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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: macroint on May 04, 2006, 12:18:11 PM
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Putting together a second rig for use at All Good...have all the primary ingredients except mics. I think I'm gonna be limited to using my credit card for this purchase, allotting myself about $600 (another $200 to remove "about"). I currently use SP-C4's and love them!
I'm not a mic geek and don't list configurations in my info files...so dumb it down if you use geek-speak. I'm looking for model recommendations as well as online retailers. I tape primarily in smaller venues. I'd prefer (but not required) small mics like the C4's (condensers?). As for mic recommendations, if you know a show available for download with those mics, let me know...
Also, while I'm at it...is there a screen available that you can put almost 360 degrees around the mics (or at least 180 degrees) that blocks extraneous noise? At both Sonar-Club stage and The Talking Head, beer bottles thrown in trash bins are killing me.
Thanks....
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a screen will not stop the beer bottle noise. You just need a more directional microphone.
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are you looking for the option of multiple caps as well? you could get a pair of km-184s within that price range if you just want a nicer pair of cards.
i'd concur that you probably could use some hyper caps to reject more of the bar noise. maybe check into the pelusos - you could get a matched set with a single pair of caps for right around 600 if you want to spend the full 800 you can probably get another set of caps. if you really want to step it up sell the c4s and get a pair of 463 or 483s if you can find a used pair.
i know you said you'd like something small like the C4s but you could also grab a pair of ADK TLs and have 4 patterns and still keep the c4s for when you want something small.
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Peluso CEMC6 is not too much larger than the C4's. A worthy upgrade, IMO, as well.
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SP LSD2 = $549.
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If you already have c-4 why not wait for the hypercaps they are testing? That will kill alot of bottle noise. Just a thought.
Clint
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have to throw in my recommendation for a pair of ADK 51 TL's....4 patterns, phat sound, great price
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I second the TL's!! I love them and their is no turnin' back. I also had (have) C4's and the multipatterns of the TL's are sweet especially like the omni's w/ J-disc. Can't waite to run them Blumlein and see what they can do.
Peace
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Another vote on the Peluso's. Sets are starting to show up used for around 5ish with used caps for low to mid 100's New matched set from soundpure 600+ with matched caps at 185. cards, hypers, subs, omnis, and the acitves coming soon(not soon enough :P ) If you want to hear some recording in different venues, I've got 3 or 4 going on etree right now. I've got nothing but good things to say about these mics. Great highs, bass that never ends, very detailed, transparent. Good luck on your search.
-Jon
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I'm leaning towards the Peluso CEMC6...I can get it new, with 3 of the 4 caps offered (card, hyper card, wide card & omni) for about $985. On the other hand, I just got a raise, a good one....so I can afford, and I'm willing to spend, up to $1200, but, again, have to use credit not cash.
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Pelusos would probably be the most flexible of all those mentioned.
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I'm leaning towards the Peluso CEMC6...I can get it new, with 3 of the 4 caps offered (card, hyper card, wide card & omni) for about $985. On the other hand, I just got a raise, a good one....so I can afford, and I'm willing to spend, up to $1200, but, again, have to use credit not cash.
I would seriously consider upgrading your pre/adc. I really think the AD20 is not very good at all. I base this on both listening and from looking at the circuit. I believe that it is a *low noise* pre, but it is not a *low distortion* one. The ADC is OK, but the pre in front is limiting it. I would rate a (stock) UA5 significantly better. Or a DMIC20. My only guess is that the AD20 was made for film (sound effects, dialog) and not for music. It is too bad, because it is a convenient and well-constructed piece of gear.
Richard
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Not new, no. Probably not even used . They are spendy.
Pelusos would probably be the most flexible of all those mentioned.
QFT. Can he swing a pair of MG's in that price range, Teddy?
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I would seriously consider upgrading your pre/adc. I really think the AD20 is not very good at all. I base this on both listening and from looking at the circuit. I believe that it is a *low noise* pre, but it is not a *low distortion* one. The ADC is OK, but the pre in front is limiting it. I would rate a (stock) UA5 significantly better. Or a DMIC20. My only guess is that the AD20 was made for film (sound effects, dialog) and not for music. It is too bad, because it is a convenient and well-constructed piece of gear.
Richard
I disagree with your assessment on the AD20. Some of my best recordings ever were made using the AD20 in the chain. It definitely sounds better than a digi-mod UA5. No question. I've owned both and still have the AD20. Most transparent pre out there. More so than the V3. Not saying its better than the V3, though.
EDIT: Here's a sample below:
AKG 483s > Denecke PS2 > Denecke AD20 > JB3
(Sorry for the hijack :-\)
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I would seriously consider upgrading your pre/adc. I really think the AD20 is not very good at all. I base this on both listening and from looking at the circuit. I believe that it is a *low noise* pre, but it is not a *low distortion* one. The ADC is OK, but the pre in front is limiting it. I would rate a (stock) UA5 significantly better. Or a DMIC20. My only guess is that the AD20 was made for film (sound effects, dialog) and not for music. It is too bad, because it is a convenient and well-constructed piece of gear.
Richard
I disagree with your assessment on the AD20. Some of my best recordings ever were made using the AD20 in the chain. It definitely sounds better than a digi-mod UA5. No question. I've owned both and still have the AD20. Most transparent pre out there. More so than the V3. Not saying its better than the V3, though.
EDIT: Here's a sample below:
AKG 483s > Denecke PS2 > Denecke AD20 > JB3
(Sorry for the hijack :-\)
I agreee that the AD-20 is a good sounding unit.....ive been pleased with it to the point that i have no probs upgrading my mics before my pre....the c4>ps2>ad20>jb3 is a great sounding combo for the cost and simple to use....i also am looking to get some better mics soon, prob in the same price range to run with the ps2/ad20...this thread caught my eye :)
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Opinions, everyones got em :)
Richard was right. To him it isnt a good piece of gear. Thats ok!
Take me for example, I loathe grace designs products..I mean LOATHE. ..and thats ok too!
It aint the gear, its the operator. ;)
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I, too, have been toying with the idea of a new "main" set of mics. I really enjoy the sound from my AT933/853's, but there seems to be a little something lacking unless I'm very close to the sound source/P.A. As a former AKG 463 [Jim Williams mod.] owner, I'm itching to get back to a similar warm sound. I've basically narrowed it down the Peluso's, the ADK51TL's and an LSD2. I like the idea of an LD mic, since I ran SD's before but am not sure they'll suit all my needs. I've been leaning towards the LSD2 for it's ease and price, but have also been thinking about the Peluso's b/c of the multiple caps and the probability of active's in the future. Can anyone tell me a major advantage of LD mics? I don't plan on taping a ton of shows... just a few festivals and bar shows each year. Any stealthing shows are easily covered with my AT's.
Sorry... not meant to hijack. Since I'm looking in the same price range, I figured I'd just add to the existing thread. Thanks....
Steve
also... has anyone run Peluso's/TL's/LSD2 with a BM2p+ mod UA-5?
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also... has anyone run Peluso's/TL's/LSD2 with a BM2p+ mod UA-5?
I know Tony (lowspark aka life during wartime) ran his TL's with a bm2 and now runs with Peluso's. May want to send him a pm.
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IN general terms... SD mics convey greater detail than a LD mic due to the size and weight of the diaphragm, as well as the diffractions and reflections of the sound that can be caused by the greater size of the LD's housing, this can/ would affect the "accuracy" of off-axis sounds as well. (SDC-Better off axis response).LD's have been associated with "character" a lot...or "mojo". LD mics generally have better LF response, at the sake of clarity.
I, too, have been toying with the idea of a new "main" set of mics. I really enjoy the sound from my AT933/853's, but there seems to be a little something lacking unless I'm very close to the sound source/P.A. As a former AKG 463 [Jim Williams mod.] owner, I'm itching to get back to a similar warm sound. I've basically narrowed it down the Peluso's, the ADK51TL's and an LSD2. I like the idea of an LD mic, since I ran SD's before but am not sure they'll suit all my needs. I've been leaning towards the LSD2 for it's ease and price, but have also been thinking about the Peluso's b/c of the multiple caps and the probability of active's in the future. Can anyone tell me a major advantage of LD mics? I don't plan on taping a ton of shows... just a few festivals and bar shows each year. Any stealthing shows are easily covered with my AT's.
Sorry... not meant to hijack. Since I'm looking in the same price range, I figured I'd just add to the existing thread. Thanks....
Steve
also... has anyone run Peluso's/TL's/LSD2 with a BM2p+ mod UA-5?
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Take me for example, I loathe grace designs products..I mean LOATHE.
That's it - you're out of the club...
;)
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Take me for example, I loathe grace designs products..I mean LOATHE.
That's it - you're out of the club...
;)
No comments from the "owned MK6 caps for 3 weeks and then got my own MK4s back" club. :P
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Jeff, what pre/adc and recorder are you going to be running for the second rig? I think that is important for people to give an educated opinion. He never said he was running the exact same equipment for the second rig except for the mics.
So here is my opinion. I would go with the Peluso's, and a modded UA5. That would be around $1200, but I suck at math when it comes to gear. Of course this opinion only is valid if you don't have a solid pre/adc lined up for this second rig(which sounds to me as if it is soon going to be your main rig).
If you do already have a second pre/adc that you are happy with, then you could do a whole hell of a lot with $1200. However you don't seem to me that you are the kind of guy that even wants to screw around with all the different patterns and configs. You just want to point and shoot, right? So that being said, I would go akg 480s with a pair of ck63 hyper caps, brand spankin new! If you do however feel that you want to mess around with all the different "geeky" techniques, I'd go peluso's with all of the caps. I think the most important thing here is that you end up with a good set of hypers. The places that you tape in, need them. I'm just sayin'.
Edit: Oh yeah, you can always use a set of my mics during all good for one of your rigs. I will be bringing the km140s, 414s and LSD2, heck I could even loan you my pair of C4s since you dig em so much. If of course I still have all of them by the time all good rolls around, thats like 2 and a half months. ::) Might be a different line up by then. Regardless you could use a pair of my mics, I'm sure I will still have at least two pairs ::)
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However you don't seem to me that you are the kind of guy that even wants to screw around with all the different patterns and configs.You just want to point and shoot, right?
You know me too well...wanna date?
So that being said, I would go akg 480s with a pair of ck63 hyper caps, brand spankin new! If you do however feel that you want to mess around with all the different "geeky" techniques, I'd go peluso's with all of the caps. I think the most important thing here is that you end up with a good set of hypers. The places that you tape in, need them. I'm just sayin'.
I bagged the idea of a second rig and just going for new mics (and keeping the C4's)...I thought about the AKG 480, but I only get one cap bought new for the same price I as a new Peluso with 3 caps, one being the hyper. They offer a wide card...what's that cover? I'm pretty much sold on the Peluso's....and I think you're right about the places I tape.
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However you don't seem to me that you are the kind of guy that even wants to screw around with all the different patterns and configs.You just want to point and shoot, right?
You know me too well...wanna date?
So that being said, I would go akg 480s with a pair of ck63 hyper caps, brand spankin new! If you do however feel that you want to mess around with all the different "geeky" techniques, I'd go peluso's with all of the caps. I think the most important thing here is that you end up with a good set of hypers. The places that you tape in, need them. I'm just sayin'.
I bagged the idea of a second rig and just going for new mics (and keeping the C4's)...I thought about the AKG 480, but I only get one cap bought new for the same price I as a new Peluso with 3 caps, one being the hyper. They offer a wide card...what's that cover? I'm pretty much sold on the Peluso's....and I think you're right about the places I tape.
Really no need for a second rig, especially if its just for one festival. I would go with the wide cardiod(subcards), just cause you already have cards and omnis and it would rock out to have subs, hypers, cards, and omnis. The subs are basically what they say they are. Think of it as an omni, that attenuates everything behind you, and basically picks up everything in front of you. Kinda like half an omni. People seem to use them when you can get real close to the sound source, or when the acoustics in the venue are real nice. I have used subs in the State theater, at a very not crowded show, and it came out great, on two occassions. I can't wait to use them FOB at festivals this season.
Here is the other thing to think about. You are probably going to use the hypers most of the time. They are great for the small bars, big clubs, sections at large venues, and outside when you aren't close to the stage. You already have cards and omnis with the C4s, so maybe getting one of the best fucking hyper cardoid out there, with the 483s would be the way to get the most out of your purchase. Then later on when you want more caps for the AKGs, they aren't that expensive at all. Either way you decide, its gonna be a nice upgrade.
Oh...and...I think your cute and all...but I think we should just stay close friends. :-*
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Opinions, everyones got em :)
Richard was right. To him it isnt a good piece of gear. Thats ok!
Take me for example, I loathe grace designs products..I mean LOATHE. ..and thats ok too!
It aint the gear, its the operator. ;)
anti-gracism will not be tolerated >:D >:D >:D
;D
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Opinions, everyones got em :)
Richard was right. To him it isnt a good piece of gear. Thats ok!
Take me for example, I loathe grace designs products..I mean LOATHE. ..and thats ok too!
It aint the gear, its the operator. ;)
anti-gracism will not be tolerated >:D >:D >:D
;D
Damn right!