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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: edtyre on May 02, 2007, 04:40:39 PM
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Recently bought Razorback's mk4>nbox+ rig
Ran it once in the field so far and i love it!
(MMW @ Grand Opera House Wilmington 4/28/07)
Can only afford one more set of caps and need advise.
I tape mostly from my seat at seated concerts,
but once in a while i go to GA shows and more
than once in a while go to bars and nightclubs.
Also do a few outdoor shows in the summer months.
I was thinking of getting the mk41's for the less than great
sounding rooms and the times where the seats aren't in the best spot.
While i'm asking.....i know some of you run mk4v's stealth instead of 4's
What's the difference in the sound?
Any opinions?
ed
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If you stealth and you can get close to the source run 21's. Don't get 41's unless you see alot of shows in BIG venues, over 3000 people.
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id get the mk41's in a heartbeat over the mk21's. i would think youd use the hypers more than the subs, but YMMV. which capsule would you use more?
mk4v's have a slight HF bump, which I DEFINITELY prefer over the mk4
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At one point I owned the MK4's, MK21's and the MK41's. I found the MK41's to be the best all around capsules for taping anywhere from small bars, to outdoor bluegrass festivals, to Phish at MSG in the section. I liked them so much that I sold my entire rig and went with a pair of CCM41's. I found that the 41's sounded great even when close mic'd to the stacks. A lot of people will tell you that you shouldn't or can't use hypers up front, I found this to be the furthest from the truth. Wish I still had them.............
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you can get close to the source run 21's. Don't get 41's unless you see alot of shows in BIG venues, over 3000 people.
I'll go with this too. Love the 21's, don't understand why more folks don't run them. They own up front, hands down.
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At one point I owned the MK4's, MK21's and the MK41's. I found the MK41's to be the best all around capsules for taping anywhere from small bars, to outdoor bluegrass festivals, to Phish at MSG in the section. I liked them so much that I sold my entire rig and went with a pair of CCM41's. I found that the 41's sounded great even when close mic'd to the stacks. A lot of people will tell you that you shouldn't or can't use hypers up front, I found this to be the furthest from the truth. Wish I still had them.............
agreed! I run my hypers DFC/FOB to big festies outdoors far away from the section. one thing ive noticed is theyre def the MOST consistent capsule from the 480 line and they kick major ass :)
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mk41
the mk21's can sound amazing, in the right location with the right setup
edit: reread the thread, realized you already own the mk4 :P
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If it were me I'd most certainly go with the 41s.
Jesse
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I was thinking of getting the mk41's for the less than great
sounding rooms and the times where the seats aren't in the best spot.
If it were me I would do this. 21's can be sick but I think the combo of 4 & 41 would be more versatile than 4 & 21.
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While i'm asking.....i know some of you run mk4v's stealth instead of 4's
What's the difference in the sound?
mk4v cap (vertical) orientation makes it easier to conceal in a brim of a kangol while running near ORTF. the mk4v has a rise in the 8-15khz which apparently helps to make speech more intellegible and has more even off axis response.
to be honest, if you think that the Schoeps sound is a bit dark, this cap overcomes the darkness with the rise in the higher frequencies. if you tape a bit further back, this will be a benefit.
major drawback: the cap is almost 1000 a piece new. used: seen them as low as a 1000 a pair, but only once in the past two years; I'd say you should expect to pay at least 1200 used for them now due the the price increase, if they ever show up.
email me if you interested in seeing a mount which will completely conceal caps and let you run near ORTF (95-110 degrees, center of the caps 16.5cm apart in a large cap).
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one problem about stealthing the 4vs is the side address can get rotated and end up pointed up/down or even directly at your forehead if you don't have them secured properly.
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one problem about stealthing the 4vs is the side address can get rotated and end up pointed up/down or even directly at your forehead if you don't have them secured properly.
Brian (freelunch), bless his soul, set me up with the most carefree mount that he uses with mk4s. I just added my twist to it and came up with something that is nearly ORTF in terms of cap to cap distance and dead on for angle when used in conjunction with mk4v caps. There is no rotational movement of the cap unless you are really tweaking it on purpose (the collette neck locks down with a nut/cable holder/star washer/washer/thumbscrew that is mounted on lexan). That goes true for the angle between the caps, no movement under normal conditions. If you are headbanging in the moshpit, then all bets are off.
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1) mk4 and/or v
2) mk41 and/or v
3) mk21
4) mk2s
5) mk8
in a perfect world with more loot id probably build my cap collection in this order >:D
and thanks for posting your mmw pull, cant wait to check it out +TEE
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Brian (freelunch), bless his soul, set me up with the most carefree mount that he uses with mk4s.
Glad they're working well. Have to agree that there is very little cap-shift anxiety with that method. But to give credit where credit is due, a taper who must remain nameless originally posted a pic of that setup using schoeps sgc clips. That, and my cheapness, inspired the version with the inexpensive clips. So I surely can't take credit for the original idea.
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i need help doing this for my ccm4v's
PM's sent
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I've run 2's, 21's, 4's, 41's, and 4v's. I have owned 4's, 4v's, and just picked up a pair of 41's. I would definitely go for the 41's and keep the 4's. I ran 4's then 4v's and back to 4's and ate my lunch on the sell of the 4v's. I ended up liking the sound of the 4's better in general with my rigs.
The 21's are nice but limited use. The 2's even more limited.
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Thanks for the advise and for the stealth pics.
I decided to go with the mk41's and with some great
help from a few members here, i now own a pair.
ed
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get the 41's first for sure. Then take a gander at the 21's next, maybe 2's and 3's (omni's) if you are feeling adventerous.
41's are one of the best overall caps you can get....I sold mine to upgrade my hometheater...but I know I will miss them badly.
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If I were you I'd sell the 4's, and get 21's and 41's. .
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Edtyre,
I would NOT recommend the 4V's for what you do, not for any sonic reasons but for the reason of lateral pickup, and very tough to mount 4v's stealth.
Love your stuff on Dime !
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Edtyre,
I would NOT recommend the 4V's for what you do, not for any sonic reasons but for the reason of lateral pickup, and very tough to mount 4v's stealth.
Love your stuff on Dime !
In the Kangol I feel that mounting the 4v's is much easier.
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I pulled my best tapes with mk21h/mk8 midside. Doesn't work so well if you can't get to a sweet spot, but if you can, the results are unbeatable.
I had a friend who had a great stealth setup with cmbis and mk4vs. Run them taped to your chest, ortf, under a light shirt. VERY low profile.
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You can run the 21's x,y up extreme FOB, and NOS from the sweet spot. You will probably get more use out of the 41's though.
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Thanks for the advise and for the stealth pics.
I decided to go with the mk41's and with some great
help from a few members here, i now own a pair.
ed
good move! I think hypers are useful in most indoor situations, but I like the 41s in most any environment.
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4 years ago I owned the 41's and 21's. Sold 'em. Thinking of going back. This time around I'm leaning towards the CCM4's. All this talk of the 4V's has me thinking. Does the high end bump really help those who are/were not real happy with the dark side? I'm keeping my 463's for those "hyper" situations, so I won't be looking at the 41's this time around. Just want the best card cap Schoeps has, and not so much of that dark sound.