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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: eclark on November 30, 2006, 04:30:10 PM
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okay so i got my all my gear today. here is my setup SP-C4s > digimod UA5 > JB3 (opti-in).
tomorrow ive got my first show i want to record. its the Furman Singers and the Boston Pops and im pretty sure they arent going to want me recording. but i really want to get this on tape so:
1. where is going to be the best place to record from? ive got an 8ft stand and a ticket (75 dollar value, got it free) on the floor on the 12th row back. should i risk it and set up on the floor hoping the security will think its official and put my stand in the middle of the crowd where im sure the sound is excellent. or should i give my ticket to someone in the stands (approx 100ft back, 50-75 ft up) and clamp to the railing where im less likely to be seen but i really dont know how good its going to sound.
2. i built a battery pack with SIX 1.5V ~2000mAh AA batteries wired in series. this is putting out ~9V of power to my UA5. i know the UA5 takes up 450mAh so doing the math i should be good, right? does anyone have experience with AA batteries. (my JB3 is running on my 9V 5400mAH dvd battery) i know i can get a juice box but i dont have one yet AND i think that battery has lost ALOT of its capacity. i really dont want to risk it. you think the AAs will be straight?
3. what type of setup should i do if im on the floor? how about in the back in the stands? XY OTRF etc??
im sure i will think of more, thanks for all the help in advance. i cant wait for tomorrow ;D
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one more question:
i just thought of this, but okay thanks to KLowe, the cord from my dvd battery to jb3 has an in-line voltage regular that converts the signal from 9v > 5v. okay so since the ua5 is 9v so what if i spliced into the cord going from dvd battery > ua5 and attached the jb3 cord w/ regulator on it. so there would be one cord coming out of the battery that would then split into two cords, one going to the ua5 with 9v and the other going to the jb3 w/ the regulator changing the volatge to 5v.
would this work? or when you split the cord like that do the volts get messed up. how long will a 5400mAH battery power my UA5 w/ phantom power on and a jb3 recording? just from experience can i get 3 hours easily?
thanks again
emery
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bump for a noob ;D
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Well......if they don't want you recording I'm pretty sure having an 8' stand will attract some attention. ;D
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Well......if they don't want you recording I'm pretty sure having an 8' stand will attract some attention. ;D
haha yeah, you're right, haha
what about my mic configs though?
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im thinking maybe spaced omnis right down in front of the stage, but i dunno if i could pull that off. do you think that would be the best sound setup i coudl get.
if im forced to go back, and put the cards on, should i run them XY ORTF or what? please advise
and XY is 131 and ORTF is 105, right? i really dont know any of this stuff, ive never setup before.
thanks
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Not trying to be a dick. I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from taping.
But a few suggestions.
TS is helpful when you can provide technical specifics - like your battery question is fine - you have clearly described what you are trying to accomplish and stuff. But a lotta people hang around in a forum or two, and don't visit other ones. And a lotta people only scan subjects for things of interest.You probably just asked it the wrong way and in the wrong place.
The best way to get a technical response is to post it as a single question in the related forum - in this case "Remote Power". Remote power "enthusiasts" (enthusiast maining you have a love/hate/both relationship with remote power issues, LOL) tend to hang in "Remote Power".
Take me for example. I'm not a remote power "enthusiast" because I run a Marantz that takes 4AA rechargeables. That's it. I pop em in pop em out, recharge them. I don't love or hate remote power because it is a no brainer for me. The most complicated Remote power gets for me is I try to run too long when I shoulda changed batteries in between sets. Just a slightly different variant (dumbass variety) of the no brainer.
So I can't tell you jack about remote power, and same is true for a lot of other people here. But somebody else can tell you all about remote power - if they can find your question. Like with a subject line like "DIY UA5 Battery Pack Help!!!"
People love to show off their technical knowledge but you have to help give them the opportunity by making your questions easy for the people that can answer them to find.
As far as general mic setup questions. Again not to be a dick, but most people are not going to respond unless you have at least looked at the options. There are only a few, so few that everyone just knows them. DIN is 90 Degree angle 20cm. ORTF is 110 Degree angle 17 cm spacing.
Pattern basics are described in various places. This is a good beginner place to start:
Basics:
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/faq-mic.html
Pictures for SDs:
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/micsetup.html
Before long you'll know the config geometries by heart.
Again not to be a dick, but if you don't know them, how can we know if you even can run them? That's not a insult, it's a valid question.
For example, I run LDs on shockmounts. The patterns are the conceptually the same, but the physical setup is quite a bit different from small diameter mics. I can run all the near coincident patterns. But I don't have the right stand hardware to be able to run XY. (Truthfully I could ghetto rig a vertical XY but until you get comfie with your gear, try to stick to stuff that you have hardware for so you know a mic will not fall off midshow :-)
When to use them? Ahh, the magic question. There are some basic guidelines, but that is the art of taping. It's an empirical kind of thing. The best way to get an idea of how and where and what to setup is to first of all, learn a little bit about the patterns, then come here and search and see if you can find someone who has actually taped at the specific venue you are going to.
If you have absolutely no idea, DIN or DINa and is usually a good general purpose default config.
Finally, this sounds like an "evening affair" - Furman Singers, Boston Pops, $75 tickets, presumably in a university hall?
As a general rule when in Rome do like the Romans. To some people (me for one) that means don't tape if you are not welcome. To some people that means stealth if you are not welcome, but that's another debate altogether.
In any event I kinda think the Romans tonight are not gonna be down with open taping, and C4s in a balcony is not stealthing. Does not hurt to try, but ...
Good luck. :)
Be patient. Get familiar with your rig. Learn the patterns
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Hey Emery, I always liked the sound of the c4s best in DIN. DIdn't mix it up too much though. But if I were to make a recomendation for a starting point that'd be it.
have fun bro.
jdh