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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: intpseeker on September 03, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
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I have the opportunity to record the Winterpills and am wondering about cap selection and mic config for the confined space and volume that I anticipate. Any thoughts? ???
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I did this for the first time recently, and a lot of it depends on how the musicians will be setup, and what you'll have access to. In my case the band was set up in a half circle, with (in clockwise order): acoustic guitar, drums, vocals, bass, keyboard, and lead guitar. I set up dead center in the middle of everyone running at about 3' high and Healy Method omni. I was running an R4 at the time and was able to take a line out of a speaker that was setup only for vocals (no one else was miked, just used their amps direct). Mixing the 2 tracks of just vocals with the 2 mic tracks turned out amazing.
I see you're running a 660, do you have access to any other deck? If so, I'd run pretty much exactly what I did if you can, that's also assuming you have the omni caps for the C4s.
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Is Healy where you have the omnis pointed at each other about a foot apart?
I may be able to get another deck. I like the idea of recording the vocals separate.
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Is Healy where you have the omnis pointed at each other about a foot apart?
I may be able to get another deck. I like the idea of recording the vocals separate.
Pointed away from each other, like this:
O----- -----O
Where the O is the omni cap and the ----- is the mic body. That would probably sound great in this situation.
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Gotcha. Any particular spacing or are the cable ends butted up to each other?
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theoretically they are supposed to be spaced about 7'' apart
that can be accomplished by using a spacer on 1 of the mic clips on a horizontal bar
or by using a vertical bar, or 2 "C" clamps
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theoretically they are supposed to be spaced about 7'' apart
Mine were LD mics (AKG 414) at either end of a standard AKG T-Bar, so somewhere in the 6" - 8" range as far as spacing.
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Just set it up and I can just do the 7" spacing with my bar. Theoretically, would you space differently for SD mics?
Not to beat this, but the band is facing 'north' and my caps are pointing 'east and west'?
Thanks for the help.
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Just set it up and I can just do the 7" spacing with my bar. Theoretically, would you space differently for SD mics?
Not to beat this, but the band is facing 'north' and my caps are pointing 'east and west'?
Thanks for the help.
....which is the beauty of omnis. Theoretically you could point them directly toward the ground and you'd still get the same results.
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7" cap to cap...hence the need for the spacer!
Thanks for your info and patience. I actually drew a picture to get this. 8)
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I've recorded in these types of setting a few times, and something that you need to be conscious of when making such a recording is the surrounding noise. The type of stuff that your brain filters--air conditioners, fans, appliances, clocks, etc--can ruin an otherwise excellent recording. If you have the ability to move these noisemakers, take up the option of creating an ambient-free setting.
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Now are you recording House music in the House or just rock and roll ;D
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I've recorded in these types of setting a few times, and something that you need to be conscious of when making such a recording is the surrounding noise. The type of stuff that your brain filters--air conditioners, fans, appliances, clocks, etc--can ruin an otherwise excellent recording. If you have the ability to move these noisemakers, take up the option of creating an ambient-free setting.
not to mention noise from outside the house
heavy blankets on the windows would help
and maybe some throw rugs on wooden floors as well
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Now are you recording House music in the House or just rock and roll ;D
It might be easier to record the house music in da house, than the rock 'n' roll that I'm pretty sure is going down. ;D
I run the ACM with the 20db pad at most club shows and add gain in post if needed, but would you run that and the 10 db that the c4's have in a little living room?
Listening to my lab/hound bark/howl at the moment.
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(http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/03/7e/698ddafcc5630f2e53ac7d320bcb96c4.jpg)
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one of my favorites is a recording of a quartet of the finest chamber players on tour today; harpsichord, cello, violin and flute.
The concert was ins a nice room of a local library / garden, but, also behind the local restaurant.
A trash truck pulls up, picks up the dumpster, and proceeds to wind up the motor to drive the hydraulics, and then bang the trash can onto the trucks compactor, in order to unload all of its contents.
sometimes recording acoustic music is so rewarding.
I had a really nice Gray Fox recording of Railroad Earth working when two blitzed 50-something women started having an argument about how much they were going to pay for an oz. the were negotiating for. ::)
Luckly, someone in another location grabbed the tune minus the dust up.
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Now are you recording House music in the House or just rock and roll ;D
It might be easier to record the house music in da house, than the rock 'n' roll that I'm pretty sure is going down. ;D
I run the ACM with the 20db pad at most club shows and add gain in post if needed, but would you run that and the 10 db that the c4's have in a little living room?
Listening to my lab/hound bark/howl at the moment.
Remember the smaller the space the more you might need to pad things down.. The inverse square law applies here because you are going to be closer to the speakers you can expect the SPL to be very high
* bring ear plugs *
Chris
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Now are you recording House music in the House or just rock and roll ;D
It might be easier to record the house music in da house, than the rock 'n' roll that I'm pretty sure is going down. ;D
I run the ACM with the 20db pad at most club shows and add gain in post if needed, but would you run that and the 10 db that the c4's have in a little living room?
Listening to my lab/hound bark/howl at the moment.
Remember the smaller the space the more you might need to pad things down.. The inverse square law applies here because you are going to be closer to the speakers you can expect the SPL to be very high
* bring ear plugs *
Chris
I got a sick feeling like when I used to be in trig...and I was only 'in' trig, not 'learning' trig... when you mentioned inverse square law. :-[
In practice, can I trust the ACM's little green and red lights and add pad as needed during the sound check?
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Now are you recording House music in the House or just rock and roll ;D
It might be easier to record the house music in da house, than the rock 'n' roll that I'm pretty sure is going down. ;D
I run the ACM with the 20db pad at most club shows and add gain in post if needed, but would you run that and the 10 db that the c4's have in a little living room?
Listening to my lab/hound bark/howl at the moment.
Remember the smaller the space the more you might need to pad things down.. The inverse square law applies here because you are going to be closer to the speakers you can expect the SPL to be very high
* bring ear plugs *
Chris
I got a sick feeling like when I used to be in trig...and I was only 'in' trig, not 'learning' trig... when you mentioned inverse square law. :-[
In practice, can I trust the ACM's little green and red lights and add pad as needed during the sound check?
In a small room with a rock band.. PAD FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER :) hehehe I had to ...
Your going to need alot less gain in a small room with a loud band start with the pads on and see what kind of levels you get.
Chris
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Thanks Chris.
i can do that. 8)
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Just a note.
This was a house Concert for the Cure, a fund raiser for the Cancer Society, and while the music was very good, it was made even more special for the fact that some of the musicians had/were fighting their own battles with cancer.
On the technical side, the Healy config rocks with the omnis.
I added a bit of gain to the acoustic sets in the post production, but other than that, the gig sounds really good.
There is a point where just as a song is ending, a motorcycle went by outside. and when I was working on it last night I looked behind me because it cruised from left to right in my headphones. V. nice.
Thank you all for the suggestions/ideas. I took the recording gig thinking it was just a favor for a friend of one of my daughters and it ended up being a very special evening.
Oh, and if I ever figure out the whole flac/uploading thing, I'll put the show up.
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Sounds like a inspiring event, thanks for reporting back.
+t