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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: waltmon on July 21, 2007, 01:52:13 PM
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I snagged a set of MK4's and was curious which model active cables I needed and which of the mounts I need to go with them.
Thanks
Walt-Mon
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you'll probably want a pair of kc5 or the kcy and AK I/2. Info is about half way down this page...
http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/acc-mod-electric.html
you can get a schoeps kwon bar to mount them with...
http://www.cascademedia.net/categories.asp?catid=253
what bodies did you get?
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CMC 6....
I've never messed with any Schoeps stuff before, but I thought I could have some pretty unique matrix's..ie: 4022's/mk4's
U89 hyper's /mk4's.
I wanted to make sure I snagged the right actives to keep it small and the right mounts. I know all the Neumann stuff is pretty specific also.
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For mounting options, Schoeps A20S shockmount ($102) (http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton04.html#table1) plus...
<1> DIN / DINA Kwonbars ($75/ea) (http://www.cascademedia.net/categories.asp?catid=124) + Schoeps STCg ORTF bar ($132) (http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton03.html#table6)
or
<2> Vark bar ($49) (http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html) + Schoeps SGC clips ($20/ea) (http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton03.html#table5), covers DIN, DINA, XY, ORTF, and variable angles for all
Add in an NOS Kwonbar ($80) (http://www.cascademedia.net/categories.asp?catid=124), if you want that option.
I like <2> because the Vark bar provides flexibility: I can vary my included angle as circumstances dictate (sometimes wider, sometimes narrower), run XY, etc.
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Nice...
I have a Vark Bar. I was using it with the Neumann mounts, but I went to a verticle bar w/ ther Nuemann clips. I have all the active stuff for my 100 series, but I liked the sound of the 140's as a complete mic, with my silver cables better.
I was thinking for running 4 channel, I could mount the varc or any of the active set-ups in the middle of a longer T-bar. I have a nice 20 " plus T-Bar for mounting the U89's....that varc would be perfect in the middle.
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So the SGC clips are for the active set up and will screw directly to the vark bar?
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So the SGC clips are for the active set up and will screw directly to the vark bar?
Yes.
I was thinking for running 4 channel, I could mount the varc or any of the active set-ups in the middle of a longer T-bar.
FWIW, when I've run 4-ch mics, I've preferred one of the mic pairs coincident to help cut down on phasing. I also found I liked my LDs (414s) coincident with the SDs (Schoeps) near-coincident or split. Your preferences may vary, just my $0.02. Have fun!
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I was actually thinking x/y in the middle of a 110 pair.
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FWIW, when I've run 4-ch mics, I've preferred one of the mic pairs coincident to help cut down on phasing. I also found I liked my LDs (414s) coincident with the SDs (Schoeps) near-coincident or split. Your preferences may vary, just my $0.02. Have fun!
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I would have to agree
unless you're running on stage
or doing a spaced omni and other array
running 4 mics can just add noise
either by the amount of connections
or by causing weird phasing
unless you plan on running multiple mics on stage
stick with a nice pair in the audience and that will sound awesome
rember the cowboy junkies Trinity sessions
one stereo mic in the sweetspot (in an old church)
most excellent sound
I did the multi mic mix (up to 6) thinking that each has their own benefits and the sums would be indeed better, bu my experience is that truly a single pair sound better.
there's my 2¢
peace
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[quote author=
FWIW, when I've run 4-ch mics, I've preferred one of the mic pairs coincident to help cut down on phasing. I also found I liked my LDs (414s) coincident with the SDs (Schoeps) near-coincident or split. Your preferences may vary, just my $0.02. Have fun!
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I did the multi mic mix (up to 6) thinking that each has their own benefits and the sums would be indeed better, bu my experience is that truly a single pair sound better.
there's my 2¢
peace
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Thanks for that info. I like to think that two good mics, placed well can do it best.
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If you are buying mounts from scratch I would get some Shure A55's. If my A20's break again, I'll replace them with the Shure models. They are cheaper and more durable. I would get some kc5 cables and a pair of shorty xlr interconnects. The stg or stc clips will work well with the vark bar. I would get kwons ortf bar for the mk4 caps.
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there are some good diy vark bars in the photo section if you are into that
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get an nbox and the mounts that skalinder posted links too...disregard the nbox comment, i see that you posted that you already had mic bodies
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im using an a20s shock mount, with two sg20 stand clamps, and a homemade spacer (some 20mm pvc rod, drilled and tapped with 3/8 studs in each end.)
I have some different length spacers, so overall you get the low profile of the ortf bar, with the adjustability of the vark bar.
considering i usually run fob, i rarely stick to established patterns like ortf. and this is a very very low profile setup.
I've got a 5' length of pvc if somebody wants a piece
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jerryfreak, where did you get that nice middle piece?
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I use the Shure A27M and two Shure A53M mounts. I got the A27M out of the yard sale. They are both rugged and work. The Schoeps mounting brackets are flimsy. I am not sure why you do not want to screw the Mk4's onto the CMC6's. It is an option.
Cheers
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I am not sure why you do not want to screw the Mk4's onto the CMC6's. It is an option.
a lot of tapers prefer the ease of setup and small footprint of an active cable setup. it's really nice when you are clamping to a stand with 4-5 other sets of mics on it.