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Title: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 17, 2006, 02:21:06 PM
hello out there xD
this saturday the heavy metal show with "eisregen" starts and i am going to try for a stealth tape.
my new mics, "core sound low cost binaurals /w low sensivity option".
since i had no opportunity i have no experience with the mics, this concert will be the first.
as you know (the core sound website says so) these mics where especially made for sony's mz-r70 to avoid distortion.
len moskovit said to me via email, that these mics were created to put them directly into the mic-in.

BUT

some months ago i updated my iriver h120 with the rockbox firmware, which is able to record in wave (what is the profit of the "quality" option in the recording setup!? 44.1 is chosen already and it writes to wave!) and there is no need to take some more minidiscs with me.

so, what do you think is the better gear to tape with? are these mics useable with the iriver?
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: Weazel on January 17, 2006, 03:12:30 PM
i think that mic is compatible with the iriver  like all the other mics.
try iit to test run in front of your stereo.

Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 17, 2006, 03:59:53 PM
ok thanks for reply.

1.) but would you prefer the iriver?
2.) and what record level should i choose? [it is a small and loud hall]
3.) what is the profit of the "quality" option in the recording setup!? 44.1 is chosen already and it writes to wave!
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: Weazel on January 17, 2006, 04:36:46 PM
with the iriver you dont have to change discs. and you have on the fly gain control. you have level meters now in rockbox so don't let run to hot to the right. i think adc gain should be zero wich is equal to 'line in' standard. then go from the gain control in the recording screen from there to adjust the levels. if you have too low gain, wich i doubt, you can allways raise adc gain.

the quality option has no funktion, its a left over from the archoros recorder jukebox sourcecode . they didnt't remove it yet from the sourcecode.

 
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 17, 2006, 04:42:56 PM
with the iriver you dont have to change discs. and you have on the fly gain control. you have level meters now in rockbox so don't let run to hot to the right. i think adc gain should be zero wich is equal to 'line in' standard. then go from the gain control in the recording screen from there to adjust the levels. if you have too low gain, wich i doubt, you can allways raise adc gain.

the quality option has no funktion, its a left over from the archoros recorder jukebox sourcecode . they didnt't remove it yet from the sourcecode.

 

thanks man!! i think i will take along the iriver :D
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: Weazel on January 17, 2006, 04:49:44 PM
let me know how it goes.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 17, 2006, 04:50:28 PM
yeah i will!
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: Weazel on January 19, 2006, 10:24:03 PM
here is a core sound binaural / ihp120 source.
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=78667

sample sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: gl0bber on January 20, 2006, 08:36:43 AM
There are other differences as well.  The R70 doesn't provide digital upload, and records compressed ATRAC only.  So using the Rockbox firmware is clearly the way to go, IMHO.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 20, 2006, 12:45:48 PM
yes, the h120 is lossless.
but the mz-r70 only supports the "standard minidisc recording", is this already an atrac compression?
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: gl0bber on January 20, 2006, 01:40:00 PM
yes, the h120 is lossless.
but the mz-r70 only supports the "standard minidisc recording", is this already an atrac compression?

Yes, it is, I believe ATRAC4.  HiMD does lossless PCM.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: 1westkc3 on January 20, 2006, 05:09:39 PM
According to the MiniDisco folks the best you can do in PCM is about 28 minutes....that's alot of disc swapping.  Thumbs up to iRiver+Rockbox.  I've been using Shap MDs for a few years and just switched since the glitches have been worked out on the H1XXs.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: gl0bber on January 20, 2006, 06:07:57 PM
According to the MiniDisco folks the best you can do in PCM is about 28 minutes....that's alot of disc swapping.  Thumbs up to iRiver+Rockbox.  I've been using Shap MDs for a few years and just switched since the glitches have been worked out on the H1XXs.

HiMD discs can store 94 minutes of PCM, 7h 55m of SP.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 26, 2006, 09:51:08 AM
let me know how it goes.

your advice helped a lot! great result, more infos here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=58251.0
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: Weazel on January 27, 2006, 07:40:19 AM
great to hear it worked out, were the level meters usefull?
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: nameloc01 on January 27, 2006, 03:46:32 PM
you can record 1 hour and 34 minutes (lossless linear recording) on a hi-md with a 1gb minidisc.on lossy format you can get like 7 hours.stay away from that though.
Title: Re: Sony MZ-R70 vs. iRiver H120 + Rockbox
Post by: tod3sschu3tze on January 30, 2006, 12:31:40 PM
great to hear it worked out, were the level meters usefull?

yes extremely! just equilibrated the levels while the support band was playing :)