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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: waltmon on July 22, 2007, 05:44:31 PM
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Which of the Schoeps caps are compatible with these bodies?
Thanks
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Check here: http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/menue-mod-mics.html.
There are a lot to choose from. The Mk4 seem to be the all around cap for this amp.
Cheers
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I can run hyper caps with these, correct?
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yes, the mk41s will work with the cmc6. any of the caps listed on this page will work with the cmc6... http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/mk-select.html
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Ok..
I was confused. They don't use the term hyper, correct? Super cardoid is the same as hyper? I know the 41's are considered hypers...
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They don't use the term hyper, correct? Super cardoid is the same as hyper?
yes and yes.
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....wurd.
Thanks man. I have been speaking Neumanneze for years. This will be a nice new flavor to the 4 channel salad
Looking forward to hear this eclectic blend >:D
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They don't use the term hyper, correct? Super cardoid is the same as hyper?
yes and yes.
Though most tapers use them interchangeably in the field, technically they're not the same.
Cardioids have a forward pattern of 130º, or +/- 65º from the forward axis. Supercardioids have a forward pattern of 115º, or +/-57.5º. Hypercardioids have a forward pattern of 105º, or +/- 52.5º.
Depending on frequency, they each attenuate frequencies from the rear to different degrees: cardioids at -15 dB and lower (i.e. higher negative number...-20...-25...etc.), supercardioids at -12 dB and lower, and hypercardioids at -6 dB and lower.
And the area of least sensitivity differs, too: cardioids at 180º, supercardioids at +/- 110º, and hypercardioids at +/- 125º.
What does all this mean? Basically, supercardioids don't have quite as tight a pattern as hypercardioids, and the supercardioid rear lobe is smaller.
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Does Schoeps have a true hypercard?
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Does Schoeps have a true hypercard?
Not that I know of. The MK41 supercardioid sounds great, though. :)
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waltmon, absolutely any Colette-series capsule (MK anything) works with the CMC 6 amplifier (body). That includes MK 2, MK 2H, MK 2S, MK 3, MK 4, MK 40, MK 41, MK 5, MK 6, MK 8 and quite a few others, including the BLM 3 and BLM 03 C boundary layer capsules.
The Schoeps MK 41 has a directional pattern that is somewhere between being supercardioid and hypercardioid. When the MK 41 design was introduced as part of the vacuum-tube M 221 B series in the 1960s, it was called the MK 241 and its pattern was a little more toward hypercardioid than it is today. Consultation with users resulted in a shift during the early 1970s more in the supercardioid direction. The main difference is, "where's the null angle?". It's a little farther back on a supercardioid, but closer to the side on a true hypercardioid.
Schoeps always used to call the MK 241 a hypercardioid capsule, and continued to do so for a little while after they adjusted the design (by then it was the MK 41 capsule of the solid-state CMT series), but then their U.S. rep at the time (Posthorn Recordings) decided to start calling it a supercardioid, and then Schoeps themselves decided to go along with that.
True hypercardioid microphones are quite rare. Look at the polar diagram for the Neumann KM 150 or KM 185, for example, which is listed as a "hypercardioid"--it, too, is somewhere between supercardioid and hypercardioid, and slightly closer to supercardioid if I recall correctly. The same is true of the "hypercardioid" setting of their U 89, TLM 170, USM 69 and TLM 127 microphones. The same is true if Sennheiser's MKH-series "hypercardioid" and Beyer's "hypercardioid" ribbons (the M 160 and M 260). All these microphones are somewhere in between--most being closer to supercardioid.
--best regards
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So MK41 is super cardoid...mk41v is a verticle version of the same capsule, or different sound wise?
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The Schoeps MK 41 has a directional pattern that is somewhere between being supercardioid and hypercardioid. When the MK 41 design was introduced...
Really enjoy the wealth of knowledge and history you bring to threads - thanks for posting!
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OK...so here's the next step. How about the MK41V > m222 > NT 222 stuff? Charles Fox from the Panic page runs those + MK21's etc to a 744 and that stuff is always amazing.
Are the m222's and nt 222's alternate amplifiers?
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the m222 is a tube based mic body and the NT222 is the specialized power unit for them. When coupled together they could replace the cmc6 bodies. There is both an AC and a DC based nt222 powering unit. for field use you'd probably want the DC based nt222
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and yes.... all of the same caps as well as the active accessories that work with the cmc6 will work with m22/nt222 setup.
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OK...so here's the next step. How about the MK41V > m222 > NT 222 stuff?
Love the sound of the M222/NT222. Not sure the MK41Vs are worth the extra cost over the MK41s.
Seems like a lot of questions without much discussion about your situation, goals, etc. What's your budget? How much stuff are you willing / able to schlep around? What do you plan on recording (e.g. amplified rock, unamplified bluegrass, unamplified strings, etc.), in what environments (bars, amphitheatres, performance halls?), from what positions (on-stage, up front, tapers section, studio), and in what general configurations (2-ch, 4-ch, multitrack, etc.)? What general "sound" do you like? Are these replacements for the KM140s / U89s / 4022s in your sig, or additions to the stable?
Lots of people make good recordings with Schoeps (or insert X brand here) gear. Lots of people make poor recordings with Schoeps (or insert X brand here) gear. The question is: what's going to be best for your particular situation, budget, goals, etc.
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The Schoeps MK 41 has a directional pattern that is somewhere between being supercardioid and hypercardioid. When the MK 41 design was introduced...
Really enjoy the wealth of knowledge and history you bring to threads - thanks for posting!
Don't forget the humor either. ;D
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Actually just familiarizing myself with the Planet Schoeps. I picked up a sequentially numbered, mint matched set of MK4/CMC6's this past weekend to add to the arsenal.
I was curious of what was compatible ie: actives, caps, mounts, etc. I definitely want a set of super cardoid caps...love the 41 sound.