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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: jeromejello on March 07, 2006, 04:37:58 PM
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i am looking to get a small (read: stealthable) quality pre to run in front of my akg 460's and more likely, when stealthing, my AT853s. the 460's are currently not mod'd (although they may at some point). ultimately the short term goal will be a smoking stealth pre for my ATs... with long term some flavor for the 460s (and eventual dpa when i make the big upgrade).
my first choice has been a mp-2 (or i guess one of the offshoots if necessary), but since my 460's are stock (still kicking the nice transformer sound), i thought there might be too much warmth, to the point of overwhelming or distracting. so i thought i would ask some of the more slutty types which small pre would be a good fit. i imagine that just about anything pre-wise will be good infront of my AT853's, but are there ones that work in this combo better than others?
mp-2
mv-100
psp-2
sx-m2
(any other options??)
there is always just adding a ad-20 to my chain - get the gain and adc, but i am also looking towards the future where i can use the pre in front of an all in one box like the r-4 or 744t (since i will need the 4 tracks for a project)
thanks for any and all suggestions...
chris
(edit: typo)
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http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=60598.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=60598.0)
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Aerco MP2
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or just add some line transformers and a modsbm1 ;) that would sound SWEET :)
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i am looking to get a small (read: stealthable) quality pre to run in front of my akg 460's and more likely, when stealthing, my AT853s. the 460's are currently not mod'd (although they may at some point). ultimately the short term goal will be a smoking stealth pre for my ATs... with long term some flavor for the 460s (and eventual dpa when i make the big upgrade).
my first choice has been a mp-2 (or i guess one of the offshoots if necessary), but since my 460's are stock (still kicking the nice transformer sound), i thought there might be too much warmth, to the point of overwhelming or distracting. so i thought i would ask some of the more slutty types which small pre would be a good fit. i imagine that just about anything pre-wise will be good infront of my AT853's, but are there ones that work in this combo better than others?
mp-2
mv-100
psp-3
sx-m2
(any other options??)
there is always just adding a ad-20 to my chain - get the gain and adc, but i am also looking towards the future where i can use the pre in front of an all in one box like the r-4 or 744t (since i will need the 4 tracks for a project)
thanks for any and all suggestions...
chris
fwiw - i'm not so sure I really like the mp-2 in front of the modded 460s (if you go that route)
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gumbino, you have the mod and suggest the mp-2, and terripinj, you, not so much... i kinda always thought the mp-2 would be good for the 480 or mod 460 to give back the warmth...
terripin, did you run the mp-2 with stock 460's? if so, better or worse fit?
bean, i am thinking about a modsbm-1 as an option, but that means an extra box for stealth. i am currently in the process of getting my transformers worked out, but does the sbm also add clean gain?
the psp-2 has caught my eye with the fluffing, and i think its a tad smaller than the mp-2, which is good. my concern is the transformer gain may be too much warmth, i still want the akg sizzle, yo.
the sx-m2 might be too much, and frankly, if i was jones for the darkside or neumann sound, i could see splurging for that, but i dont think i really want to walk down that path.
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gumbino, you have the mod and suggest the mp-2, and terripinj, you, not so much... i kinda always thought the mp-2 would be good for the 480 or mod 460 to give back the warmth...
terripin, did you run the mp-2 with stock 460's? if so, better or worse fit?
bean, i am thinking about a modsbm-1 as an option, but that means an extra box for stealth. i am currently in the process of getting my transformers worked out, but does the sbm also add clean gain?
the psp-2 has caught my eye with the fluffing, and i think its a tad smaller than the mp-2, which is good. my concern is the transformer gain may be too much warmth, i still want the akg sizzle, yo.
the sx-m2 might be too much, and frankly, if i was jones for the darkside or neumann sound, i could see splurging for that, but i dont think i really want to walk down that path.
I got my mics already modded so I have never run stock 460's
i have run
mod 461 > mp-2 >mSBM-1
mod 461 > mp-2 > bm2p+ ua-5
mod 461 > bm2p+ ua-5
these were different shows, so the comparisons are not exactly scientific, but I liked the sound of the mod 461 > bm2p+ ua-5 best so far. don't get me wrong the other tapes sound really good as well but after hearing the combo with the ua-5 I knew I liked it much better. i thought the mp-2 would be a great combo with the mod 460s for the exact same reason you do, to add some warmth, but I think it doesn't do these mics justice at all. not as much detail and clean sound as I heard with the ua-5. i'm hoping to grab a 722 in the next week or 2 here, but I am a little leary now of the mod 460 > 722 combo. i need to find a really really clean and transparent pre to run behind them. i've heard others say the mod 460>v3 combo is a little bright but I don't know 1st hand. i do know that I fucking love these mics and don't want to get rid of them anytime soon, which should help limit my slutting once I collect my bonus ;D
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Aerco MP2
If you want samples of 46x>AERCO, shoot me a PM
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gumbino, you have the mod and suggest the mp-2, and terripinj, you, not so much... i kinda always thought the mp-2 would be good for the 480 or mod 460 to give back the warmth...
terripin, did you run the mp-2 with stock 460's? if so, better or worse fit?
bean, i am thinking about a modsbm-1 as an option, but that means an extra box for stealth. i am currently in the process of getting my transformers worked out, but does the sbm also add clean gain?
the psp-2 has caught my eye with the fluffing, and i think its a tad smaller than the mp-2, which is good. my concern is the transformer gain may be too much warmth, i still want the akg sizzle, yo.
the sx-m2 might be too much, and frankly, if i was jones for the darkside or neumann sound, i could see splurging for that, but i dont think i really want to walk down that path.
I got my mics already modded so I have never run stock 460's
i have run
mod 461 > mp-2 >mSBM-1
mod 461 > mp-2 > bm2p+ ua-5
mod 461 > bm2p+ ua-5
these were different shows, so the comparisons are not exactly scientific, but I liked the sound of the mod 461 > bm2p+ ua-5 best so far. don't get me wrong the other tapes sound really good as well but after hearing the combo with the ua-5 I knew I liked it much better. i thought the mp-2 would be a great combo with the mod 460s for the exact same reason you do, to add some warmth, but I think it doesn't do these mics justice at all. not as much detail and clean sound as I heard with the ua-5. i'm hoping to grab a 722 in the next week or 2 here, but I am a little leary now of the mod 460 > 722 combo. i need to find a really really clean and transparent pre to run behind them. i've heard others say the mod 460>v3 combo is a little bright but I don't know 1st hand. i do know that I fucking love these mics and don't want to get rid of them anytime soon, which should help limit my slutting once I collect my bonus ;D
Are we all talking the same pre? I'm talking about the Aerco MP2. Are you talking about the Sound Devices MP-2 or the Aerco unit Terrapinj?
I suggested the Aerco because it is often mentioned in the same circle as the M148 & PSP2. I have run the Mod 460's with the M148 and love it. I think there's a bonus with going with the Aerco in that you can buy them brand new, and the maker will help customize them in regards to variable gain, xlr in/outs, or xlr in > 1/8" out type of stuff.
There's something to be said for buying something that is made to order for your needs. If you want to hold off for a bit, I know Hammerhorror is expecting to get his new Aerco MP2 in the mail this week, and he just bought some Mod 460 bodies from me. I would imagine in a few weeks after he gets his caps, there will be some great tapes to listen to.
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gumbino, you have the mod and suggest the mp-2, and terripinj, you, not so much... i kinda always thought the mp-2 would be good for the 480 or mod 460 to give back the warmth...
terripin, did you run the mp-2 with stock 460's? if so, better or worse fit?
bean, i am thinking about a modsbm-1 as an option, but that means an extra box for stealth. i am currently in the process of getting my transformers worked out, but does the sbm also add clean gain?
the psp-2 has caught my eye with the fluffing, and i think its a tad smaller than the mp-2, which is good. my concern is the transformer gain may be too much warmth, i still want the akg sizzle, yo.
the sx-m2 might be too much, and frankly, if i was jones for the darkside or neumann sound, i could see splurging for that, but i dont think i really want to walk down that path.
I got my mics already modded so I have never run stock 460's
i have run
mod 461 > mp-2 >mSBM-1
mod 461 > mp-2 > bm2p+ ua-5
mod 461 > bm2p+ ua-5
these were different shows, so the comparisons are not exactly scientific, but I liked the sound of the mod 461 > bm2p+ ua-5 best so far. don't get me wrong the other tapes sound really good as well but after hearing the combo with the ua-5 I knew I liked it much better. i thought the mp-2 would be a great combo with the mod 460s for the exact same reason you do, to add some warmth, but I think it doesn't do these mics justice at all. not as much detail and clean sound as I heard with the ua-5. i'm hoping to grab a 722 in the next week or 2 here, but I am a little leary now of the mod 460 > 722 combo. i need to find a really really clean and transparent pre to run behind them. i've heard others say the mod 460>v3 combo is a little bright but I don't know 1st hand. i do know that I fucking love these mics and don't want to get rid of them anytime soon, which should help limit my slutting once I collect my bonus ;D
Are we all talking the same pre? I'm talking about the Aerco MP2. Are you talking about the Sound Devices MP-2 or the Aerco unit Terrapinj?
I suggested the Aerco because it is often mentioned in the same circle as the M148 & PSP2. I have run the Mod 460's with the M148 and love it. I think there's a bonus with going with the Aerco in that you can buy them brand new, and the maker will help customize them in regards to variable gain, xlr in/outs, or xlr in > 1/8" out type of stuff.
There's something to be said for buying something that is made to order for your needs. If you want to hold off for a bit, I know Hammerhorror is expecting to get his new Aerco MP2 in the mail this week, and he just bought some Mod 460 bodies from me. I would imagine in a few weeks after he gets his caps, there will be some great tapes to listen to.
sound devices
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i also was referring to the sound devices mp-2... i had forgotten that the aerco can also be referred to as mp-2.
+t to the thread, thanks for the help... any one else want to chime in... trolls? >:D
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In case you haven't seen this thread (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=56579.0) on the Aerco MP2. It's tiny at a little over 1.5" x 3" x 4". I'm really curious to hear Hammerhorror's recordings with this box.
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In case you haven't seen this thread (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=56579.0) on the Aerco MP2. It's tiny at a little over 1.5" x 3" x 4". I'm really curious to hear Hammerhorror's recordings with this box.
Alternatively, if you check out archive.org/audio and type 'aerco akg' into the search, you'll get a bunch of hits and even more hits if you just type 'aerco'. Don't think there are any 460>aerco sources, but enough from other mics to give you an idea.
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In case you haven't seen this thread (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=56579.0) on the Aerco MP2. It's tiny at a little over 1.5" x 3" x 4". I'm really curious to hear Hammerhorror's recordings with this box.
shoulda clarified the sound devices part from the get go, my bad
i'm interested to hear as well
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Thank you for this thread. Up until now I was very confused as to why there were two companies making the same box. ;D
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thanks to all who have replied so far... i think i am going to probably try out a SD MP-2 for now... i am basing this primarly on a) cost - about half of the psp-2/sx-m2/aerco MP-2 and b) gain - seems to be smoother then the other pres which have stepped gain.
worse case, i dont really like the combo and get something else, right?? ;D
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b) gain - seems to be smoother then the other pres which have stepped gain.
FWIW, the older Aerco MP2 had stepped gain. The new models can be made with variable gain.
Good luck with the SD MP-2
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b) gain - seems to be smoother then the other pres which have stepped gain.
FWIW, the older Aerco MP2 had stepped gain. The new models can be made with variable gain.
Good luck with the SD MP-2
thanks... i had seen that the varible gain was an option, but $750 is about twice what i want to spend on this toy. hell, if i was gonna throw some money around, i would just toss another couple hundred in the had and get my v3. i do look forward to hearing hammerhorror's mod 460>aerco mp-2
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not quite exactly what you're looking for but here is a recent show i taped mod 461 > SD mp-2 > bm2p+ ua-5. my first show up on the archive. gives a pretty good idea of the mod 461 > SD mp2 sound
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=34817 (http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=34817)
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Have you thought about this one?
The Beachtek DXA-10? http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=55071 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=55071) (has a pictorial of my setup as well)
It's a cheaper and smaller, runs on DC power but you WILL need some type of remote power to go more than 1 hour phantom (I haven't done any testing with just a 9V w/ PP). Maybe a lithium 9V would go more than 1 hour PP but like I said, I haven't done any testing. It's been real good to my AT853s (SP PP mod).
Gain and PP, what else do you need? ;D Nothing fancy but it does the trick and I have had none of the problems I had with the Boost Box (bass, brickwalling,etc).
It's not in the same league as the others but worth a consideration.
Here's the Beachtek link: http://beachtek.com/dxa10.html (http://beachtek.com/dxa10.html)
It's on BH Photo for around $260. You will need a custom battery connection to replace the 9v battery carriage but it can easily be done (so I have been told ;))