Hi all -
I was assuming that the Apogee MM could do both analog out and digital out. I'm looking for a better pre- front end to my Korg MR-1 (so I can use line-in rather than the Korg pre's), and figured I might as well get something that could also do digital just to have the flexibility of using with my MT. I know the V3 can output both analog and digital, allowing it to be used as just a pre, but I can't see how that can be done with the MM. Am I missing something?
Thanks in advance -
Mike
the only analog output from the MiniMe is the 1/8" headphone jack. this will output audio before the A/D section, but it's not really ideal because it is just an 1/8" jack.
get a mini-MP instead ...
there is nothing wrong w/a 1/8th jack. Its just not balanced. no different than RCA inputs when you think of it.
the MMP sounds absolutely nothing like the MME
IMO, FWIW, YMMV
:)
Ugh, that's what I thought. My whole plan was to have the MR-1 do all the A/D, but the pre's in that are pretty poor (not so much in terms of noise, but they can't take a very dynamic signal) so I need something to get my mics to line-level. Since the primary purpose is to feed better line-level signal to my MR-1, running through the headphone out (which presumably also involves a headphone amp / more noise?) is sub-optimal. Nutz. Anyone run their MiniMe taking analog out of the headphone jacks?
Nick, just a question - you mention that the MMp sounds nothing like the MME - can you describe any of the difference? Now that the MM's kinda blown as an option, my choice is to pony up the $$$ for a V3 to get pre and A/D capability, or go pure pre (which will save me some $$$ - something like a SD MixPre or the like)...
Thanks!!
Mike
to my ears, the MMP sounds like a V2>ad1k rig, only outputting an analog signal.
but...its a little warmer..has more features...
i dont know, I just freakin' love it.
straight up analog preamp > MR1 is the way to go Mike. thats what I run too.
the MMe to me was very rounded sounding. a little too fat. nice sound though..just not my cup of tea w/the mics I used w/it when I ran one. the minimicpre just has a sweetness to it..., and is perfect for the mr1 w/its output attenuation option.
Thanks Nick!!!
(will +t when I hit 50 posts...<grin>)
Are the MP's outputs are balanced? I haven't checked it out yet...and want to run it into unbalanced TS 1/4" jacks sometimes.
I personally like the mmp better than the v2 or the analog section of the v3.
yes, outputs are balanced XLRs.
no headphone jack.
I also like it better than the v2/3.
Its got clarity, detail, speed, monsterous 3d presentation..., and apogee flavor.
if your looking for a preamp not the a/d the
mini me probably isnt your best bet
its the top of the line a/d you should take advatage of that
not many other have the presence the mini me does
but the pre is a little light particularly in the lower end
go for the sonosax or the v3
and go digitally in
sax?
ugh
no digi in on the MR1. its a DSD deck.
Quote from: Nick's Picks on July 18, 2007, 11:03:33 AM
sax?
ugh
no digi in on the MR1. its a DSD deck.
Exactly. Looks like I'll be going pure analog line into the MR-1 as you recommended Nick. So now I'm down to:
V3 / V2
Apogee MMP
SD MixPre
Of those, my best cost/size is looking like the SD MixPre. The MMP looks interesting, but the SD MixPre's size and cost are giving it an edge. I don't have a strong preference between the SD and the Apogee sound, so I'm thinking the SD will suit my needs. Now to find a quality used one...<grin>
Mike
check this torrent out, or I can upload a sample when I get home from work:
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=508017
This is the MME -> headphone out -> Archos GMNI @ line-in.
I didn't have enough space and battery on my lappy to run 24/48 for every act, so I ran the GMNI for YMSB.
Thanks Rust!!! I'll check it when I get home from work tonight (work as the url blocked...)
If size is the issue, the mixpre is a great choice. Nice transformer sound (lundahls at that! 8) ). If size isn't, go apogee.
My .02
IMO, the apogee sounds better, but that footprint is atrocious.
both can be had around the same price. the apogee is more familiar and pleasing to my ear.
If you bought a minime for the preamps, you may be the first. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough, when I had one, and it was the preamps that sucked. Do yourself a favor and buy a minimp, psp2, or v2.
Quote from: Kevin Straker on August 02, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
If you bought a minime for the preamps, you may be the first. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough, when I had one, and it was the preamps that sucked. Do yourself a favor and buy a minimp, psp2, or v2.
The AD is why I'd buy a mme.
Also take a look at the areco mp-2. Same flavor as the psp-2 / 148
areco's are almost a lame duck recommendation.
near impossible to find.
I actually have used the MME headphone output several times before, even to DSD. I don't have a MME anymore but thought the headphone out sounded much better than any digitally converted signal out of the MME.
Quote from: Nick's Picks on August 02, 2007, 05:39:13 PM
areco's are almost a lame duck recommendation.
near impossible to find.
For 750 you can buy one new. much easier than finding a psp-2 or v2.
I guess I was thinking psp2 actually when I posted.
ok, scratch that.
Quote from: MattH on August 02, 2007, 10:25:12 PM
I actually have used the MME headphone output several times before, even to DSD. I don't have a MME anymore but thought the headphone out sounded much better than any digitally converted signal out of the MME.
ditto
I used to send patches to the occassional MD user via the 1/8 out on the minime...
Quote from: stirinthesauce on July 18, 2007, 12:30:17 PM
If size is the issue, the mixpre is a great choice. Nice transformer sound (lundahls at that! 8) ). If size isn't, go apogee.
My .02
Isn't that the same transformers used in the sd mp-2?
same company..., so it wouldn't surprise me.
the mix pre is like the "new" version of the mp2
I have been looking at that Apogee Mini-MP. I guess I could run the analog XLR outputs into my PMD660, but with the phantom power turned off, correct?
Hi NOLA -
Nope.
There are no analog XLR outputs - check the pictures of the unit. There are 2x XLR inputs, but the only outputs are the headphone jack and the SPDIF. There is also an AES/EBU, but I think that's also an output, for digital out and "world clock" function (but that's just a guess). I was thinking along the same lines as you, until I took a look at the pictures and couldn't figure out where the heck the analog-out was.
http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/minime.php
Interesting note from their website: "As of July 25th, 2007, Mini-Me is no longer available."
Looks like it's out of production, I wonder if they're going to replace it.....
Mike
Quote from: landshark on August 20, 2007, 04:08:05 PM
Hi NOLA -
Nope.
There are no analog XLR outputs - check the pictures of the unit. There are 2x XLR inputs, but the only outputs are the headphone jack and the SPDIF. There is also an AES/EBU, but I think that's also an output, for digital out and "world clock" function (but that's just a guess). I was thinking along the same lines as you, until I took a look at the pictures and couldn't figure out where the heck the analog-out was.
http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/minime.php
Interesting note from their website: "As of July 25th, 2007, Mini-Me is no longer available."
Looks like it's out of production, I wonder if they're going to replace it.....
Mike
I see xlr ins and outs in these pics:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MiniMP/
and I was wondering the same thing NOLA, how would the mini MP sound in front of the pmd 660 =D
Quote from: NOLAfishwater on August 20, 2007, 03:29:17 PM
I have been looking at that Apogee Mini-MP.
Sorry but the Mini-ME was discontinued as of July 27th. I was talking about the Mini-MP.
hmmm.....
I have no idea how that would sound, but i'm sure it would be cool.
Love my MMP.