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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: MattH on September 29, 2006, 09:24:59 PM
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Here are some pics of my new mics.
Handmade in Sweden with a lifetime warranty!
The last pic is an MBHO comparison
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Very cool, but how do they sound....?
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Haven't heard the 44, but heard it's predecessor (the VM-41). It's a great sounding mic. Very clean and crisp. To fully appreciate it you really need to run it through a nice preamp.
Did ya get them new? I've actually been looking for a pair of either 41 or 44 for a while now.
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Haven't heard the 44, but heard it's predecessor (the VM-41). It's a great sounding mic. Very clean and crisp. To fully appreciate it you really need to run it through a nice preamp.
Did ya get them new? I've actually been looking for a pair of either 41 or 44 for a while now.
Brand new. I'm looking forward to testing them out soon.
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http://www.music-gear.us/live-sound/live-sound-microphones/milab-vm44-omni-capsule.html (http://www.music-gear.us/live-sound/live-sound-microphones/milab-vm44-omni-capsule.html)
I see they also make an omni cap....... :hmmm:
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congrats!!! ;D
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Those MBHO'slook alot different than the KA200's I used to have, mine used to have a mini xlr connectionin the back
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couple more
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Sweet. +T for the new toys. How much do these run? What caps are available? Don't forget to update your sig line.
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awesomke, ive been doing some research on these. wonder what they sound similar to?
vm-44>722 would be TITS
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Sanjay:
Those are probably the same Ka200 you had, but the cable connector is from the 648a preamp. Thus no mini-xlr.
These are mine and are run into a JkLabs DVC unit.
I guess Matt will review the Milabs thoroughly when he receives the mics next week.
When I unpacked the boxes to take the pictures I got really interested in getting a pair for myself.
Would be interesting stealth modify the living hell out of them.
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sweden rules ;D ;D ;D
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sweden rules ;D ;D ;D
IceHotel...
Swedish Bikini Team...
yup. Sweden's pretty damn awesome! ;)
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...until you live here and find out that Denmark is even better...
But I do give you that the average level of Babe beautiness is fairly high...
BUT NOBODY ALLOWS OPEN F****ING TAPING HERE!!!!!
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Sweet. +T for the new toys. How much do these run? What caps are available? Don't forget to update your sig line.
Get them from Thomas (brn2rn) for 30% less than elsewhere.
awesomke, ive been doing some research on these. wonder what they sound similar to?
vm-44>722 would be TITS
According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
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Enjoy your new +toy
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vm-44>722 would be TITS
According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
I would agree with this, assuming the 44 sounds like the 41 (since that's the one I'm familiar with).
Bean, you'll need a good preamp to truly appreciate the Milab stuff, in my experience. I'm not sure the 722's pre is up to par, to be honest. The mic sounded incredible through my buddy's gear (API, True and Aphex). Not so much when I tried it with a V3. They didn't sound anywhere near as good and it really surprised me. That was the first time I really heard the difference a great preamp and A/D makes.
Again, this was with a VM-41, which is the earlier model but I believe they are basically the same. No doubt it's a great mic though, and the modular design is a big plus for field recording, obviously.
As always, YMMV, caveat emptor, que sera sera, and opinions are like (you know what).
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i believe the 41 version was brighter than 44. ;)
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i believe the 41 version was brighter than 44. ;)
Interesting. Do you know what accounted for the difference? Change in electronics? Different capsule? There's not a ton of information on Milab mics out there, and all I know is from playing with the 41 and one other one (DC-96 or something like that?)
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I could try to remember to ask their tech-boss next time I´m on the phone with them wat the differences are between 41 and 44.
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According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
No offense, but that is a pretty predictable answer. No one would really say that their own mics sound bad. ;D I know one thing...My Pearl Mics are amazing.
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Pearl was started by Rune Rosander waaaay back in 1941.
The currently used condensator diaphragm used in Pearl and Milab mics is his invention albeit bettered over time.
Milab started as a spin off from Pearl in 1970.
Both companies are alive and well only a couple of miles from each other in south of Sweden.
edit: misspelled something again
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Here's a torrent of my first recording with these mics if anyone's interested.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960)
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Here's a torrent of my first recording with these mics if anyone's interested.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960)
what caps do you have for the 44 link's ???
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nice recording...sounds like a hypercardiod pattern... ;D
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Here's a torrent of my first recording with these mics if anyone's interested.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960)
what caps do you have for the 44 link's ???
Just the card's they come with. I will probably be getting the omni's someday soon since I'm really liking the sound of these mics so far.
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damn,..that's a very tight sound for a card. whoa!
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Here's a torrent of my first recording with these mics if anyone's interested.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960)
Sounds really nice, Matt. +T
I look forward to hearing more recordings with these. I'd be interested in hearing these in front of a pre we're all more familiar with (M148/V3/722/ACM671). I wonder if they'll expand their line of caps?
edit: This is a nice sounding venue. Is it's primary function a concert hall?
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I have to agree with everyone. This is nice.
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they will not expand their line of caps unless the greater portion of their customer base requires it. hypercard and figure 8 are the most difficult and expensive to build, and as milab doesnt have the budget of sennheiser/neumann or gefell or harmon(akg). I wouldnt count on it. Ive been begging gefell to make figure 8s for the sms2000 series for over a year now..but that pattern just doesnt justify the cost that goes into developing it.
I wonder if they'll expand their line of caps?
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Here's a torrent of my first recording with these mics if anyone's interested.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960)
Beautiful recording! Thanks for the upload. I really look forward to hearing more recordings from these mics.
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Here's a torrent of my first recording with these mics if anyone's interested.
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500960)
Sounds really nice, Matt. +T
I look forward to hearing more recordings with these. I'd be interested in hearing these in front of a pre we're all more familiar with (M148/V3/722/ACM671). I wonder if they'll expand their line of caps?
edit: This is a nice sounding venue. Is it's primary function a concert hall?
This is actually a poor and boomy sounding room in my opinion. It helped a lot that I was so close. I will try and borrow a V2 for some future recordings but am really happy with the QuadMic with most mics I've tried with it.
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Perhaps not my favorite band, but it is one truly good recording you pulled there Matt!
I take it you like your new Milabs?
Anyone interested in these or other Milab mics please contact me and I´ll help out.
/Thomas
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It looks like they come stock with 3m cables....and the option of custom length. I like that.
Does Milab offer these in matched pairs? not that it's a necessity, just curious.
Oh, and what's the going rate for a pair? Sorry if this has already been covered.
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Someone posted earlier a source for 30% the going rate. Looks like these run $929 each online , so a pair would be around $1300 I believe.
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Someone posted earlier a source for 30% the going rate. Looks like these run $929 each online , so a pair would be around $1300 I believe.
ahhh...missed that part. Thanks, John.
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Hi,
Matched pair can be had for a price premium of roughly 640usd...
Can´t say I can motivate that since they are very close in dB as standard.
Cables can be had in any length you like at a premium.
Those orders take two to three weeks to realize.
Standard mics are shipped within a couple of days.
The price of 1300usd is also roughly correct + shipping and paypalfees.
Any questions pm me please,
Thomas
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On the other hand it isn´t too expensive to get a ps-2 and build the little driver pcb (52 by 12mm) into the box and put mini xlr on it instead to get less bulk.
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Hey Matt, nice recording! I didn't know you were looking at new mics. They look sweet.
So how was it FOB? No stealthing required? No Erdheim police? Did you get the R Devils?
I put some pics up my 700 mod. Don't know if you had a chance to view them. Judging from the sound of these new mics of your's, the 700's might be getting a well deserved rest?
Give me a call if you get a chance. I remember you had some interest in my xtra CM1000. I might be moving it to ebay soon.
Tony
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Hey Matt, nice recording! I didn't know you were looking at new mics. They look sweet.
So how was it FOB? No stealthing required? No Erdheim police? Did you get the R Devils?
I put some pics up my 700 mod. Don't know if you had a chance to view them. Judging from the sound of these new mics of your's, the 700's might be getting a well deserved rest?
Give me a call if you get a chance. I remember you had some interest in my xtra CM1000. I might be moving it to ebay soon.
Tony
Here is the Rhythm Devil's from Vegoose for another example of a Milab recording:
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501421 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501421)
For Phil&Trey, no FOB at the late night show but Mark himself was FOB with the rest of us at the Festival set.
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Hey Matt, nice recording! I didn't know you were looking at new mics. They look sweet.
So how was it FOB? No stealthing required? No Erdheim police? Did you get the R Devils?
I put some pics up my 700 mod. Don't know if you had a chance to view them. Judging from the sound of these new mics of your's, the 700's might be getting a well deserved rest?
Give me a call if you get a chance. I remember you had some interest in my xtra CM1000. I might be moving it to ebay soon.
Tony
Here is the Rhythm Devil's from Vegoose for another example of a Milab recording:
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501421 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501421)
For Phil&Trey, no FOB at the late night show but Mark himself was FOB with the rest of us at the Festival set.
After a few tracks, I gotta say that these mics are the real deal. I like the recording a lot.
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Damn!
I might have to get myself a pair apart from just dealing to others.
I knew they would sound good but this is really awesome tapes matt have privided here.
Congrats Matt,
Thomas
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matt, i think these sound GREAT!!! nice mids/low end for sure, and the vocals are surprisingly clear and present for being such a colored mic(at least on my playback)
kind of similar to the thump/low-end from a dpa 4011/402x IMO
what do ya'll think these sound like?
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I'm really impressed with the sound of these. I love the overall clarity, and the bass is kick ass. These things are smooth like silk.
Matt's source has been synced up to the vegoose video webcast of phil and soon to be rhythm devils, up over on dime.
Allthough, it's only about 100 times better sound than the original webcast audio, so one wonders if all my syncing was worth it ;)
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According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
No offense, but that is a pretty predictable answer. No one would really say that their own mics sound bad. ;D I know one thing...My Pearl Mics are amazing.
The Wilco "Milab VM-44 Link" show sounds great - Congrats!!
Thanks to Teddy I'm looking forward to putting my Swedish, "built by hand" Pearl ELM-C mics and new sd722 into action in the near future...
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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Thanks to Teddy I'm looking forward to putting my Swedish, "built by hand" Pearl ELM-C mics and new sd722 into action in the near future...
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
i hate you
:-* :-*
;D
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Yes, he is one lucky fella! They are fantastic mics.
Thanks to Teddy I'm looking forward to putting my Swedish, "built by hand" Pearl ELM-C mics and new sd722 into action in the near future...
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
i hate you
:-* :-*
;D
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According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
No offense, but that is a pretty predictable answer. No one would really say that their own mics sound bad. ;D I know one thing...My Pearl Mics are amazing.
The Wilco "Milab VM-44 Link" show sounds great - Congrats!!
Thanks to Teddy I'm looking forward to putting my Swedish, "built by hand" Pearl ELM-C mics and new sd722 into action in the near future...
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
Didn't see this posted earlier. If anyone got this and could jump on as a seed it for a while, I'd appreciate it.
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these mics sound very nice, but i had a question for those in-the-know. as i see these are being compared to DPA and the "DPA sound", are the Milab more forgiving than DPA's can be? i.e. i've read many times that DPA's sound fantastic in a good room but can sound not-so-good in a bad room. I wasn't sure if Milab had as flat a response as DPA's do?
The Milab recordings I've heard so far actually sound a tad colored to my ears, but in a good way. I was just wondering what the overall consensus was on these. At times they sound DPA'ish to me, other times not so.
thanks y'all!
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On the other hand it isn´t too expensive to get a ps-2 and build the little driver pcb (52 by 12mm) into the box and put mini xlr on it instead to get less bulk.
little driver pcb (52 by 12mm)?
What is this?
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I think he means removing the pcb board from the mic body and installing that into a suitable box.
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these mics sound very nice, but i had a question for those in-the-know. as i see these are being compared to DPA and the "DPA sound", are the Milab more forgiving than DPA's can be? i.e. i've read many times that DPA's sound fantastic in a good room but can sound not-so-good in a bad room. I wasn't sure if Milab had as flat a response as DPA's do?
The Milab recordings I've heard so far actually sound a tad colored to my ears, but in a good way. I was just wondering what the overall consensus was on these. At times they sound DPA'ish to me, other times not so.
thanks y'all!
Neither of these two sources sound anything like DPA 402x mics to me. But I don't know that I've heard a source with an RME pre before either. Either way the combination of Milab and RME is fantastic sounding on everything I've played it on. I would call it warm sounding and definitely colored. If it weren't for the PA blowing out on a few songs during that Wilco show, I'd say that may well be one of the best recordings I've heard in years.
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Thanks John. I agree, they don't sound like 402x mics to me either, I guess that's why I asked. Good point about the RME, I haven't heard many recordings done with this pre either. Who knows, maybe folks were referring more to the fact that both mics were made in Scandinavia and were similar in style and build quality. Either way, they kick ass.
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i believe the 41 version was brighter than 44. ;)
Interesting. Do you know what accounted for the difference? Change in electronics? Different capsule? There's not a ton of information on Milab mics out there, and all I know is from playing with the 41 and one other one (DC-96 or something like that?)
sorry for the delay but i finally got the answer, the 41 had a output transformer and op-amp designed circuitry.
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i believe the 41 version was brighter than 44. ;)
Interesting. Do you know what accounted for the difference? Change in electronics? Different capsule? There's not a ton of information on Milab mics out there, and all I know is from playing with the 41 and one other one (DC-96 or something like that?)
sorry for the delay but i finally got the answer, the 41 had a output transformer and op-amp designed circuitry.
Ahhhhh. I knew there was a good reason I liked it so much. Op Amps and transformers. :coolguy:
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I really would like to run some of these sometime, but I am not selling the 4v's to do so. 8) So, back to wishful thinking!
If I were a bettin man, I would bet the Milab VM-44 Link > Milab Pre > 722 would sound REAL nice!!!
What does Milab's Pre go for price wise? And does anyone know what it sounds like or ran one before?
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didnt know they had a pre, very curious
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I really would like to run some of these sometime, but I am not selling the 4v's to do so. 8) So, back to wishful thinking!
If I were a bettin man, I would bet the Milab VM-44 Link > Milab Pre > 722 would sound REAL nice!!!
What does Milab's Pre go for price wise? And does anyone know what it sounds like or ran one before?
Do you mean the Marenius pre? I wish I hadn't sold mine but I know a new milab owner from here who will be checking it out.
They go for about 750 or 800 new.
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;D ;D Thanks Matt -- looking forward to following in your footsteps. I'll definitely be testing them out with both the V3 and the Marenius.
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you mean this preamp http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=72361.0 ?
http://www.marenius.se/indexeng.htm
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most likely need to put in-line pads, max input level is - 6. a 25-20 db attenuation should be fine before hitting the transformers, during a loud show. ;)
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you mean this preamp http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=72361.0 ?
http://www.marenius.se/indexeng.htm
I actually was thinking of the MM-4210 which has 4 mic pre's and mixer function. It handles up to +20dBu input signals and has nice meters.
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Here are a couple of taper section recordings with the Milab's:
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501451 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501451)
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501660 (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=501660)
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most likely need to put in-line pads, max input level is - 6. a 25-20 db attenuation should be fine before hitting the transformers, during a loud show. ;)
What product are you talking about here, Muj?
I'm using the Marenius MM4210 4 channel mixer when I do 4 mic mixes. It has a max input level of +20dbu
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most likely need to put in-line pads, max input level is - 6. a 25-20 db attenuation should be fine before hitting the transformers, during a loud show. ;)
What product are you talking about here, Muj?
I'm using the Marenius MM4210 4 channel mixer when I do 4 mic mixes. It has a max input level of +20dbu
Todd i was referring to the SMF-5 ;)
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D'oh!! I guess I should read thru the whole thread before responding. I'm with it now.
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If that is the pre on the Milab site then yes that is what I was referring to. Thanks for the info! ;D
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If that is the pre on the Milab site then yes that is what I was referring to. Thanks for the info! ;D
The only box that looks like a pre on the milab website is a 48V phanton power supply. Best I can tell there is no gain that can be added to the signal with that box.
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AFAIK Milabs has no pre in their catalogue at all.
Marenius is good of course. But they have nothing to do with Milab.
The little pcb I was talking about is the pcb inside the amps on the end of the active cables. This pcb could easily be built into a dedicated ps-2 for less bulk in stealth setups.
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i like this marenius, but as mij noted, the min inpuyt gain is 30db, i like running my pre's at 20-25db and letting the 722 do the rest of the gain :) id need a 10db attenuator
bet it sounds sweet with 480's
http://www.marenius.se/indexeng.htm
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According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
So, who on Team CO runs DPA's & a V3 that can put them up head to head against Todd's Milab's > V3? >:D
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Anyone have any experience with the full bodied VM44 Classic? Odds are they sound the same, considering the Link have the body in the chain, right?
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According to Thomas, Milab's chief engineer says they rival dpa's.
So, who on Team CO runs DPA's & a V3 that can put them up head to head against Todd's Milab's > V3? >:D
Both Maury and Scott run 402x>V3, so I'm sure we'll get together to get a comp done eventually. Would've happened last week if I hadn't wussed out and skipped the Kimock/Zilla show. :-\
I've only run the Milabs a couple times, but I'm liking them so far. I think they've got a fairly colored sound, though. I'd probably say more akin to neumann km140s than DPAs, but I haven't run them enough to get a handle on it yet.
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Anyone bringing a set of Milabs to WsP NYE? I'd love to run on the same FOB stand (assuming we don't catch hell like last year) and see how they compare to Schoeps at Panic. The one Milab Panic show I have heard, 10/4/06 at the Backyard, smokes! If anyone is comming with a set drop me a PM (it would be a bonus if there is a 722 or 744 with them so we could just swap Compact Flash cards ;D )
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Ok, I finally got a torrent up of a recording with my new milabs:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78395.0.html
Last nights Zero show, up on COtapers.org right now.
A couple notes on this: they seemed to really be struggling to get the sound dialed in throughout the first set, so you might want to listen to tracks from the second set if you're trying to judge the milabs. Also, in addition to the 2ch milab recording, I also ran a 4ch mix with the milabs and a pair of SP C4 omnis. To aid in the mix, I ran the milabs XY (never been my favorite pattern). As a result, the soundstage of this recording is very narrow and constrained. I've had much better results running the milabs DIN in other outings.
Maury was there with his DPA4022>V3 recording, with his mics just 8-10" away from mine, so hopefully at some point I can get a copy of his for comparison sake. Scott was also right there, running DPA 4022> V2> Mytek Stereo192 ADC. Might also be a fun comparison, but the V2>Mytek vs. V3 will be throwing some more variables into the mix.
[Edited to correct my senior-moment stupidity.]
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awesome todd...I can't wait to hear this... +T
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Ok, I finally got a torrent up of a recording with my new milabs:
Scott was also right there, running DPA 4022> V2> Neve Portico. Might also be a fun comparison, but the V2>portico vs. V3 will be throwing some more variables into the mix.
why would you run V2 > Neve Portico?
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why would you run V2 > Neve Portico?
Oops, my bad. I was just reading about Adam on the CO crew who's looking to get a Portico and forgot to engage my brain when I posted.
Make that Scott ran 4022> V2> Mytek Stereo192.
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Ok, I've got another Milab VM44 bit torrent going. This time is the Stanton Moore Trio from the Fox in Boulder, fob/dfc/drink rail. The Fox has a great sound system, so it was nice to give the Milabs a workout up on the front rail. The rail is pretty far forward, and the subs were really kicking, so I had the V3's HPF1 engaged (100Hz/6db).
The show is up at cotapers.org. More info here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78500.0.html
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Hi folks,
Recently I´ve recieved some questions on whether I still can help out in getting Milabs for you people.
I will gladely help whoever wants a pair .
Just pm me with your questions and I´ll get back to you as soon as I can.
Cheers,
Thomas