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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: run_run_run on June 16, 2006, 11:29:53 PM
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I am looking into stands and trying to figure out how big of one I need. For most open taping shows will 8 feet be high enough?
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What is your rig setup? Active or full bodied? Typical setting taping (big venues or clubs)?
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i carry four stands (all with tripod bases) in my car and a variety of t-bars and splitters.
6-foot mic stand
6-foot with boom (max height 8 feet)
calumet photo stand, max height 15 feet
pro studio boom (with counterweight) max height no boom 10 feet, with boom approx 15 feet
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What is your rig setup? Active or full bodied? Typical setting taping (big venues or clubs)?
C4s. I would think mostly small stuff but I want to be ready for anything.
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I get one that goes to 11 or 12 feet at a minimum; 8 feet is not tall enough in my opinion, especially for crowded rooms with chatty crowds, with an 8 foot stand your taped will be filled with noise and chatter
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I rarely run - or find that I wish I had run - higher than 8'. But I record in small to medium sized clubs (~200 - ~2,000), mostly FOB or on-stage. But even in bigger venues, I don't really find myself wanting to run higher. YMMV.
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I rarely run - or find that I wish I had run - higher than 8'. But I record in small to medium sized clubs (~200 - ~2,000), mostly FOB or on-stage. But even in bigger venues, I don't really find myself wanting to run higher. YMMV.
with your schoeps Brian I would agree, but I believe the higher end mics like yours will reject the chatter and background noise better than lesser mics, so you can get by with a lower height that many of us cannot, I know my recordings would be junk if my mics were flown at 8 feet
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Another option: get a short-to-medium height stand and add an extension. Two good options for an extension, IMO:
<1> 3' - 7'6" Bogen extension (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=5364&is=REG&addedTroughType=search)
<2> ~20" Bogen flex arm (gooseneck) (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=product.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&shs=BO237HD&image.x=0&image.y=0)
Both will come in handy not only when you want to run higher on your stand, but also for increased flexibility in mic placement when clamping to railings, tables, pipes, ceiling lamps, whatever. FWIW, I've outlined my complete clamping setup (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=2456.msg804697#msg804697).
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i have the aea stand that SS sells, ive had it since 1999 and its a tank(but also 175 dollars) and goes to 15 feet i believe, thatw ay i am ready for anything(tho id never put it up to 15ft)
only drawback(if ya even wanna call it a drawback) is the large footprint, but the large footprint is godsent at festivals and the like where conditions arent always flat like a rooom floor is
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i have the aea stand that SS sells, ive had it since 1999 and its a tank(but also 175 dollars) and goes to 15 feet i believe, thatw ay i am ready for anything(tho id never put it up to 15ft)
only drawback(if ya even wanna call it a drawback) is the large footprint, but the large footprint is godsent at festivals and the like where conditions arent always flat like a rooom floor is
Yeah. I have that AEA stand too. I also have an AKG tripod stand with a boom arm and an Atlas kick drum mic stand for on stage set-ups. I can cover everything with those three. I really like the AEA stand, it's relatively light, goes plenty high if needed and is very stable.
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Another option: get a short-to-medium height stand and add an extension. Two good options for an extension, IMO:
I've taken up your advice Brian and gotten the same equipment. This is a relatively compact (especially for storage) and flexible setup.
<1> 3' - 7'6" Bogen extension (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=5364&is=REG&addedTroughType=search)
<2> ~20" Bogen flex arm (gooseneck) (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=product.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&shs=BO237HD&image.x=0&image.y=0)
Both will come in handy not only when you want to run higher on your stand, but also for increased flexibility in mic placement when clamping to railings, tables, pipes, ceiling lamps, whatever. FWIW, I've outlined my complete clamping setup (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=2456.msg804697#msg804697).
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For clubs and other indoor shows, I usually run around 8-9 feet. For outdoor shows and shows where crowd noise becomes an issue, I will go up to around 10-11 feet. The Bogen 3373 can go that high, as can the AEA stand. I believe these are the two most popular stands when you need to go over 10'.
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Another option: get a short-to-medium height stand and add an extension. Two good options for an extension, IMO:
<1> 3' - 7'6" Bogen extension (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=5364&is=REG&addedTroughType=search)
<2> ~20" Bogen flex arm (gooseneck) (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=product.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&shs=BO237HD&image.x=0&image.y=0)
Both will come in handy not only when you want to run higher on your stand, but also for increased flexibility in mic placement when clamping to railings, tables, pipes, ceiling lamps, whatever. FWIW, I've outlined my complete clamping setup (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=2456.msg804697#msg804697).
I meant to add that I've used this exact same setup after reading this equipment list in another post. All this stuff works well together and has you prepared for just about anything. The Flex Arm is plenty stout for an AKG bar and a pair of C4's. The 3373 stand is one nice piece of hardware, especially how it folds down to an 18" long package.
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For clubs and other indoor shows, I usually run around 8-9 feet. For outdoor shows and shows where crowd noise becomes an issue, I will go up to around 10-11 feet. The Bogen 3373 can go that high, as can the AEA stand. I believe these are the two most popular stands when you need to go over 10'.
I thought the 3373 only extended to 7'? If it goes 8-9 feet, I GOTTA git me one.
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[with your schoeps Brian I would agree, but I believe the higher end mics like yours will reject the chatter and background noise better than lesser mics, so you can get by with a lower height that many of us cannot, I know my recordings would be junk if my mics were flown at 8 feet
What makes the Schoeps reject this better than other mics? I could see it if they were cards vs. hypers, but I don't see how the brand will change that affect since the polar patterns are similar.
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I thought the 3373 only extended to 7'? If it goes 8-9 feet, I GOTTA git me one.
My 3373s max out at 7'6", fully extended with the legs in the narrowest / tallest footprint.
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Bogen 3333, which is like 9' ? I've never run it higher than say 8.5' normally about 7' I'd guess. I'm 6'1" and I have it so with my arm up in the air, I can barely touch the mics if at all. usually 2 tiers up on the stand.
chatty tapes depend more on the jack asses around you yakking it up, card vs hyper, etc..
Just bring Jcrabb66 to a show, he'll stop people from chatting - "Shut the fuck up!"
haha
-Jim
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I'm with Jim, I have the Bogen 3333 and I like it a lot. It's max is 9'...not sure what messing with the foot print gives you. I used to run ~8' but I started fully extending all tiers and have been liking the full 9'. Down the road I would like to get a stand that can max at 11-12' just incase I even need the few extra feet but right now for the clubs I tape in 8-9' is great.
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i have a 12 footer and wish it went to about 15 at times
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http://cgi.ebay.com/13-TALL-PRO-HEAVY-DUTY-AIR-CUSHIONED-LIGHT-STANDS-NEW_W0QQitemZ7623073453QQihZ017QQcategoryZ30080QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have that stand and love it, it's great for the money. Probably about 13.5' closing up the footprint. Downsides are it takes a while to set up and break down, and it's still close to 4' when closed so it's a bit cumbersome.
I have yet to use it any higher than maybe 8'. At DMB where there are tons of other tapers, or somewhere with an actual tapers section, I might fly it the full 13'. But at most shows, I think it comes across as a bit obnoxious. Taping Guster on Friday and might go a little bit higher than the usual 8'.
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PMS-1
That was my first stand...and it looks like it's changed slightly since I ordered it. The footprint is quite small and it's flush to the ground which is great for taping from reserved seats and you can stick 2 of the legs under the chairs in front of you and only have the third leg to worry about and it's in your own personal space. The 13' would take up the whole space in your row blocking people from being able to walk by or you'd have to keep it closed and tape/clamp it to seats in front of you.
If you mostly plan on taping outdoor GA festivals, I'd say the higher the better. If you are mostly doing small clubs or theaters, I'd say a smaller one might be better. Just my $0.02.
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Thanks much for the high stand link. It's just what I've been looking for (especially the $$)
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Thanks much for the high stand link. It's just what I've been looking for (especially the $$)
Glad to help...you'll probably want to pick up something like this as the stand doesn't come with any 5/8" threading option which is the standard for T-Bars and Shock Mounts:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=400109&is=REG&addedTroughType=search