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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: F.O.Bean on May 31, 2007, 06:17:52 PM
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http://sounddevices.com/download/722-firmware.htm#known (http://sounddevices.com/download/722-firmware.htm#known)
anyone d/l yet? i dont see anything that catches my eye to upgrade to 2.15 from 2.10
I probably wont upgrade til the flac encoding comes into play....
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I'm still using version 1.74. It's worked flawlessly. Is there any real benefit to updating to version x.xx? And if so, what version is beneficial yet bug free? Thanks for any input.
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2.10 has been ROCK SOLID for me :)
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2.10 has been ROCK SOLID for me :)
Am I missing out on anything though? I guess I'm hesitant to mess with a good thing. And I'm with ya on the flac feature; I'd be upgrading now if that was in the picture. Hopefully soon. :)
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2.10 has been ROCK SOLID for me :)
Am I missing out on anything though? I guess I'm hesitant to mess with a good thing. And I'm with ya on the flac feature; I'd be upgrading now if that was in the picture. Hopefully soon. :)
well, i like some features on 2.10 you can rename files after theyve been recorded on the 722, thats kinda neat. just read all of the fixes since 1.74 :) lots to warrant an upgrade IMO
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I'm still using version 1.74. It's worked flawlessly. Is there any real benefit to updating to version x.xx? And if so, what version is beneficial yet bug free? Thanks for any input.
If you sent it in for the hardware update or have a new unit, there's the ability to record to an external drive.
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I bought mine as Sound Devices were just starting the 2.0 upgrade. Thus, mine has a "2.0 ready" sticker on the bottom. But I never had the update done to it. I'll read up the updates.
Thanks for the input Bean & Matt. I do love the 722! :headphones:
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I bought mine as Sound Devices were just starting the 2.0 upgrade. Thus, mine has a "2.0 ready" sticker on the bottom. But I never had the update done to it. I'll read up the updates.
Thanks for the input Bean & Matt. I do love the 722! :headphones:
best piece of gear ive ever owned/ran ;D
the pre's are really impressing me lately when i actually give them a chance. been thinkin of selling the V2 actually tehyre such a great match with the 480's :) any more questions, feel free to ask :)
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I'm sticking with 2.10 myself for the time being. Looks like this release might have introduced a bug...
Bizarre crash with new firmware. I had a strange problem crop up shortly after installing 2.15. Installation went fine, Reset system time and proceeded to record several test files about 10 to 15 seconds each. Recording 1 channel 24 bit 48k. After recording several files without incident, I recorded some with cue markers in the middle.
Then after the 6th or 7th take, the LCD display became corrupted. Large numbers disappeared and random dots and lines appeared on display. Some fields were still readable but most were corrupted. (I have pictures) When I would go to the Menu and scroll through the items they would all appear normal except the top line was just a single row of dots. Shut down then removed all power and re-booted 744t. Same display problems after re-boot. Mostly unreadable. Tried several shut down re-start cycles and display still corrupted. Start-up SD logo animation is also corrupted. Machine still seems to function but display is mostly unusable when recording or playing. Re-loaded firmware version 2.10 and all was fine. Display returned to normal. Recorded a few files and all works as it did before. Re-Loaded Version 2.15 and recorded a few more files. So far I have not been able to repeat the display corruption problem.
Could have just been some fluke or perhaps a bad install although no errors were ever reported. But thought I would mention it here to see if any strange thing like this happens to anybody else.
---Courtney
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thanks for the tip m. will be sticking with 2.10 for now.
Brett.
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thanks for the tip m. will be sticking with 2.10 for now.
Brett.
me too :) i wont upgrade til teh flac encoding is bug free for sure :)
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Just upgraded today I'll keep everyone informed.
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whats everyone using for a CF card? most compatible/cheapest/largest...
ive been recording onto the HD only for the past year now with no issues
bu ti figured its time for a little backup just in case, TIA
EDIT: nevermind, just noticed there was a child board or this section ;D
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,75115.0.html
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I'm still on 1.46. :-[ What am I missing here? Faster transfer is all that would interest me at this point. Flac would be nice. Any other mission critical things I'm missing out on? Anyway way of grabbing a newer version thats not 2.15?
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I'm camped out on 1.46 and don't run CF so don't plan on moving anytime soon.
i have 2.10, and i also have a 120 gb Western Digital HD, so i am all set. don't want to upgrade firmware yet.
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so, anyone ran 2.15 for a few shows and no issues ???
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I'm still on 1.46. :-[ What am I missing here? Faster transfer is all that would interest me at this point. Flac would be nice. Any other mission critical things I'm missing out on? Anyway way of grabbing a newer version thats not 2.15?
1.46 - hmm long time ago. I believe later versions has faster firewire transfer, not revolutionary. And I believe there was a bug in the rumble filter that was later changed. Anyway, all the info is on the SD home page, it is a long list of changes.
http://www.sounddevices.com/download/722-firmware.htm
It is not widely published, but most versions seems to be there for download. Just change the file name to the version you are after. Example:
http://www.sounddevices.com/download/7_firmware/722_2.10.zip
Gunnar
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so, anyone ran 2.15 for a few shows and no issues ???
...no issues on my 702 running 24/96 and 24/44 for 5 shows going mic(s) > SD.
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so, anyone ran 2.15 for a few shows and no issues ???
...no issues on my 702 running 24/96 and 24/44 for 5 shows going mic(s) > SD.
GREAT news. im upgrading shortly!
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FWIW, I upgraded to 2.15 before I recorded Jazzam/The Blue Method on frida, and I wrote JUST to my 8GB CF Card and all worked fine. I recorded 2 sets about 1:30 to 1:45 a piece and all was well in SD-Land :)
Now im ready for the damn flac encoding release :) It would be nice if it came in the summertime, because of all of the shows folks hit, but whatever, I can wait. If its one thing I got, its time 8)
I love how easy it is to make folder's and simply store them on the 722's INHDD. I dont think they erase when you format either. I think tahts a fix on 2.15 to previous firmware. I think older firmwares deleted folder/track names :) when I go to record a band I tape kind of often, like moe, i simply go to my scene folder and find 'moe' and BAM. if i am recording moe that night, it is put into my moe folder :) and now you can rename tracks after theyve been recorded if you forgot to pre-name the track before it was recorded :) pretty slick IMO
I LOVE this box. it was revolutionary when it wa sreleased, but SD didnt stop there. They are constantly thinking of ways to make it better and better and the steady firmware upgrades is a great sign of thinsg to come. if Hardware version 2.0 wasnt big enough with firewire recording to an EXHDD(which, according to SD's website and video I just watched, it is just a SIMPLE plug n play with a compatible firewire EXHDD and BAM, recording to the EXHDD can start) now they are coming out with the first HQ flac-encodable recorder. Simply revolutionary is an understatement IMO.
******FLUFF MODE OFF*******
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also, I watched that video from SD that someone posted the otehr day,a nd the DVD-Ram recording looks promising. You need that buffer/filter that theys ell so you dont introduce weird noise from the powering of it, or something like that. But you can either write to the DVD-Ram real-time or just copy files to the DVD-Ram after theyve been recorded to the 7xx INHDD/CF Card. I think making a DVD-Ram of the files after theyve been recorded at a festivals eems like a GREAT idea. as long as you could find a nice and compact DVD-Ram drive
Anyone have info or links to a decent DVD-RAM drive I could use with the 722 ??? If they are cheap enough, I might pick one up, along with the CL-1 or whatever the SD Filter they sell to buffer/filter the DVD-RAM drive is. Wonder how much that little filter is? Also, does anyone know how much decent DVD-RAM blanks are ??? I'm going to do some research right now. For going on the road, or hell, even in your hoemtown, to have a cheap(hopefully) physical copy(DVD_RAM) would be a beautiful thing. I just dont know DICK about DVD-RAM drives. Could an md5 be placed on the DVD-RAM disc to ensure my copy is 100% once i transfer from DVD-RAM>PC ??? or does DVD-RAM ahve a file integrity checksum built into itself when transferring like firewire does?
Isnt it true that firewire checks what its copying and has a sort of CRC in it to make sure what it transferred is copied there 100% ??? or is that just urban legend taper talk ???
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I LOVE this box. it was revolutionary when it wa sreleased, but SD didnt stop there. They are constantly thinking of ways to make it better and better and the steady firmware upgrades is a great sign of thinsg to come.
I love how they aren't trying to sell us new versions of the product to get new features. They have built a solid platform which they are extending..
Isnt it true that firewire checks what its copying and has a sort of CRC in it to make sure what it transferred is copied there 100% or is that just urban legend taper talk
That is generally true.. HOWEVER.. There are vast numbers of 3rd party drivers involved in the process on the PC side. Those drivers vary and any one of them can have a bug. I had a PC that would corrupt DMA transfers to disk once in a while. Took me a long time to sort out and the only fix was to stop using the MB disk controller and switch to a PCI based disk controller. Years ago I would have mostly dismissed the chance of silent data corruption but now I err more on the side of expecting it.
Those little boxes that copy CF and SD cards to cheap hard drive are getting awful cheap on ebay.. Maybe a better option than writable opti when on the road.
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I LOVE this box. it was revolutionary when it wa sreleased, but SD didnt stop there. They are constantly thinking of ways to make it better and better and the steady firmware upgrades is a great sign of thinsg to come.
I love how they aren't trying to sell us new versions of the product to get new features. They have built a solid platform which they are extending..
Isnt it true that firewire checks what its copying and has a sort of CRC in it to make sure what it transferred is copied there 100% or is that just urban legend taper talk
That is generally true.. HOWEVER.. There are vast numbers of 3rd party drivers involved in the process on the PC side. Those drivers vary and any one of them can have a bug. I had a PC that would corrupt DMA transfers to disk once in a while. Took me a long time to sort out and the only fix was to stop using the MB disk controller and switch to a PCI based disk controller. Years ago I would have mostly dismissed the chance of silent data corruption but now I err more on the side of expecting it.
Those little boxes that copy CF and SD cards to cheap hard drive are getting awful cheap on ebay.. Maybe a better option than writable opti when on the road.
agreed bud! Also, with the flac-encoding on the way, I nor will alot of folks even have to transfer at all. I already have a Ridata Pro 150x 8GB'er and depending on how much on average of compression we are gonna get at 24/48/24/96, it may almost double card capacity. at least rasie it a good bit more even if it doesnt get 2:1 compression. Still saving cf card users and making it easy on them/us/me. even extending the INHDD as well for LONG festies. All I would need for a festival is a 16GB cf card(which are dirt cheap now too) and im covered with only 24GB of cf card space since the flac encoding wil help me out :) battery (obviously) seems to last awhile longer when only recording to cf card. And I trust cf media and no moving parts more than a spinning HDD. And the heat reduction is a DRAMATIC difference compared to running/spinning the HDD.
and you are so true about the platform. def a kickass company thats willing to do what the PUBLIC wants it to to enhance its products, not what they think they should do in alot of cases. its kind of a small community where our opinions DO count and any suggestion may get turned into a reality :) I honestly dont know what the hell they could do next to any of the 7xx boxes to enhance them ??? Can anyone think of anything new they'd like implemented into the 7xx series? Anything? For once, I'm stumped on this, with teh addition of teh flac encoding, I cant think of ANYTHING, since I was always hoping thatwould become a reality. and it did! I know it doesnt eman alot to some of you that just sue the INHDD, but us folks that would rather run cf media like me, this is great news!
Actually, I would like wicked fast firewire speeds, but I am def not complaining about its FW speeds now. I am not spoiled, I started out transferring to DATS/cassettes/cd-r's and you all know the dreaded REAL-TIME TRANSFER. So as longa s I dont ahve to wait 2 hrs per set like I used to, I'm a happy tapir! And realistically, my 722 takes about 5-10 min per 2GB WAV file, maybe around 7 mins or so. The time floats right and i sometimes forget i was even transferring it from the 722>PC :smoking: 8)
come on folks, id love to hear opinions/suggestions on what could/would make the 7xx better to suite your needs as a tapir. For once, I am drawing a blank. I guess if it had a v2 and a PSP-2 switch as well as the preamps already in it :) cant they just take my INHDD out and put v2 and PSP-2 guts in there somewhere? ;D
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I just upgraded to 2.15, all seems ok but now the time counter only reads to the tenth of a second rather than to the hundredth of a second like it did before.
Any one else have this happen?
Doesnt really matter, just curious if the upload went as it should have.
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I just upgraded to 2.15, all seems ok but now the time counter only reads to the tenth of a second rather than to the hundredth of a second like it did before.
Any one else have this happen?
Doesnt really matter, just curious if the upload went as it should have.
I didn't even notice at first. Just got mine back from SD and they loaded 2.15 on it. Did it go to hundredth of a second before 2.15? I think you are right, but not a big deal for me either. Maybe for film use it could be a problem? :hmmm:
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now they are coming out with the first HQ flac-encodable recorder. Simply revolutionary is an understatement IMO.
******FLUFF MODE OFF*******
well, gordon's live 2496 pda software does flac, but flac is a good thing in any case!
I can get like 14 hours on a 4gb CF card at 16/44 in flac.
unfortunately, everybodys waiting on the new flac source code to be released so 24-bit flac is reliable. hopefully later this year
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unfortunately, everybodys waiting on the new flac source code to be released so 24-bit flac is reliable. hopefully later this year
It isn't? No issues with any of my 24-bit FLAC and that goes back to 2002, when I started recording in 24-bit.
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Hey folks, I have a qestion. I have been recording with just teh cf card in my 722, and I can get about 2 extra hrs per battery pack when just running the CF card. So my question is: Would I be better off riting to just teh cf card, and when the cf card gets to about 6-7 hrs, should i write to cf card and then copy cf card>INHDD ??? Would I save battery power, or just eat up valuable time inbetween sets that I may not have ??? I did copy a few things from cf card>INHDD and INHDD>cf card and its pretty damn slow as a card reader. I may be cutting it close wiring to teh cf card and then transferring/copying from cf card>INHDD inbetween sets tho :( I bet that would save overall power. if the 722 could read/write from cf card>INHDD a bit quicker, then id do it at all good but......
Also, I like fozzy's idea of using an EXHDD drive, and then that cuts out the transferring all together :) Just unplug the EXHDD from the 722 and plug it into your PC 8) very slick IMO. no more transfers ever!
and when is a firmware coming out that reduces shutdown when writing to a cf card ??? it can be SLOW shutting down. when just writing to teh INHDD, shutdown is alot quicker. and when i write to BOTH the INHDD and the cf card, shutdown is even longer than just the cf card shutdown :( this is sadly my ONLY complaint with the 722. not too shabby ;D
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unfortunately, everybodys waiting on the new flac source code to be released so 24-bit flac is reliable. hopefully later this year
It isn't? No issues with any of my 24-bit FLAC and that goes back to 2002, when I started recording in 24-bit.
Currently, Flac has to write verbatim frames a lot of the time with 24-bit data. To me it seems to be with files that use the topmost bits of the scale.
The next flac release will have the new decoder so that hardware devices can implement it. I heard that the new encoder will be in the release that follows that one.
Gordon
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To be sure I understand: verbatim frames = uncompressed audio?
It's not really a question of reliability then, but rather one of optimization.
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To be sure I understand: verbatim frames = uncompressed audio?
It's not really a question of reliability then, but rather one of optimization.
Yes, that's correct.
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After finding more flac bugs, I still don't get the impression that the flac development team is concerned with reliability or robustness. When problems occur they tend to point the finger elsewhere - fix your file system, fix your wav headers, etc. So I would never want to rely on it for recording.
I agree. But since I have a 744, it wouldn't help me any since I would still have to decode before mixing. That's just a waste of time.