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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: detroit lightning on October 18, 2005, 08:54:00 PM
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Anyone have experience with this yet? I know there has been a few issues w/ the digi in @ 24bit?
also - stupid question (it's actually my friends' V3, which i've never used)
whats the best connection option for v3 -> MT? I'm assuming V3 has a coax out?
also, could we run a separate dat line from the v3 as well - or would we have to patch out of the mt? (and what happens if the MT is recording in 24 bit?
thanks - as always, I appreciate the taper IQ on this board!
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what ive done is this:
from cascade, I purchased a $9 hosa spdif cable (so its the right size etc.)
this could come straight out of the v3 to the mt
but what I do is run my 7pin digi out of the v3, on the out line of the cable, I put a splitter type thing on it, and run the hosa cable out of it so I run both my m1 and mt at the same time y0!
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The V3 has 3 digi outs, 1 s/pdif, 1 consumer AES, and 1 pro AES. The MT can take a signal from all of them, but you'll need an impedence transformer such as the Canare BCJ-XJ-TRB (http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=BCJ%2DXJ%2DTR&off=0&sort=prod) to use the AES jacks. You'll also need a BNC adapter so you can then attach a coax cable to it. Get 2 of these and you'll have 3 digi outs available.
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There are many of us here who are running V3 > MicroTrack.
With the latest firmware (v1.1.5-BETA), the MicroTrack will record at 24 bit via the S/PDIF input, although only at 48 kHz. 24bit, 96 kHz is coming soon, hopefully.
as has been mentioned, the V3 has many digital outputs. but you can't send both a 16 bit signal and a 24 bit signal. all the digital outputs are either 24 bit or 16 bit. you can send a 24 bit, 48 kHz digital signal to a DAT deck, and it'll truncate the 8 least significant digits, and only record 16 bit, 48 kHz. truncating probably isn't the best way to run a DAT back-up. if I were you, I'd run analog out of the V3 into your DAT deck line-in. although your DAT deck probably doesn't have as good of an A/D, you are still taking advantage of the wonderful pre-amp of the V3, and you won't have small digital artifacts left in the recording from the truncated signal.
that's the short answer. search around a little, and you'll find PLENTY of information. this has been covered a lot in the past.
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fwiw. i ran a jb3 as a backup to my usbpre>lappy. i did just as jason says, analog out of usbpre>line in of jb3. yes it was truncated, but if solely using it as a backup its not a bad thing. god forbid youd have to splice the 16 bit copy to make a 24bit complete. it is not ideal, but its doable and listenable. ymmv.
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fwiw. i ran a jb3 as a backup to my usbpre>lappy. i did just as jason says, analog out of usbpre>line in of jb3. yes it was truncated, but if solely using it as a backup its not a bad thing. god forbid youd have to splice the 16 bit copy to make a 24bit complete. it is not ideal, but its doable and listenable. ymmv.
if you ran analog out of the usb pre>jb3, then there is no truncating going on, now if you ran the v3 at 24-bit and sent that signal to the mT and the same digi signal to the jb3, THEN the jb3 copy would be truncated
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I have run the V3>MT 2 times @ 24 bit with no problem.
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btw if you have a 2 ended 7 pin you can just run v3 > m1 > mt if you want- im doing essentially that on friday.
184 > 148 > sbm-1 > d8 > mt (just not comfortable enough with the mt to run it alone)
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V3 digi>MT can give you flipped channels.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=52058.0
I ran my D8 as a backup to the MT last week, taking the AES1 out of the V3 to the MT at 24/44.1 using an adapter cable from Leegeddy. No impedance transformer but it seemed to work fine.
Took the V3 SPDIF out to the D8, truncating down to 16 bit. I have to say that it sounded fine on a casual listen, didn't compare to the 24 bit file, but I would have to say IMHO that the truncated tape is totally listenable, there was nothing obvious like glitches/pops/distortion/diginoise on the DAT.
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V3 digi>MT can give you flipped channels.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=52058.0
I have to say that it sounded fine on a casual listen, didn't compare to the 24 bit file, but I would have to say IMHO that the truncated tape is totally listenable, there was nothing obvious like glitches/pops/distortion/diginoise on the DAT.
thats great news ;D lemme know whatcha think of the truncated tape on the d-8 bud!
if i get the pmd-671 or this, i woulkd still like to have a listenable jb3 around for after shows, car ride, etc anyway, so that could def be a great thing, i dont think ive ever heard a truncated tape, at least that i knew of
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Every time i done a 24 bit recording (many times) I've allways done a truncated (from a 24 bit digital signal) to my JB3 for the car ride home and it sounds good, not something I would recomend for archiving or distribution, but for the ride home or backup in case of emergency it sounds ok.
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
youd be limited to 16-bith tho
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
youd be limited to 16-bith tho
its going to a D100 anyways...
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
sure it would make sense.. the sbm process of the sbm1 is different sounding a>d stage than the 24>16ansr of the v3.. the sbm will be fluid and slightly dark, while the ansr is a bit brighter and more accurate.. I like both, but I run the ansr..
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
youd be limited to 16-bith tho
its going to a D100 anyways...
ahhh, my bad, I saw the v3>MT thread name and mustve skipped over that part ;D
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
sure it would make sense.. the sbm process of the sbm1 is different sounding a>d stage than the 24>16ansr of the v3.. the sbm will be fluid and slightly dark, while the ansr is a bit brighter and more accurate.. I like both, but I run the ansr..
I was going to ask the same question about running the 16 bit backup V3 > SBM-1 > JB3. Doing this you don't end up with a truncated backup copy correct?
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would it make sense to run V3 (analog out) -> sbm1 -> d100, to take advantage of the sbm1 a/d?
sure it would make sense.. the sbm process of the sbm1 is different sounding a>d stage than the 24>16ansr of the v3.. the sbm will be fluid and slightly dark, while the ansr is a bit brighter and more accurate.. I like both, but I run the ansr..
I was going to ask the same question about running the 16 bit backup V3 > SBM-1 > JB3. Doing this you don't end up with a truncated backup copy correct?
correct
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gracias.
It would be an expensive way to run a backup, though. I'd still like to play with the JW Mod 460 > M148 > mod sbm-1 rig though ;D
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I'm just getting my MT2496 up and running and I'm probably going to test it out at Ratdog tomorrow night. One problem is my coax cables don't fit into the S/PDIF connection. Where would someone recommend me get one in Chicago tomorrow? Guitar Center? Best Buy? Radio Shack? Otherwise I'll just blow it off and order online to make sure I'm ready to go for Wilco next Tuesday.
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fwiw I got mine from cascademedia.net for 9 dollars (hosa coax)
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I'm just getting my MT2496 up and running and I'm probably going to test it out at Ratdog tomorrow night. One problem is my coax cables don't fit into the S/PDIF connection. Where would someone recommend me get one in Chicago tomorrow? Guitar Center? Best Buy? Radio Shack? Otherwise I'll just blow it off and order online to make sure I'm ready to go for Wilco next Tuesday.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102594&cp=&kw=right+angle+rca+connector&parentPage=search
Plug your existing coax into the female end of this and then connect the whole thing to the spdif in on the MT.