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Title: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: mrsoul on April 21, 2007, 09:34:19 PM
I am looking to get a new 24 bit flash recorder.  Very interested in the Zoom H2 but don't know what kind of ADC it might have, would hope it's somewhere near Sony's Hi-MD ADC which is what I have been using for a few years now. 

Any reason to wait for it (Zoom H2) over getting the R-09 now?  The line input woes on the R-09 still scare me.

Thanks for any feedback.
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: guysonic on April 22, 2007, 05:09:59 AM
I am looking to get a new 24 bit flash recorder.  Very interested in the Zoom H2 but don't know what kind of ADC it might have, would hope it's somewhere near Sony's Hi-MD ADC which is what I have been using for a few years now. 

Any reason to wait for it (Zoom H2) over getting the R-09 now?  The line input woes on the R-09 still scare me.

Thanks for any feedback.

Not sure what R-09 "line input woes" is about, but if not in a hurry, maybe wait to see what Zoom learned about H4 shortcomings in producing the very low costing new H2.

Review of R-09 and 'non'-review of H4 at:
www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm)
www.sonicstudios.com/zoomh4rv.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/zoomh4rv.htm)
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Nick's Picks on April 22, 2007, 06:34:21 AM
the zooms mid-side array is cool as hell.
for the dough, i'm sure i'll snag one.  what the hell.
if only it was a bit bucket...
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: mrsoul on April 22, 2007, 09:14:43 AM
Quote

Not sure what R-09 "line input woes" is about, but if not in a hurry, maybe wait to see what Zoom learned about H4 shortcomings in producing the very low costing new H2.

Review of R-09 and 'non'-review of H4 at:
www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm)
www.sonicstudios.com/zoomh4rv.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/zoomh4rv.htm)

Guy-
I should have stated "line input JACK/port woes" ...like it breaking off the board.  Sorry for not being clear and thanks for the advice.  I think I am going to just borrow a 2nd Hi-MD for hot swapping at 94 mins if necessary for the few shows I have between now and June.  Thanks. T+ +
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: divamum on April 22, 2007, 10:43:26 AM
I'm surprised not to see more discusison of the H2 in here (I did hunt around, but by all means point me to a thread if I've missed it somewhere!).  Singers are intrigued with it because of the price (amazes me that classical singers are so often so stingy when it comes to recording devices - they'll pay $150 a week for a voice lesson, but balk at $300 for a recorder... which will help them KEEEP those expensive lessons at their fingertips!)

In any case, I've seen the spec sheet, but has anybody seen one of these "live" yet? Any thoguhts?
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Craig T on April 22, 2007, 12:43:07 PM
In any case, I've seen the spec sheet, but has anybody seen one of these "live" yet?

I saw one at Zero the other night, on stage in front of their sax man, Martin Fierro.  I'm assuming it was Martin's.  Looked cool, even had a little tripod stand.

sorry, that was probably a H4.
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Nick's Picks on April 22, 2007, 07:38:06 PM
unfortunately, the trend in these little location recorders seems to be built in mics, all in one little box.  obviously, "serious" concert tapers are not down w/that action.
unless something comes along that is just silly performance wise.  the r9 is pretty damn good, but I bet this thing w/its mic array will sound better.
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Kindguy on April 23, 2007, 01:51:25 AM
For 200 bucks the h2 looks pretty cool .

Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: guysonic on April 23, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
For 200 bucks the h2 looks pretty cool .

That's the spirit! 

If it looks cool, and is real cheap, who's to care how well it works or sounds? 

This is audio after all, if it proves worthless for practical purposes, you can always attach a broach pin on the thing and wear it around as a conversational piece!
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: flintstone on April 23, 2007, 11:28:45 PM
Guysonic,

Please, let's leave the withering Don Rickles satire out of the conversations here.
The H2 does look cool, and nobody knows what it sounds like.

Flintstone
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Jack Goff on April 24, 2007, 11:09:06 AM
also guysonic, don't forget to pimp your website/gear with EVERY post  ::)
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: it-goes-to-eleven on April 24, 2007, 11:25:16 AM
Guysonic,

Please, let's leave the withering Don Rickles satire out of the conversations here.
The H2 does look cool, and nobody knows what it sounds like.

A little cynical skepticism seems entirely appropriate because some mfgs do over promise and under deliver (m-audio).

Didn't I read that the H4 suffers from bass overload problems?
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Nick's Picks on April 24, 2007, 05:07:08 PM
you guys are rough on the retailers!
by some hydras instead of either deck.
::)
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: guysonic on April 25, 2007, 07:39:42 AM
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I think you've got the wrong guy even by definition.  So, I will suggest you NOT FUCK WITH MY GEAR  ;D so YOU KNOW for certain this type of post is just plain stupid, abusive, derogatory, and clearly wrong by the guidelines set up as acceptable conduct to be followed in making posts within this group.    Contribute, ask questions, and try to add something of worth here.  Having rude/mean spirited fun at the expense of others or single person is maybe not the most productive use of your time here, and could get you blocked if making a habit out of this kind of thing.
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: lbgspam on April 25, 2007, 07:51:46 AM
For 200 bucks the h2 looks pretty cool .

That's the spirit! 

If it looks cool, and is real cheap, who's to care how well it works or sounds? 

This is audio after all, if it proves worthless for practical purposes, you can always attach a broach pin on the thing and wear it around as a conversational piece!

I thought this was really funny Guysonic :) . Not sure why people have their panties in a bunch over your comment.....
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: lbgspam on April 25, 2007, 07:53:43 AM
also guysonic, don't forget to pimp your website/gear with EVERY post  ::)

Actually, I have found Guysonic to make some of the best posts in the forum.  He has helped many a person here diagnose problems with equipment, and provides some great technical reviews of products.

Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: guysonic on April 25, 2007, 08:32:08 AM
Guysonic,

Please, let's leave the withering Don Rickles satire out of the conversations here.
The H2 does look cool, and nobody knows what it sounds like.

Flintstone

COME ON FLINTSTONE! TAKE A LOOK!  THE THING LOOKS GREAT ON YOU, DON'T YOU THINK?

(http://www.sonicstudios.com/alearsh2.jpg)
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Kindguy on April 25, 2007, 12:14:08 PM
Quote
So, I will suggest you NOT FUCK WITH MY GEAR   so YOU KNOW for certain this type of post is just plain stupid, abusive, derogatory, and clearly wrong by the guidelines set up as acceptable conduct to be followed in making posts within this group.    Contribute, ask questions, and try to add something of worth here.  Having rude/mean spirited fun at the expense of others or single person is maybe not the most productive use of your time here, and could get you blocked if making a habit out of this kind of thing.

Guysonic you just summed yourself up real nice. Now practice this yourself.
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Jack Goff on April 25, 2007, 12:56:10 PM
Quote
So, I will suggest you NOT FUCK WITH MY GEAR   so YOU KNOW for certain this type of post is just plain stupid, abusive, derogatory, and clearly wrong by the guidelines set up as acceptable conduct to be followed in making posts within this group.    Contribute, ask questions, and try to add something of worth here.  Having rude/mean spirited fun at the expense of others or single person is maybe not the most productive use of your time here, and could get you blocked if making a habit out of this kind of thing.

Guysonic you just summed yourself up real nice. Now practice this yourself.

no kidding, i couldn't have described this hypocrite more accurately myself! and this guysonic sells stuff around here?
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Brian Skalinder on April 25, 2007, 01:40:49 PM
Take it to PMs, please.
Title: Re: R-09 Now OR Wait for the Zoom H2??
Post by: Nick's Picks on April 25, 2007, 04:24:23 PM
what will the Prime Minister have to say that isn't all ready covered here?
:))