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Title: What are BK 4011???
Post by: slightlys on August 12, 2005, 02:35:40 AM
I know they  are mics but made by who? I just picked up a '93 phish show taped with some of these and it hard for me to belive its not a soundboard recording! Its is so clear and detailed! blows my mind!
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: dgodwin on August 12, 2005, 02:41:13 AM
B & K, as in Brüel & Kjaer.  Now DPA (danish pro Audio)  As seen here (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/module.php?MID=101&itemid=4011&function=pdescription)   Nice mics!
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: slightlys on August 12, 2005, 02:42:39 AM
they are listed at $1900 each ouch! it sucks being broke
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: plucks on August 12, 2005, 09:26:35 AM
I know they are mics but made by who? I just picked up a '93 phish show taped with some of these and it hard for me to belive its not a soundboard recording! Its is so clear and detailed! blows my mind!

It has been agreed upon that while B&K/DPAs may not be as forgiving and therefore consistent as Neumann/Schoeps/AkG, when it all works out, the DPAs will usually blow just about anything out of the water.  When you say it sounds like a soundboard, its not entirely surprising. 

They are expensive, but right now with the way the Euro v Dollar is, most mics have had a price increase in the States.  They are worth the price if you want to invest tho. 

I can't wait to join team DPA one of these days.
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: heath on August 12, 2005, 09:39:50 AM


I can't wait to join team DPA one of these days.

qft
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: muj on August 12, 2005, 10:30:07 AM

you can try the gefell m294/295 to get a similar sound or the sanken cu-31's.

not sure if they are cheaper..but you should find them used somewhere on the wen
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Swanny on August 24, 2005, 11:43:35 AM
If you are going to buy, get the 402x series. They sound the same but are much smaller.
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Nick's Picks on August 30, 2005, 02:30:33 PM
I dont think they sound the same as the 4011.
but thats me.

Personaly, I dont like them.  But I have doezens of amazing...astounding AUD sources from them.
funny...I still dont like them.
:)
they are dry sounding to me.  I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Zee on August 30, 2005, 03:03:18 PM
I dont think they sound the same as the 4011.
but thats me.

Personaly, I dont like them.  But I have doezens of amazing...astounding AUD sources from them.
funny...I still dont like them.
:)
they are dry sounding to me.  I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.


I dont like the 4011s either the 402X series sound a lot better to me. I could be bias but what ever you like what you like....


Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: leegeddy on August 30, 2005, 03:06:17 PM
..... I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.


 ;D

me too.

marc
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: marc0789 on August 30, 2005, 03:07:15 PM
I dont think they sound the same as the 4011.
but thats me.

Personaly, I dont like them.  But I have doezens of amazing...astounding AUD sources from them.
funny...I still dont like them.
:)
they are dry sounding to me.  I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.


doug had a comment awhile back that he agrees the 4011 and 402x do not sound the same. I agree. I ran the 4011's and I think the bodyless have a bit more warmth and forgiveness...a bit, but enough to make a difference.

I dont like the 4011s either the 402X series sound a lot better to me. I could be bias but what ever you like what you like....



Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Nick's Picks on August 30, 2005, 04:27:58 PM
well, no doubt, the 4011/4022s rock, no matter who likes/dislikes them, they are a benchmark cardioid mic.  I still can't believe the bottom end of a 40hz 4011.  amazing
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: JasonSobel on August 30, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
I still can't believe the bottom end of a 40hz 4011.  amazing

as I'm sure you know, though, the mic does pick up sounds below 40Hz, just not within their +/- 2dB spec for the mic.  and when publishing specs for the mic, they preferred to say 40Hz-20kHz +/-2dB  instead of 20Hz-20kHz +/- 8dB or whatever happens to the frequency response below 40Hz.  while the graph just stops at 40, I wonder how steeply (or not) they actually drop off. 
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Nick's Picks on August 30, 2005, 05:48:03 PM
i didn't know that.
+T !
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Tim on August 30, 2005, 06:17:50 PM
me neither

good stuff, thanks Jason
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Krispy D on August 30, 2005, 06:31:27 PM
I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.


mmmm,  sloppy and wet.......
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: F.O.Bean on October 14, 2005, 04:37:50 PM
to my knowledge, b+k never made guns ???
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: marc0789 on October 14, 2005, 04:53:27 PM
to my knowledge, b+k never made guns ???

ditto.
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: jpschust on October 14, 2005, 05:04:02 PM
didnt b&k make a large diaphragm mic in the the 3000 series that looked like a big ass shotgun?
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: Nick Graham on October 14, 2005, 05:23:21 PM
I have a retired taper from Denver sending me 20 of his dats to transfer and send back to him.  He said his rig was:

B&K shotguns > Lunatec v2 >Tascam DA-P1

What is the model designation for the B&K shotguns?  All of these shows were recorded in the early > mid '90s.

He is a very busy man who isn't at the computer often, so correspondence between us is spotty, that's why I'm asking y'all.

Thanks -
Tim

FWIW, just to add to the confusion, the V2 wasn't introduced until '98....

Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: ethan on October 17, 2005, 10:46:58 AM


So my DPA 4011's come with their custom polar patterns and response chart from the factor. The response chart goes all the way to 20HZ and shows the response being ever so slightly below the -2 db line. So JasonSobel's post was right on the money. It would appear though that the <40Hz response doesn't degrade very much. From looking at my charts my 4011's are 20Hz-20KHz +/- 2.2 dB.

-e
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: F.O.Bean on October 18, 2005, 02:24:07 AM
I have a retired taper from Denver sending me 20 of his dats to transfer and send back to him.  He said his rig was:

B&K shotguns > Lunatec v2 >Tascam DA-P1

What is the model designation for the B&K shotguns?  All of these shows were recorded in the early > mid '90s.

He is a very busy man who isn't at the computer often, so correspondence between us is spotty, that's why I'm asking y'all.

Thanks -
Tim

I talked to my friend who said the model number is Bruel & Kjaer 4401.  Anyone ever heard of them?  I haven't had any luck with a google search.

nope, tried every search possible
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: scb on October 18, 2005, 02:44:26 PM
they claim they won't make a hyper because the more directional you get, the more unnatural the sound is (and dpa loves the natural/transparent sound)

so one would think they never had a shotgun

(i don't know of them ever making one, either)
Title: Re: What are BK 4011???
Post by: BC on October 18, 2005, 10:07:05 PM
I have a retired taper from Denver sending me 20 of his dats to transfer and send back to him.  He said his rig was:

B&K shotguns > Lunatec v2 >Tascam DA-P1

What is the model designation for the B&K shotguns?  All of these shows were recorded in the early > mid '90s.

He is a very busy man who isn't at the computer often, so correspondence between us is spotty, that's why I'm asking y'all.

Thanks -
Tim

I talked to my friend who said the model number is Bruel & Kjaer 4401.  Anyone ever heard of them?  I haven't had any luck with a google search.

nope, tried every search possible

me too beaner, this is kind of frustrating b/c he doesn't have the mics anymore.................

given the time frame I would think these have to be 4011's. One could imagine that it might be easy to confuse 4011 and 4401, just double up on the wrong number.  :P 
You might want to ask him what they looked like? If they are long full body mics they would probably be 4011's, I would also guess that they would either be cardioid or omnis since I don't think B&K made subcards back then, you might be able to tell what the pattern was from listening to the tapes...