/744T
still hatin'
;D
at this point....doesn't even matter anymore? the product is out.
bingo. +T
still better than being put off 2-3 years ala the 722/744T
still hatin'
;D
at this point....doesn't even matter anymore? the product is out.
bingo. +T
if ya dont like my hatin, dont read it, this IS a micro tracker thread, not an overpriced and late release thread :P and its my opinion
you didn't sound like a dick. more like a broken record ;)
sorry to hear about your bad day. that sucks. hope it gets better :)
well, good ;D
sorry if that sounds like a dick, i had the worst day in a LONG time :'(
well, good ;D
sorry if that sounds like a dick, i had the worst day in a LONG time :'(
Bean needs NO MORE bad days ;D
take care bud!
qft! take the rest of the day easy beaner!well, good ;D
sorry if that sounds like a dick, i had the worst day in a LONG time :'(
Bean needs NO MORE bad days ;D
take care bud!
thanks guys :smoking:all work and no beer makes Bean something something....
working this much makes bean mean!
got mine already...i just want to use it!!
Are you guys interested in this product simply for stealthing, or do you think that it could be comparable to larger, slightly higher end products for non-stealth?
Also, going back to the battery issue, as mentioned earlier, it can connect to a Li-ion battery pack via the USB port. That said, can any of you recommend a decent power source that would serve this purpose along with what kind of cable? Thanks.
Are you guys interested in this product simply for stealthing, or do you think that it could be comparable to larger, slightly higher end products for non-stealth?
Also, going back to the battery issue, as mentioned earlier, it can connect to a Li-ion battery pack via the USB port. That said, can any of you recommend a decent power source that would serve this purpose along with what kind of cable? Thanks.
Ok, silly question...would it be possible to charge AND record at the same time with something like this? Has anyone ever run the JB3 while charging it at the same time?
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
I'd put money on being able to record and have it externally powered at the same time. Maybe not *charge* - but at least draw power over the USB for operation.
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
I'd put money on being able to record and have it externally powered at the same time. Maybe not *charge* - but at least draw power over the USB for operation.
You can power the unit via usb while it is recording.
The only issue is that you won't be able to use a beefy connector (ie locking barrel type) for your s/pdif cable. Not really a big deal at all, but my zoalla silverline was not an option, even with the locking sleeve off.
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
I'd put money on being able to record and have it externally powered at the same time. Maybe not *charge* - but at least draw power over the USB for operation.
You can power the unit via usb while it is recording.
The only issue is that you won't be able to use a beefy connector (ie locking barrel type) for your s/pdif cable. Not really a big deal at all, but my zoalla silverline was not an option, even with the locking sleeve off.
audio magic makes locking rca style coax cables, thats what i'll be investing in ;D
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
I'd put money on being able to record and have it externally powered at the same time. Maybe not *charge* - but at least draw power over the USB for operation.
You can power the unit via usb while it is recording.
The only issue is that you won't be able to use a beefy connector (ie locking barrel type) for your s/pdif cable. Not really a big deal at all, but my zoalla silverline was not an option, even with the locking sleeve off.
audio magic makes locking rca style coax cables, thats what i'll be investing in ;D
Maybe I didn't make myself clear in my previous post... You will NOT be able to use a beefy connector with a locking connector for your s/pdif connection. There is not enough room, at least on the unit I held. You'll want to use something like an apogee wyed-eye with a really thin barrel. We used an generic cable like the one that is provided when you buy a tv or vcr.. you know, the super cheap freebie.
Hmm. Ok. The reason I ask is, if this thing gets 3 hours with phantom on, that'll be cutting it close for longer shows. If it's possible to charge and record at the same time, then it's not a problem, but if hooking something up via USB will make the unit wonk out, then that's not good. I forgot the JB3 had the separate wall wart, so it's anybody's guess.
I'd put money on being able to record and have it externally powered at the same time. Maybe not *charge* - but at least draw power over the USB for operation.
You can power the unit via usb while it is recording.
The only issue is that you won't be able to use a beefy connector (ie locking barrel type) for your s/pdif cable. Not really a big deal at all, but my zoalla silverline was not an option, even with the locking sleeve off.
audio magic makes locking rca style coax cables, thats what i'll be investing in ;D
Maybe I didn't make myself clear in my previous post... You will NOT be able to use a beefy connector with a locking connector for your s/pdif connection. There is not enough room, at least on the unit I held. You'll want to use something like an apogee wyed-eye with a really thin barrel. We used an generic cable like the one that is provided when you buy a tv or vcr.. you know, the super cheap freebie.
each 1/4" is TRS, making it balanced for line inputs.to save batt power from the micro tracker!
other than using mics that are not designed for phantom power, why would you need phantom adapters?
the device can provide 48V phantom.
each 1/4" is TRS, making it balanced for line inputs.to save batt power from the micro tracker!
other than using mics that are not designed for phantom power, why would you need phantom adapters?
the device can provide 48V phantom.
other than using mics that are not designed for phantom power, why would you need phantom adapters?
the device can provide 48V phantom.
other than using mics that are not designed for phantom power, why would you need phantom adapters?
the device can provide 48V phantom.
I have AT853s (Converted back from SP-CMC-4), and at the moment they go AT853>Phantom adaptor>PS-2
So presumably if I take the PS-2 out and replace it with the Microtrack (or some other phantom power supply), the adaptors are still needed?
or, keep your existing mics>adapter>ps2 and put 1/4" adaptors coming out of the ps2 into the microtrack
As usual for this sort of stuff over here, it looks like they just changed the $ to a £ sign which nearly doubles the USA price, at £349... I'll try and call a dealer tomorrow and see if that will be the actual street price. The $399 from US dealers looks good until you add the shipping, and then customs charges - it comes to almost the same, and you end-up with the wrong AC adaptor too.
I don't think this has been brought up before, but am I the only person who feels like this recorder will be less than ideal in a festival setting? Shit, even if you have a 8gb cf card and decide to run 16/44.1 you wouldn't have enough recording time. And I know I don't want to spend more on flash cards than I would on the actual device itself.
Any thoughts?
All in all though, I do think you're onto something. The $399 list seems really nice, until you factor in the cost of CF cards, an external drive, external powering solution, etc. Looks like this could easily run close to a grand wth everything.
True, but how much have you spent on DAT media over the years? That's your savings right there...
$1000? What are you looking at??
$350 - Flash Tracker (what most vendors we use are advertising)
$220 - 4 GB CF Card
$120 - 60 GB OTG HD
Total: $690
Yeah, ok, $300 off....
$1000? What are you looking at??even with a leegeddy vr-box with usb powering output and some extra dvd batts, you're still under a grand...which is still less than the cheapest available 24-bit recorder.
$350 - Flash Tracker (what most vendors we use are advertising)
$220 - 4 GB CF Card
$120 - 60 GB OTG HD
Total: $690
Yeah, ok, $300 off....
but am I the only person who feels like this recorder will be less than ideal in a festival setting? Shit, even if you have a 8gb cf card and decide to run 16/44.1 you wouldn't have enough recording time. And I know I don't want to spend more on flash cards than I would on the actual device itself.
Additional $400? There's an 8GB on eBay right now, BIN, $425, only adds $200.
Regardless, you're still looking at a little less than half the 722, and the size isn't beatable for stealth. And how many festivals do folks really do during the season? I usually only do 1. We splurged and did 2 this year. ANd as mentioned, you're not spending the money on DAT or, god forbid, MD. Assuming this thing works as advertised, it's a great option for those that can't do the 722.
EDIT: Sorry, the 8GB isn't BIN, it's got bids....oops...
Just pointing out the $350 price is somewhat misleading...
Hater >:D
God bless m-audio for making a consumer level product that is so affordable, but heaven help them (and especially the vendors) when someone looses a recording b/c a unit locks up (which is a certainty).
My concern with something like that is they may be too fat. Who's our man that's had one of these in his hands??
being that this things sole purpose in existence is recording 24/96 digitally (with not much emphasis on the pre/ad section),
anyone have an idea what cables or adapters to use with this?
would this be a good one for making your own?
(http://www.partsexpress.com/images/092-104m.jpg)
being that this things sole purpose in existence is recording 24/96 digitally (with not much emphasis on the pre/ad section),
Why do you say that is the sole purpose? I want to use it for analog recording too.
being that this things sole purpose in existence is recording 24/96 digitally (with not much emphasis on the pre/ad section),
Why do you say that is the sole purpose? I want to use it for analog recording too.
well, of course it's not its SOLE purpose, but i see it as being primary...i mean, without high-quality analog gain i don't see it as being mainly intended for analog recording. of course it will fit the bill for that, but with the presence of many high quality analog pre's and a/d's out there, the inclusion of s/pdif says to me that they want this thing to be an easy, portable, reliable storage medium for that digital data.
the opinions above may not reflect the views of ts.com, m-audio, or anyone but myself.
anyone have an idea what cables or adapters to use with this?
would this be a good one for making your own?
(http://www.partsexpress.com/images/092-104m.jpg)
that cable would work for line-in, but its not balanced, so you couldnt use that if you want to use the phantom power on the M-Audio
being that this things sole purpose in existence is recording 24/96 digitally (with not much emphasis on the pre/ad section),
Why do you say that is the sole purpose? I want to use it for analog recording too.
well, of course it's not its SOLE purpose, but i see it as being primary...i mean, without high-quality analog gain i don't see it as being mainly intended for analog recording. of course it will fit the bill for that, but with the presence of many high quality analog pre's and a/d's out there, the inclusion of s/pdif says to me that they want this thing to be an easy, portable, reliable storage medium for that digital data.
the opinions above may not reflect the views of ts.com, m-audio, or anyone but myself.
ahem...being that this things sole purpose in existence is recording 24/96 digitally (with not much emphasis on the pre/ad section),
Why do you say that is the sole purpose? I want to use it for analog recording too.
well, of course it's not its SOLE purpose, but i see it as being primary...i mean, without high-quality analog gain i don't see it as being mainly intended for analog recording. of course it will fit the bill for that, but with the presence of many high quality analog pre's and a/d's out there, the inclusion of s/pdif says to me that they want this thing to be an easy, portable, reliable storage medium for that digital data.
the opinions above may not reflect the views of ts.com, m-audio, or anyone but myself.
You see it as the primary, but the designers see way more use than just digital in. promise. Our niche is exactly that, a niche. We are a drop in the bucket when compared to the number of other uses this thing is intended for.
the opinions above may not reflect the views of ts.com, m-audio, or anyone but myself.;D
seems to me that some of those folks on the oade board just don't like the m-audio for some reason. maybe they won't sell it, i don't know. but they keep fluffing the marantz products over there too, and those just don't look appealing at all to me(especially the cdr box they are now fluffing). of course i do hope oade sells these, that makes the chances of any doug mods that much better. to me, this m-audio still looks like it can be the best of the entire bunch, and thank the good lord i have no interest whatsoever in taping festivals :)
being that this things sole purpose in existence is recording 24/96 digitally (with not much emphasis on the pre/ad section),
Why do you say that is the sole purpose? I want to use it for analog recording too.
Wondering...
Are there any figures on the Signal / Noise ratio on the mic inputs (or for that matter the analog inputs)? Is it really going to be 24 bits?
I have tried the Edirol R-1 and the signal / noise ratio of that box is terrible. To me there is absolutely no idea to record at 24 bits, as the noise level hints at around 14 to 15 bits before the noise floor. (The R-4 though is pretty decent, there 24 bit is actually useful). For most uses I would say 16 bits is quite Ok, especially for a rock or pop concert as the ambient noise level is so high anyway. I however record mostly classical music, and for that something like 18 to 20 bits really come useful to captur the music between clipping and noise floor of the equipment.
So is this box going to be good in that respect?
Gunnar
Second, this is new territory for M-Audio. They have never built a
portable, low voltage, battery-powered mic pre or mic pre/A-to-D, much less
a complete recorder. Their only mic pre/A-to-D products were the
Duo/Quattro and Mobile Pre USB. Only the Duo was a stand-alone device.
Every one of their mic pres to date has required AC power. Even the wall
warts had AC outputs. It's a challenge to design and build a low voltage
DC-powered one that has low noise and sounds good. For our Mic2496 for
example, we went through roughly six re-designs until we were satisfied
QuoteSecond, this is new territory for M-Audio. They have never built a
portable, low voltage, battery-powered mic pre or mic pre/A-to-D, much less
a complete recorder. Their only mic pre/A-to-D products were the
Duo/Quattro and Mobile Pre USB. Only the Duo was a stand-alone device.
Every one of their mic pres to date has required AC power. Even the wall
warts had AC outputs. It's a challenge to design and build a low voltage
DC-powered one that has low noise and sounds good. For our Mic2496 for
example, we went through roughly six re-designs until we were satisfied
I can't even read the rest after that. If he can't bother to be informed on what he's talking about then why should I trust anything he says?
Only PDAudio with Mic2496 allows for recording at 192 KS/s. Only PDAudio
with Mic2496 allows you to record while passing on a digital signal (optical
or coax) for a daisy chain of other digital tapers.
i find it amusing that his response was more or less a commercial for PDAudio and the mic2496 he sells.
i find it amusing that his response was more or less a commercial for PDAudio and the mic2496 he sells.
i find it amusing that his response was more or less a commercial for PDAudio and the mic2496 he sells.
i wasnt trying to start a flame fest - i was simply trying to bring additional information and another perspective to light...
i wasnt trying to start a flame fest - i was simply trying to bring additional information and another perspective to light...
As long as the digi in is decent, and I can use it to stealth, all is good with me.
I look at the size of the Maudio and I have a hard time believing that it will perform as this giant killer given that at the sale price of $399
I would never think that the microtrack would stand up to the 722, but a V3>microtrack might certainly stand up to it, and may well be better to some ears. It might stack up as well as V2>722, esp depending on your tastes, and would be smaller and cheaper.
That to me is pretty exciting, since it may well mean that 24-bit taping becomes the typical standard, not just done by the few with a 722 or the few that have the stomach to figure out how to reliably record 24 bit on a laptop or PDA.
I was wondering if you somehow thought folks were thinking that the microtrack in some way fit the same niche as the 722.
Len makes a basic mistake in that this is not M-Audios first portable DC mic pre/phantom device.
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this is a pro-sumer device, no one should be expecting this to be a serious competitor to the 722/744, CantarX, Xeva, etc...it's not and doesnt pretend to be.
Len makes a basic mistake in that this is not M-Audios first portable DC mic pre/phantom device.
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this is a pro-sumer device, no one should be expecting this to be a serious competitor to the 722/744, CantarX, Xeva, etc...it's not and doesnt pretend to be.
First Len is an idiot. Basically his take has always been if you don't buy his gear, you're buying crap. But usually it's the other way around.
Second, I've never seen the Deva referred to as the Xeva. I'll have to remember that one. ;D
Second, I've never seen the Deva referred to as the Xeva. I'll have to remember that one. ;D
Second, I've never seen the Deva referred to as the Xeva. I'll have to remember that one. ;D
It's a custom piece only available for Warrior Princesses. :P
I'll echo what has been said already -- I don't think any of the folks who are so excited about the MicroTracker believe it will be a giant killer. I think the great hope is that this will become a modern replacement to the Sony portable DAT. That is, it will be a good unit to capture digital bits, particularly 24-bit digital bits. And it can function as a decent stealth recorder. I'm sure lots of folks will want to stealth only with the Microtracker if it is any good at all, just like there are plenty of people who stealth with nothing but a D8. But many other stealthers can still use it paired with a modSBM1 to make high quality 16-bit recordings, without (hopefully) the finickyness of DAT decks or the fragility of optical cables (not to mention the size of the JB3). If the line-in is any good, a 24-bit DPA 4061> DPA MMA6000> Microtracker could be a very nice, high end, and compact stealth setup.
And many other folks like me will want to run the microtrack as a bit capture device. I would never think that the microtrack would stand up to the 722, but a V3>microtrack might certainly stand up to it, and may well be better to some ears. It might stack up as well as V2>722, esp depending on your tastes, and would be smaller and cheaper. Bottom line, the microtracker I don't think is expected to be a giant killer on its own, but it stands a chance to really open up the field of 24-bit taping. 24-bit stealth taping, and 24-bit taping with a MMe, a V3, a modUA5, or a AD2k+, without the need for a laptop. That to me is pretty exciting, since it may well mean that 24-bit taping becomes the typical standard, not just done by the few with a 722 or the few that have the stomach to figure out how to reliably record 24 bit on a laptop or PDA.
I wrote M-Audio's tech dept about the 2gb limit on file size. This is the response I got back from them.
1.We'll have full audio specs posted soon.
2.I believe the total amount of files allowed on one piece of media is
9,999.
3.There is no limit to the size of CF or Microdrive that you can use
with the product. We will make a list of approved media and ones that
we know to have issues upon release.
The battery is an internal lithium ion. It can be charged via USB from
the computer or from the included power supply. No other batteries can
be used.
4.capable of 24/96 recording. However, its 24/96 recording is done as
PCM Wav files; not as MP3 format. For MP3 format, it is limited to 44.1k
or 48k recording.
5.Battery charging time is unknown at this time.
Product has a tentative ship date of early SEPT.
Does not have these features:
Will it feature an 'autopause' option
That is will it pause after a
track is played and cue the next track?
Will it feature some sort of track list or folder menu so that you
can establish a sequence of tracks to be played?
Is it possible to attach a footswitch to it for play/stop function?
Did he answer my question? I don't think so.
The battery is an internal lithium ion. It can be charged via USB from
the computer or from the included power supply. No other batteries can
be used.
no mp3 24 bits??were fucked.Joking, right? ???
no mp3 24 bits??were fucked.Joking, right? ???
24-bit FLAC would be awesome; 2GB CF would suffice in trade for some battery time.
SO exited! Does anyone know dealers/adresses of company selling this unit in Europe?
not if it starts a seamless track automatiucally or maunally
still blows tho :(
FAT32 doesn't support files over 2gb. And there's no digital out over coax - that's an input only.
well, thats cool, cause alot of the bigger editing programs ala wavelab/soundforge dont play nicely w/ files over 2GB anyway, BUT if it doesnt have a seamless auto split function or something, or at least a manual 'fast forward' button ala the jb3, so a seamless track can be started, i am gonna keep looking for a diff 24-bit recorder, prolly the pmd-671 if this doesnt pan out!
Will my 4GB microdrive be too slow for use with the MicroTrack?
Or should I consider spending the extra $$ on a 4GB CompactFlash card instead?
It appears the MicroTrack starts shipping in a week. :) According to www.mtlc.net,i'll believe it when i see it.
"Great News! The M Audio Micro Track 2496 is scheduled to start shipping from M Audio on August 15th! Pre-order now for free upgraded shipping as soon as our first shipment arrives!"
I think you should anyway, as there are many downsides to going with a microdrive. With CF cards you don't need to worry at all about heat or vibrations, which is why many people are considering the MicroTrack. However, until CF drops to a price point you're more comfortable with the microdrive will work just fine.
I was looking at the dimensions of the MicroTrack on the M-Audio website. It's about the same size as many cellphones. So I was thinking... For stealth taping, one could probably place the MicroTrack in a leather belt-clip cellphone holster and walk right into a venue past security with it clipped onto your belt. Unless they examine closely, security will think it's a cellphone. Once I get my MicroTrack, I'll look for a leather cellphone holster that's the right size. What would really be cool is if some enterprising Ebay seller could create a plastic clip-on phonepad for the MicroTrack to give it even more the appearance of a cellphone. Stick the MicroTrack with fake phonepad in a belt holster and you're good to go. No need to even attempt hiding it.
Not sure if this has been posted yet - you can download a small video where a M-Audio representative explains the features of the MicroTrack on the actual device. No new info whatsoever but I found it nice to watch.
http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2287#
Not sure if this has been posted yet - you can download a small video where a M-Audio representative explains the features of the MicroTrack on the actual device. No new info whatsoever but I found it nice to watch.
http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2287#
Humurous to watch the video and see that when he goes to show the quarter-inch mic inputs, you can see right through the unit and out the rca jacks on the other side. Demo unit with no guts inside? Probably so...
dB-
do y'all have a preferred compact flash card reader ?
The new product page for the MicroTrack on M-Audio's website now has screenshots of the menus.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html
Looks like the recordings are saved as "file001.wav". One thing I'll miss about the JB3...the recording name standard where it saves as the date.
More than likely it'll have a creation date on it, though.
shipping today
shipping today
EXCUSE ME, WHAT????
shipping today
EXCUSE ME, WHAT????
not. :-* i knew that would get a rise pretty quick. so much chatter about this thing, i'm hoping everytime is see a 'new' post indicator, it's actually frank sayiing he received his shipment
Of course it did! +T to you for getting me on that one. I'm just heading to Portland in a few hours and would love to be able to walk in to Cascade and walk out with a new toy!
BTW, check it out - 4GB CF for $182 shipped:
http://dealmac.com/deals/Kingston-4-GB-Elite-Pro-Compact-Flash-Card-for-182-shipped-after-rebate/93103.html
Oh man that is soo cool. I think I'm gonna bite. Accepts microdrives and Hitachi now has 6gig ones for around $250. Pick up and couple of those and an external battery and be good to go for 2496.
Just pre-ordered mine through www.djmart.com Their price is $399.99, but you'll get 10% off during checkout using the coupon code AUGUST10. Total including shipping was $368.00 DJMart also has a "negotiate your price" option, but didn't bother trying it to see if I could get the price down even more. $360 with the 10% off coupon code is a pretty good deal already. I can't see them going much lower than that, but I'd be curious if anyone does get a better price through negotiation. DJMart expects to receive their first shipment within the next couple weeks.
i doubt any of us will have any trouble stealthing it, considering the sizes of things stealthed in the past. to me, that isn't a worry at all.
I understand that House of Blues wands everyone and is tough to stealth.
fwiw i think franks list at cascademedia still has room on it...he made it sound like he was getting a big old shipment and had room for more on the list.
So how are we going to short hand this device for the recording info
PS: I think we're way past the vaporware stage on this one.
I understand that House of Blues wands everyone and is tough to stealth.
I understand that House of Blues wands everyone and is tough to stealth.
Using the Jedi minds tricks on the security seems to work just fine ;D
Actually I was at a HOB the weekend before last and there were two girls in front of me, trying to bring in a total of 5 cameras between them. The security guy was so excited with his find that he turned to me and said "I hit the mother load!" and gave me a half-hearted search and quick wand. Got in no problem... So just have someone setup decoys in front of you ;)
Later,
pjdavep
BTW, check it out - 4GB CF for $182 shipped:
http://dealmac.com/deals/Kingston-4-GB-Elite-Pro-Compact-Flash-Card-for-182-shipped-after-rebate/93103.html
Yeah, that was in the Retail Forum. Jumped on that. Thanks for lookin out Dave!
Two cameras I understand, for 3-D, but five? Are the video folks doing surround-sound now? :o
Jeff
So how are we going to short hand this device for the recording info
the big question is, who on the waiting list will be sending their unit to Leggeddy for VR box development.
I'll probably just call it MicroTrack...that is, once all you guinea pigs have worked the bugs out of thebetafirst release. ;)
So how are we going to short hand this device for the recording info
What's so bad about MicroTrack? ???
i'm gonna label it "MicroTRax0R fUcKing GIanT KillaR OMG LOL WTF!?!11!!"
wtf does it matter? people never label shit the same anyways...
thanks for all this discussion - you all have answered most of my questions! ;D
A few more...I've been taping for a while, but i don't know $hit about the technology/terminology
current rig is
dpa 4060 -> modSBM1 -> D100
transfer coax digi out/in to an maudio soundcard
-what is the advantage of going 24bit compared to 16bit (in basic terms?) how about 48 compared to 96?
-for playback, what is needed for 24bit?
-I don't have firewire, and I don't think my usb port is the fastest (my computer is ~2yrs old) - what is my best bet for transfers? is there anything I can buy to upgrade?
-what are the options for charging/powering this thing in the field? any stealth options?
-this stuff about 2gig max, when you either hit the 2gig limit or stop - how easy is it to start a new recording?
-i'll keep my 4060's - but I won't be able to use my sbm1 if I want to record in 24bit, right? what are the options for recording in 24b - or would it be fine to go straight into the maudio?
(obviously most/all of you don't have this yet, so these are just shots in the dark...)
thanks! this thing looks cool, i'm psyched about it
so the sbm-1 acts as an a/d converter - and also 'adds' to the sound? (i might be talking out of my @ss here, so feel free to correct me on what it does)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicroTrack/
here's another outlet to possibly purchase this from
399 sale price with free shipping.
So dam tempted to drop the hammer on this...
hi from france ;o)Hmmm. looks OK, slightly better than the older portable Sony DAT-decks.
the specs for microtrack are online on m-audio site...
it looks interesting, no?
1/4" Mic/Line Inputs
Maximum Input Level: +4.3dBu, balanced; +2.1dBV, unbalanced
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -100dB, A-weighted
Dynamic Range: 100dB, A-weighted
THD+N: 0.003% (-90dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.3dB @ 48kHz sample rate
Pre-amp Gain: > 55dB
Phantom Power: switchable phantom power
Hello,Preroll requires RAM. RAM costs and adds to the total price.
Excuse my poor English, I'm French.
I'd like to know if there will be a preroll recording function on the MicroTrack.
Hello,
Excuse my poor English, I'm French.
I'd like to know if there will be a preroll recording function on the MicroTrack.
This is a very usefull function (for people who intend to use it on shootings with a mixer for example).
I saw nothing like a preroll function in the MicroTrack specifications and it would be a pity it doesn't have this function.
One large advantage to the PMD 660 IMO is the XLR inputs. This leaves you with more flexibiity. Does anyone know of an official release date?
Keith
One large advantage to the PMD 660 IMO is the XLR inputs. This leaves you with more flexibiity. Does anyone know of an official release date?
Keith
thanks man...maybe it was a different marantz....650 perhaps??670??
that hadnt been released yet..
Can you do phantom without XLR? I assume no, but don't know for sure.
1/4" Mic/Line Inputs
Maximum Input Level: +4.3dBu, balanced; +2.1dBV, unbalanced
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -100dB, A-weighted
Dynamic Range: 100dB, A-weighted
THD+N: 0.003% (-90dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.3dB @ 48kHz sample rate
Pre-amp Gain: > 55dB
Phantom Power: switchable phantom power
thanks man...maybe it was a different marantz....650 perhaps??670??
that hadnt been released yet..
maybe the 671?
http://www.cascademedia.net/products.asp?catid=94&prodid=1771
thanks man...maybe it was a different marantz....650 perhaps??670??
that hadnt been released yet..
maybe the 671?
http://www.cascademedia.net/products.asp?catid=94&prodid=1771
The Marantz PMD-671 has been released and available for a little while now. actually I was very close to buying one, but the week it was released, talk about the M-Audio device started up, so I decided to wait it out. If the Microtrack doesn't work out, for whatever reason, the 671 is a good alternative to get S/PDIF input and record 24 bit onto flash cards (although more expensive).
100 dB of dynamic with 55 db of gain for the analog mic input is really good, specially for such small (and affordable) portable device. Hope there's no trick (like phantom power leak).
1/4" Mic/Line Inputs
Maximum Input Level: +4.3dBu, balanced; +2.1dBV, unbalanced
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -100dB, A-weighted
Dynamic Range: 100dB, A-weighted
THD+N: 0.003% (-90dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.3dB @ 48kHz sample rate
Pre-amp Gain: > 55dB
Phantom Power: switchable phantom power
100 dB dynamic range is under 17 bits. The old M1 claimed 87 dB
dynamic range. What's happening to the rest of the bits? And if
I go in with levels set too low, will this mean I'm still screwed?
Jeff
You can make a good 16-bit recording I guess with just the microtracker.
1/4" Mic/Line Inputs
Maximum Input Level: +4.3dBu, balanced; +2.1dBV, unbalanced
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -100dB, A-weighted
Dynamic Range: 100dB, A-weighted
THD+N: 0.003% (-90dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.3dB @ 48kHz sample rate
Pre-amp Gain: > 55dB
Phantom Power: switchable phantom power
100 dB dynamic range is under 17 bits. The old M1 claimed 87 dB
dynamic range. What's happening to the rest of the bits? And if
I go in with levels set too low, will this mean I'm still screwed?
100 dB dynamic range is under 17 bits.
And if I go in with levels set too low, will this mean I'm still screwed?
Thanks for for this table to put things into perspective.100 dB dynamic range is under 17 bits.
For reference, A-weighted dyn range specs for some other gear:
Dyn Range | Corresponding bit-depth | Device
114 | 19.0 | Sound Devices 722
110 | 18.3 | Grace Design Lunatec V3
105 | 17.5 | Apogee MiniMe *
100 | 16.6 | M-Audio MicroTrack
87 | 14.5 | Sony M1
83 | 13.8 | Edirol R1
* no indication in their specs if this is A-weighted or not.
better than the average DAT?
so it really can't record 24bit on its own? or it needs an external a/d to do it?
if the price of the mod isn't too much this might be a great option. definitely smaller than the fr2, and costs a little less too!
100 dB dynamic range is under 17 bits.
For reference, A-weighted dyn range specs for some other gear:
Dyn Range | Corresponding bit-depth | Device
114 | 19.0 | Sound Devices 722
110 | 18.3 | Grace Design Lunatec V3
105 | 17.5 | Apogee MiniMe *
100 | 16.6 | M-Audio MicroTrack
87 | 14.5 | Sony M1
83 | 13.8 | Edirol R1
The mic input is powered, so you *could* power your mics with it, but I think it's only 5 volts, so they'll likely be underpowered and prone to overloading easily. If you use the battery box, you'll need to use the 1/4" line ins...and get all sorts of adapters.
The mic input is powered, so you *could* power your mics with it, but I think it's only 5 volts, so they'll likely be underpowered and prone to overloading easily. If you use the battery box, you'll need to use the 1/4" line ins...and get all sorts of adapters.
Thinking of one of these, to run from an MMA6000:
(http://www.soundprofessionals.com/mas_assets/full/SP-PHON-MINI-2.jpg)
The microphones I'll be using with my MicroTrack are Sound Pro SP-CMC-4 AT853's.
The microphones I'll be using with my MicroTrack are Sound Pro SP-CMC-4 AT853's.
Or you could lose the battery box, convert the mics to accept phantom power, and run mics > phantom power adapter > MicroTracker. I'm not real familiar with your mics, so depending on the connectors, you may need adapters to switch around from1/8" mini,XLR, 1/4", etc.
This (http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=Adpt2QmmMsf&preadd=action) was posted here before:
(http://www.audiogear.com/Resources/~Adpt2QmmMsf) It may come in handy?
Oh, also, those cables that WifiJeff has pictured may not fit in the Microtracker. I'm not saying they won't, but the microtracker is pretty small and its 1/4" inputs are pretty close together. Those cables have pretty large bodies for the 1/4" plugs, so I'm just wondering whether they can fit side by side in the Microtracker.
yes you can connect a sbm1 but sbm1 is only good for 16 bits.
yes you can connect a sbm1 but sbm1 is only good for 16 bits.
cool - what connection would i use from sbm1 -> m-audio?
Only problem I see with that is it isn't TRS.
This may be a stupid question, but...why would you need TRS for mono inputs? Don't you just need left/ground on one and right/ground on the other?
Didn't catch it was a female 1/8 > 1/4. If not using the phantom, then I guess there is no reason to have it TRS.
I talked to a sales engineer from sweetwater.com
and he is ok with me posting his name, which I did not think he would have a problem
he was very cool with me when I bought my v3 off of him and he just followed up with me here 6 months later
just to see how everything was going. As sales people go he is very laid back imo.
Anyway his name is Charlie Livingston and his contact number is 1-800-222-4700 ext. 1390
the url for the tracker is http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicroTrack/
I realize I posted earlier about sweetwater selling it for 399 + free shipping
I just wanted to get his name out for everyone. I am not making anything off of this that's for sure.
He claims they are expecting a shipment of 54 in on 9-9-05, yet he says do not hold your breath on this
as we all should know. They will take your order though and will not bill you until the unit ships to you.
He also stated 18 of them have been reserved already.
I talked to a sales engineer from sweetwater.com
and he is ok with me posting his name, which I did not think he would have a problem
he was very cool with me when I bought my v3 off of him and he just followed up with me here 6 months later
just to see how everything was going. As sales people go he is very laid back imo.
Anyway his name is Charlie Livingston and his contact number is 1-800-222-4700 ext. 1390
the url for the tracker is http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicroTrack/
I realize I posted earlier about sweetwater selling it for 399 + free shipping
I just wanted to get his name out for everyone. I am not making anything off of this that's for sure.
He claims they are expecting a shipment of 54 in on 9-9-05, yet he says do not hold your breath on this
as we all should know. They will take your order though and will not bill you until the unit ships to you.
He also stated 18 of them have been reserved already.
Thats the same price as cascade, correct??
If so, why not support the people who support this community. ?
I talked to a sales engineer from sweetwater.com
and he is ok with me posting his name, which I did not think he would have a problem
he was very cool with me when I bought my v3 off of him and he just followed up with me here 6 months later
just to see how everything was going. As sales people go he is very laid back imo.
Anyway his name is Charlie Livingston and his contact number is 1-800-222-4700 ext. 1390
the url for the tracker is http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicroTrack/
I realize I posted earlier about sweetwater selling it for 399 + free shipping
I just wanted to get his name out for everyone. I am not making anything off of this that's for sure.
He claims they are expecting a shipment of 54 in on 9-9-05, yet he says do not hold your breath on this
as we all should know. They will take your order though and will not bill you until the unit ships to you.
He also stated 18 of them have been reserved already.
Thats the same price as cascade, correct??
If so, why not support the people who support this community. ?
Does Cascade have free shipping?
Cascade is selling it for 350 I think and they are charging shipping.