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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: lbgspam on September 06, 2006, 09:25:44 PM
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I am not sure where to post this, so I am trying this "ask the tapers" forum :)
Now that I am going to be switching from DAT to flash recording of shows with the Eridol R-09 , I want to ask for archive on how tapers archive their music for longevity?
Do you rar / flak the original sound file recording to good quality DVDRs after converting it to mp3/aac format for use daily and perhaps also burning to CDR 16-bit/44.1? Do you play with the sound file as needed and just burn the final version to 16bit CDRs?
Advice and strategies appreciated! :D
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I personally burn the complete, unedited 24 Bit wav file to a DVD-R. On another DVD-R I burn FLAC copies of the tracked and edited 24 bit and 16 bit files. On yet another DVD-R I burn the show in 24 bit DVD-A format. Finally I also burn the shows to regular 16/44.1 kHz CDRs for listening in the car, freebies, etc.
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I personally burn the complete, unedited 24 Bit wav file to a DVD-R. On another DVD-R I burn FLAC copies of the tracked and edited 24 bit and 16 bit files. On yet another DVD-R I burn the show in 24 bit DVD-A format. Finally I also burn the shows to regular 16/44.1 kHz CDRs for listening in the car, freebies, etc.
Except for the DVD-A, for which I lack the playback system, I do pretty much the same but also keep a copy of the raw tracks and the FLACs on an external harddrive.
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I personally burn the complete, unedited 24 Bit wav file to a DVD-R. On another DVD-R I burn FLAC copies of the tracked and edited 24 bit and 16 bit files. On yet another DVD-R I burn the show in 24 bit DVD-A format. Finally I also burn the shows to regular 16/44.1 kHz CDRs for listening in the car, freebies, etc.
Except for the DVD-A, for which I lack the playback system, I do pretty much the same but also keep a copy of the raw tracks and the FLACs on an external harddrive.
Oops...forgot that. I too back up the unedited wav and all FLAC files to an external HD.
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Wow, that's a lot of copies for one show! :)
You must go through a lot of DVDRs and external hard disk space!
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FWIW, here's what I do:
- burn 24-bit master, as data, to optical media (only if editing in addition to tracking in next step)
- burn 24-bit tracked recording, as data, to optical media
- burn 16-bit tracked recording, as data, to optical media
- seed 24-bit tracked recording as off-site backup
- seed 16-bit tracked recording as off-site backup
I'm also about to implement a quarterly HD-based off-site backup of critical data (music and otherwise) with my father, so we're both covered for the really critical data in case of house fire, etc.
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Wow! With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Or any of the other versions you make prior to the 16bit 44.1 CDs?
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What do you mean by "do anything"? I keep the 24 bit FLACs for 2 reasons:
1. That's the bit depth/sample rate I originally recorded them in, and
2. 24 bit audio WILL be the industry standard in a few years, might as well be ready.
Wow! With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Or any of the other versions you make prior to the 16bit 44.1 CDs?
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1. RAW + EDITED (gain added) 24-Bit WAVS as data onto DVD-R
2. I keep all of my flac24 folders together onto DVD-R
3. lastly i keep flac16 folders together onto DVD-R
and usually burn copies for friends onto cd-r and torrent/archive, so there are copies out there ;)
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Good points. I can see keeping the master and the 16bit version.
Your second point, 24-bit being industry standard, I assume you mean by industry the recording industry and not the home consumer? I doubt the home consumer will get out of CDs for a looong time :(
What do you mean by "do anything"? I keep the 24 bit FLACs for 2 reasons:
1. That's the bit depth/sample rate I originally recorded them in, and
2. 24 bit audio WILL be the industry standard in a few years, might as well be ready.
Wow! With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Or any of the other versions you make prior to the 16bit 44.1 CDs?
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Wow, great ideas guys! Thanks for the advice!
For me, I will probably archive the tracked 24bit and burn to 16bit CDR for playing.
I assume Tayo Yuidens for DVDR media is what you guys like.
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verbatim dvd-r for me
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lol, I just put the tracked 16 bit show folders in wav format onto dvdr, I usually can do like 3-4 shows per disc.
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verbatim dvd-r for me
Here is a list of the real manufacturers and their reported quality. Verbatim is listed as one of the better ones.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm (http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm)
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verbatim dvd-r for me
Here is a list of the real manufacturers and their reported quality. Verbatim is listed as one of the better ones.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm (http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm)
oh i know, plus i get them pretty cheap at sams club :)
taiyo yudens and riteks are also pretty good
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Wow! With all these backup versions you guys do, have you ever gone back to do anything with the 24 bit versions of the shows?
Well, I suppose so, if you consider the fact that the 24-bit versions are the ones to which I actually listen. The 16/44 versions are only for those fellow music fans who've not yet made the jump to 24-bit.
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lol, I didnt even see fujifilm on that list of dvds >:D
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lol, I didnt even see fujifilm on that list of dvds >:D
if it's a made in japan fugi it's taiyo yuden. the made in taiwan Fugi's are on there under 2nd class media.
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After getting my newest toy, a Lightscribe DVD burner, I archive my FLACs on a DVD+R with a nice fancy image on it and keep them in a binder that I have by my computer. Went back and did all my Masters that way and it looks really cool...much better than my chicken scratch written on there. I also burn both the original unedited file from my CJB3, the edited Wav before I split it and the CD Wave cue sheet for how I split it on another regular DVD+R that I stick in a spindle and it goes it my closet and I forget about it. Had one show that magicially got corrupted so this redundancy is great to have. I only record in 16-bit/44.1 so I don't have multiple versions that I have to worry about.
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I do the following for backups:
24bit master WAV on DVD+R
24bit master FLAC on DVD+R
24bit edited and tracked FLAC on DVD+R & external HD (Squeezebox 3 library)
24bit edited and tracked on DVD-A
16bit edited and tracked FLAC on DVD+R & external HD (Squeezebox 3 library)
16bit edited and tracked on CD-R
I also keep most of the FLACs on my internal HD (but I haven't taped nearly the amount of shows as some/most of you). As a result, they are also on another external HD that is a monthly mirror of my internal HD. I back up my internal HD files weekly (or before/after a major change) to an external HD as well, so many of the FLACs are backed up there as well. This is all in addition to trading most of my recordings via BT, FTP, archive, etc. I think I'm pretty well covered :)
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Why keep a master Flac & master WAV?
I don't do 24 bit as the 660 is 16bit max. I burn master WAV to DVD-R and edited track version FLAC to DVD-R. I did just buy a 300GB harddrive that has gotten me lazy on the DVD-R backups.
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Why keep a master Flac & master WAV?
Just for extra backup. Generally, the master WAV will be on one DVD+R, while the master FLAC and tracked FLAC will both be on another DVD+R.
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Thanks guys. Lots of great strategies! :D