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Gear / Technical Help => Photo / Video Recording => Topic started by: crackhead on July 26, 2007, 03:05:54 PM
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Show me your best ISO 1600 shots please. I am kinda not thrilled with the D70's noise and color performance at high ISO and am mulling an upgrade once I get some discretionary income.
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Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that the D80's performance (image quality) is virtually identical to the D200. You can see examples of D200, ISO1600 photos in Rig Pictures/WSP Radio City. They are certainly noisy, but there's almost no chroma noise. I don't mind some noise so long as I don't start seeing red and blue dots all over the place.
You could also go to www.dpreview.com and look at the noise tests for both cameras and compare.
-Frank
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I just picked up a D200 but had been using a d70 prior to that.....
Everything on this gallery is with either my D70 or D50
http://www.imagelume.com/proofing/Waka07/
Just a sample, as I know the Claypool stuff was at 1600, some of the other stuff may have been at 800...
(http://www.imagelume.com/proofing/Waka07/images/dsc_0346_1.jpg)
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The D80 and D200 use the same sensor, I think there may be some minor differences in how the 2 bodies process the image after it is taken, but they are very close. If you are really bugged by noise go get Noiseware. It really works wonders at noise reduction without making the image look not sharp.
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Everything on this gallery is with either my D70 or D50
http://www.imagelume.com/proofing/Waka07/
SO nice!
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The D80 and D200 use the same sensor, I think there may be some minor differences in how the 2 bodies process the image after it is taken, but they are very close. If you are really bugged by noise go get Noiseware. It really works wonders at noise reduction without making the image look not sharp.
i just want to give you huge props and +t for mentioning noiseware in another thread! I bought and downloaded the pro standalone version and must say, that it works wonders. I had no idea the difference it could make. Was out last night with my 20d and my 70-200L f/2.8 for it's maiden concert voyage. Lowlight caused me to have to bump the iso to 1600 to get proper handhold speeds (well not quite proper but I had a rest, time for a monopod). Anyways, pics were to noisy for my tastes though the underlying images were nice. I bought the noiseware as a whim to see if it made that much difference. Best 49 bucks I've spent in awhile! Totally transformed my images. I'm at work now but when I get home, I'm going to continue processing the images (I've got about 3.5 gigs worth to convert from raw>tiff>noiseware>photoshop) and then I'll post a few. Hopefully tomorrow I'll put some up.
The 70-200 is a BEAST in the field but well worth it on the end results from just a few days of playing around with it. Me likey! ;D
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Wow. Are the before/after examples on the Noiseware website typical results?
(The effect of their "Portraiture" plug-in is just plain ridiculous, but I assume there's considerable manual effort involved)
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Wow. Are the before/after examples on the Noiseware website typical results?
(The effect of their "Portraiture" plug-in is just plain ridiculous, but I assume there's considerable manual effort involved)
It's pretty darn awesome. I actually think Noiseware makes portraits very pleasing as well. It can really smooth the skin
Here's a 100% crop of the image above before/after. Totally default everything, just one quick click.....
I'm giving you guys all my secrets....
(http://www.imagelume.com/proofing/marketing/Noiseware%20Before.jpg)
(http://www.imagelume.com/proofing/marketing/Noiseware%20after.jpg)
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i just want to give you huge props and +t for mentioning noiseware in another thread! I bought and downloaded the pro standalone version and must say, that it works wonders. I had no idea the difference it could make. Was out last night with my 20d and my 70-200L f/2.8 for it's maiden concert voyage. Lowlight caused me to have to bump the iso to 1600 to get proper handhold speeds (well not quite proper but I had a rest, time for a monopod). Anyways, pics were to noisy for my tastes though the underlying images were nice. I bought the noiseware as a whim to see if it made that much difference. Best 49 bucks I've spent in awhile! Totally transformed my images. I'm at work now but when I get home, I'm going to continue processing the images (I've got about 3.5 gigs worth to convert from raw>tiff>noiseware>photoshop) and then I'll post a few. Hopefully tomorrow I'll put some up.
The 70-200 is a BEAST in the field but well worth it on the end results from just a few days of playing around with it. Me likey! ;D
Do you use actions? I usually do all my color correction etc and render the images out to a directory as Tiff or real HQ jpegs. Then just write an action that applies the Noiseware filter and saves the image again. Then in Photoshop go to File, Automate, Batch, point it at the directory and walk away.
Noiseware is amazing. I used to really avoid bumping the ISO and constantly fought motion blur, with Noiseware I just don't worry about the noise, overall sharpness is much more important, I let Noiseware take care of the noise.
Now if they would just write a audio plugin........
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i just want to give you huge props and +t for mentioning noiseware in another thread! I bought and downloaded the pro standalone version and must say, that it works wonders. I had no idea the difference it could make. Was out last night with my 20d and my 70-200L f/2.8 for it's maiden concert voyage. Lowlight caused me to have to bump the iso to 1600 to get proper handhold speeds (well not quite proper but I had a rest, time for a monopod). Anyways, pics were to noisy for my tastes though the underlying images were nice. I bought the noiseware as a whim to see if it made that much difference. Best 49 bucks I've spent in awhile! Totally transformed my images. I'm at work now but when I get home, I'm going to continue processing the images (I've got about 3.5 gigs worth to convert from raw>tiff>noiseware>photoshop) and then I'll post a few. Hopefully tomorrow I'll put some up.
The 70-200 is a BEAST in the field but well worth it on the end results from just a few days of playing around with it. Me likey! ;D
Do you use actions? I usually do all my color correction etc and render the images out to a directory as Tiff or real HQ jpegs. Then just write an action that applies the Noiseware filter and saves the image again. Then in Photoshop go to File, Automate, Batch, point it at the directory and walk away.
Noiseware is amazing. I used to really avoid bumping the ISO and constantly fought motion blur, with Noiseware I just don't worry about the noise, overall sharpness is much more important, I let Noiseware take care of the noise.
Now if they would just write a audio plugin........
Probably not since I'm not familiar with "actions". I usually use a program that came with my old canon rebel xt that does the batch conversion from raw to tiff. While I'm in there I will assign a white balance to one image, sometimes some simple color scheme if it is a small folder, copy the recipe and paste it to all the images. I then pick out the few I like, open in photoshop (I have photoshop 6), and do the fine tuning like cloning (for dust spots on the lens, etc), adjusting color exactly how I like, then done. I would like to shorten my workflow/make things easier. If you have tips, please share as I'm relatively new to processing. I took a workshop last month that dealt alot with photoshop, but not workflow. Just how to do some of the basics and explaining layering and other stuff.
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Actions are basically Photoshop Macros. They can do just about anything and are really pretty easy to use.
Here's a quick primer...
http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutorials/tt/actions.html
http://www.deviantart.com/view/5363910/
http://www.devco.net/archives/2003/04/05/beginners_photoshop_actions.php
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Actions are basically Photoshop Macros. They can do just about anything and are really pretty easy to use.
Here's a quick primer...
http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutorials/tt/actions.html
http://www.deviantart.com/view/5363910/
http://www.devco.net/archives/2003/04/05/beginners_photoshop_actions.php
Thanks for the links. :) plustee in 12
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here are a couple done with the D70 at high ISO (800 and +). Admittedly, I've had some mixed results, but it can still perform very well in concert settings:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/embassyinternational/Bell%20Orchestre/DSC_0024.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/embassyinternational/Concerts/cf191124.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/embassyinternational/Concerts/7ea56fd0.jpg)