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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: gmm6797 on March 26, 2006, 01:53:31 AM
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Hi all, Greg here with more recording problems with the R1, looking for toughts and ideas on what may have caused this in hopes it does not happen again.
Billy Joel tonight, Syracuse Carrier dome, crappy taping seats, but I am in the building.
Start the R1 at the beginning of the show, Energizer e2 Lithium's on board, used once for right around 2 hours. Simpletech GB CF card. Same setup as used the week before for Queen (see Dime for the BT) with no problems, NIN with no problems (including getting shoved around a few times), and +Live+ back in February.
Check the deck a few minutes into the show, and it is no longer recording and off. Turn it back on, check it between every song, and a few minutes later on, same thing, and again a 3rd time.
The batteries were fine, as every time I turned it back on it ran for a while, and even now (at home) it is running with no problems.
Anyone experienced this kind of a problem, where the unit is shutting itself off out of the clear blue?
Any thoughts or input is appreciated.
Thanks
Greg
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Did you format the CF before the show?
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I agree that the first step should be to try with a reformatted CF.
But I once had an issue with a set of lithium AAs (not the Energizers but a knockoff, though I had never had any prior issues with the cheaper ones, using perhaps 200 or more and getting about 8 hours from them generally). The R1 shut down, would restart but die (usually pretty quickly). The AAs tested good in a battery tester, but as soon as I put them into anything that would draw sizeable current they flaked out (had run about 4 hours before this happened). I REALLY hope that Enegergizers don't have this problem as well, but the claim is that they are made in the same factory.
Jeff
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The batteries were fine, as every time I turned it back on it ran for a while, and even now (at home) it is running with no problems.
Did you take the batteries out and put them back in before you tried running it again? Maybe they weren't making good contact?
I REALLY hope that Enegergizers don't have this problem as well, but the claim is that they are made in the same factory.
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Yes, formatted the CF in the bathroom while getting set up
Did not touch the batteries from when they were last used 7 days earlier. Everyone has stated 6+ hours on a fresh set, and they were only used about 2 hours last week.
Checking 2 of the 3 files, one is ~27 min and one is ~55min (3rd file needs another chkdsk)
Thanks
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Yes, formatted the CF in the bathroom while getting set up
Did not touch the batteries from when they were last used 7 days earlier. Everyone has stated 6+ hours on a fresh set, and they were only used about 2 hours last week.
Checking 2 of the 3 files, one is ~27 min and one is ~55min (3rd file needs another chkdsk)
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Since the R1 was turning off, then I guess it wasn't the CF format issue. However, since I started using mine I've always formatted it using the PC format instead of formatting in the R1. This probably isn't the reason why the R1 is shutting off though.
I can't comment on the batteries. I've always used rechargeables with mine and always recharged them up to about 1 hour before leaving for the show to make sure they were full.
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All I can say is crazy stuff.
I am going to mess with it some this week (once I get the Billy fixed or written off). As I have Mellencamp on the 5th and need a reliable recorder.
I thought I had seen some where on these boards that you should format the card in the R1 not the PC before use??? Ill have to see if I can dig that one up.
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Greg,
Hope you can fix your Billy tape...wait until you hear my fiasco last night.Let's just say there was a fat girl, a beer and a wet battery box!!! I was not HAPPY!!!!!....I will tell later this evening...
Chris
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I only use Energizer 2500mAh NiMH rechargeables in mine and have never had a problem. One thing I do do religiously is format the car in the recorder before each show. Don't know if this will help your situation, but the is the process I always follow and have never had a problem with my R1. Matter of fact, I'll be using it this coming Thursday to record Ratdog in Syracuse!
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Greg if you want to use my iriver for the mellencamp show you're welcome to. Its not 24 bit but its a nice recorder.
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Thanks for the offer, but I would go back to my M1 (DATs ready and available) before I would start trying to learn a new deck. I used the M1 for years, and can run it blindfolded :)
Greg if you want to use my iriver for the mellencamp show you're welcome to. Its not 24 bit but its a nice recorder.
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Thanks for the offer, but I would go back to my M1 (DATs ready and available) before I would start trying to learn a new deck. I used the M1 for years, and can run it blindfolded :)
Good point, didn't know if you still had that around, I thought for some reason you used to have DA-P1 when bob borrowed your gear once... could be wrong. I just know stealthing a DA-P1 will look like a severe case of elephantitus (sp?)
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Good point, didn't know if you still had that around, I thought for some reason you used to have DA-P1 when bob borrowed your gear once... could be wrong. I just know stealthing a DA-P1 will look like a severe case of elephantitus (sp?)
I know I am nuts, but DAP1 for "allowed taping" and M1 for "stealth" until I got the R1.... and I wont bother with the size of my nuts ;D :o
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could it be 1 of 2 bad batteries? I've had this happen with the energizer rechargables a number of times... 1 of them will be toast. Like gotta throw it away "toast".
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I had a similar problem recently with my R1 and a set of Energizer rechargeables where one of the cells went bad and caused the recorder to shut down several times. Even though the cells both charged up fine, they acted flaky when under a load. I'm sticking to fresh akalines every time now and have had no issues.
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What are people using to test/check their batteries?
On my NIMH batteries, I drain and fully charge them via the charger every now and then.
On my lithiums, I use them a few times (tracking approx time used) and then put them in things like remotes
Thanks
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I've seen the R1 stop by itself with new batteries fresh out of the packet.
Both Duracell and Energiser have caused the recorder to stop usually after a few minutes.
I now always use a new set of Duracell batteries for each set and start the recorder at least 10 minutes before the band are ready.
If the R1 is still recording when the band come on then I have some confidence that the batteries will last the whole set.
Either there are a lot of dodgy batteries being shipped as good or the R1 is very sensitive to the way the batteries are inserted into the battery compartment. I think it is the latter as I have tried apparently faulty batteries from the performance when I got home after the show and they recorded for over an hour and a half with no problems.
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After testing the unit with :
2 different CF cards, 4gb and 8gb
alkaline, lithium, 2000/2200/2300/2500 nimh batteries
and getting all sorts of different results, all bad
but perfect results with wall-wart power
Roland said I had to send it it, and it will take around 2 weeks to look at, so Ill have to be patient and run the M1 in the short term :-[
I will keep this thread up to date on this issue... may be I got a bum unit!
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I have a R-1 and have had some powering issues.....I don't get out much so most of my "testing" is done at home.....On several occasions the unit just dies and then runs for a while and then shuts down......I used 20 different sets of batteries.......The larger of the AA's (2500mAh) are a bit too large for the battery compartment. So me being the genius that I am decided to "modify " it slightly.....I cut the top coils off of the negative battery connections to increase clearance. But that didn't help. I noticed that the positive connectors were out of place and bent to the point that I could not repair it without disassembling the unit...So at this point it is at Edirol for repairs...I still waiting to hear from them....It's been about a week....I'll give them another week or so and then give them a call.....I'll let you know how it turns out...I'm sure they are going to ask "What idiot was screwing around with this thing ?" at which point I plan on pleading the fifth.
Peace,
JK
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Just to update everyone, I called Roland USA today, and they informed me that a replacement unit has shipped to me (will be here on Monday).
I asked for any technical details on the problems or issue, and all I was told was "they probably had to contact Japan, so it was just easier to send out a new one).
So, thanks for the replacement, but sorry the info wont help anyone else having similar issues.
It will get a complete test when it comes in.
PS - bought a used MT as a backup.... dumping the DAP1... no need for 2 CF recorders and 2 DAT decks, M1 as a total backup... or may be I am just a chicken ;D
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Just to update everyone, I called Roland USA today, and they informed me that a replacement unit has shipped to me (will be here on Monday).
I asked for any technical details on the problems or issue, and all I was told was "they probably had to contact Japan, so it was just easier to send out a new one).
So, thanks for the replacement, but sorry the info wont help anyone else having similar issues.
It will get a complete test when it comes in.
PS - bought a used MT as a backup.... dumping the DAP1... no need for 2 CF recorders and 2 DAT decks, M1 as a total backup... or may be I am just a chicken ;D
What is the external power supply voltage? Maybe this is the way to go. Oh yeah, and *solder* a pair of wires right onto the unit, don't use the power jack.
Richard
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The output listed on the power adapter is 3v 1a 3w
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out of curiosity, do you check levels alot using the backlighting???....I only had the r1 crap out one time, when I ended up staying for a 2nd show that I originally wasn't going to do, so I didn't bring an extra set of batteries.....anyway, shortly during the 2nd set, the meter showed low battery power.....kept looking at it, and looking at it and it was still going until I accidentally turned the dial, igniting the backlighting.....as soon as I did that, it powered down and wouldn't come back on......I wonder how much of a drain the backlighting is on the batteries, and if I hadn't used it at all, would I have gotten that complete 2nd show???....anyway, just a thought....
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out of curiosity, do you check levels alot using the backlighting???....
Very very little.... and when testing at home with these kinds of fully charged batteries, I had the same issue:
Alkaline (brand new)
Lithium (brand new)
2000 mAh
2300 mAh
2500 mAh
less than 1 hour of run time (max) before it would die... then put the batteries into another device, and it would work fine.
Roland replaced the unit for me, new one came on Monday, and so far, no issues. ;D
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i've never had any of these problems everyone is mentioning. I can consistantly get about 5.5-6 hours of recording on a set of 2500mah rechargeables. I only keep headphones plugged in when i want to listen to what i'm catching, otherwise i leave them out and just watch the meter. I set the display to the meter when i'm recording and then put on the "hold" switch. when i want to check the levels, i have a very small key chain flashlight to see the display if i'm in a dark setting. although i did find that if you are recording with any of the effects on, you use a lot more battery power than you normally would. With the EQ effect on, i have gotten about 3.5 hours out of a set of batteries. so far, i love my R1