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Gear / Technical Help => Playback Forum => Topic started by: F0CKER on October 04, 2007, 01:14:07 PM
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Somebody recommend me a good set of headphones specific for use in the field. They're going to be used in loud concert environments to help set the pattern and width for a Soundfield setup on the fly. I need a set of cans that has good rejection of outside noise, good bass extension, and won't drain my bank account.
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Those would be magic headphones you're looking for ;)
If anything though, try the in-ear-monitor route. I use a pair of Etymotic ER-4Ss and Shure SE530s, both of which offer a fair amount of isolation (the Etys are much better, though), and it's STILL not enough to monitor effectively at the average loud concert. Also, because the attenuated ambient noise is still pretty loud, you'll need to crank the volume to unhealthy levels.
Now if you wear hearing protectors on top of IEMs, you'll be getting somewhere... but you'll also look like a dork :)
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Sony MDR-7506 without question. You can find them for $100 or less tons of places.
They are a helluva field headphone. I absolutely love mine.
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Sony MDR-7506 without question. You can find them for $100 or less tons of places.
They are a helluva field headphone. I absolutely love mine.
I love mine, but I don't feel they isolate very well.
to the OP, be careful of damaging your hearing. Concert SPLs are ridiclously loud as is...
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I agree with pfife on the 7506's - I love em and they are built like tanks but I don't find that they isolate that well.
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Sony MDR-7506 without question. You can find them for $100 or less tons of places.
They are a helluva field headphone. I absolutely love mine.
I love mine, but I don't feel they isolate very well.
to the OP, be careful of damaging your hearing. Concert SPLs are ridiclously loud as is...
I use my 7506 headphone for live mixing all the time.. Plenty of isolation for my needs for the last 20 years or so. But if your right beside the PA they might not isolate enough. :) These headphones are the standard mixing headphones for live sound in the industry since there inception.
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SENNHEISERS
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I think I remember reading that the sennheiser hd280's reject about 30 db of outside noise so they could be decent for on the fly mixing. I wouldn't say they have the greatest bass extension in the world. They are bulky as hell for lugging around in a gear bag too, but I know some tapers who do (bean comes to mind).
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I use my 7506 headphone for live mixing all the time.. Plenty of isolation for my needs for the last 20 years or so. But if your right beside the PA they might not isolate enough. :) These headphones are the standard mixing headphones for live sound in the industry since there inception.
how does the headphone jack on the 722 compare to one on a FOH desk? I used my 7506's when I was mixing but that was with the good headphone jacks on the console
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I think I remember reading that the sennheiser hd580's reject about 30 db of outside noise...
No offense, but that's gotta be a mistake. The 580 is an open-back design that might attenuate ambient noise by a handful of decibels. I've never worn them, but my Grados are the same type of headphone.
Maybe you're referring to a closed-back model?
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oops I meant hd280. brain fart.
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how does the headphone jack on the 722 compare to one on a FOH desk? I used my 7506's when I was mixing but that was with the good headphone jacks on the console
It gets loud. It doesn't sound any good, but it gets loud enough to monitor. I have to agree with the recommendations for an in-ear monitor like the Etymotics or Shures. I keep a pair of ER6s in my bag, and they're a great tool. The 7-series headphone amp doesn't sound good enough to really evaluate how good a recording you're getting, but you can establish the overall signal, balance, time issues, etc... and really that's probably all most of us need to do in the field.
- Jason
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The only headphone/iem's I could recommend are the ones that have custom molding to fit your ears to provide the absolute best hearing protection and that will give you the ability to monitor on the fly.
I've owned the 7506's for 6 years, they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers). I think the 7506's might give you about 5db of isolation, they're pretty much useless for on the fly monitoring, imho.
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I've owned the 7506's for 6 years, they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers). I think the 7506's might give you about 5db of isolation, they're pretty much useless for on the fly monitoring, imho.
this was my experience with them too.
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...they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers).
I hate the noise of the subway about 10% as much as I hate the summer heat down there (meaning I still really, really hate the noise). With a pair of Shure SE530s and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk, I'm the happiest guy on the PATH... everybody else looks as painfully miserable as I'd be otherwise! ;D
I found that the Etys isolate too well to be safe in a busy place like this, however.
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...they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers).
I hate the noise of the subway about 10% as much as I hate the summer heat down there (meaning I still really, really hate the noise). With a pair of Shure SE530s and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk, I'm the happiest guy on the PATH... everybody else looks as painfully miserable as I'd be otherwise! ;D
I found that the Etys isolate too well to be safe in a busy place like this, however.
Yeah, it's just a bummer that when you get off you're in Jersey.
[kidding of course... sorta... lived in hoboken for 3 years]
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...they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers).
I hate the noise of the subway about 10% as much as I hate the summer heat down there (meaning I still really, really hate the noise). With a pair of Shure SE530s and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk, I'm the happiest guy on the PATH... everybody else looks as painfully miserable as I'd be otherwise! ;D
I found that the Etys isolate too well to be safe in a busy place like this, however.
Yeah, it's just a bummer that when you get off you're in Jersey.
[kidding of course... sorta... lived in hoboken for 3 years]
Haha, tell me about it!! Fortunately, I live across the street from a nice park (Van Vorst) where I can hardly see anything BUT greenery out my window. Given some of the other apartments I looked at last December, it wouldn't be hard to be miserable in Jersey City.
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It gets loud. It doesn't sound any good, but it gets loud enough to monitor.
thanks +T
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...they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers).
I hate the noise of the subway about 10% as much as I hate the summer heat down there (meaning I still really, really hate the noise). With a pair of Shure SE530s and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk, I'm the happiest guy on the PATH... everybody else looks as painfully miserable as I'd be otherwise! ;D
Nice. I run my se530's with my rio karma...no amp required :D
Although, the wiring on one side cracked and I lost sound so I gotta send em in for warranty replacement. I love my se530's, their midrange is so ridiculously smooth.
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...they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers).
I hate the noise of the subway about 10% as much as I hate the summer heat down there (meaning I still really, really hate the noise). With a pair of Shure SE530s and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk, I'm the happiest guy on the PATH... everybody else looks as painfully miserable as I'd be otherwise! ;D
Nice. I run my se530's with my rio karma...no amp required :D
Although, the wiring on one side cracked and I lost sound so I gotta send em in for warranty replacement. I love my se530's, their midrange is so ridiculously smooth.
Yeah, often I run them out of my iPod without the amp and it's still nice. The Etys though, forget it, they need an amp. Amazing what a difference sensitivity makes.
I heard there have been cracked wiring problems... I guess the engineers overlooked the fact the wiring would be in direct contact with skin oils. D'oh!
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Haha, tell me about it!! Fortunately, I live across the street from a nice park (Van Vorst) where I can hardly see anything BUT greenery out my window. Given some of the other apartments I looked at last December, it wouldn't be hard to be miserable in Jersey City.
Very nice. +T
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...they don't block out enough train noise to be used in the subway (I'm talking about the A, C and F lines for you New Yorkers).
I hate the noise of the subway about 10% as much as I hate the summer heat down there (meaning I still really, really hate the noise). With a pair of Shure SE530s and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk, I'm the happiest guy on the PATH... everybody else looks as painfully miserable as I'd be otherwise! ;D
Nice. I run my se530's with my rio karma...no amp required :D
Although, the wiring on one side cracked and I lost sound so I gotta send em in for warranty replacement. I love my se530's, their midrange is so ridiculously smooth.
I heard there have been cracked wiring problems... I guess the engineers overlooked the fact the wiring would be in direct contact with skin oils. D'oh!
Yep, and cold weather. My e2c's wiring would always crack by January (I've had them replaced three times). Thankfully, Shure is very responsive to warranty returns.
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I use these at home, not field use, but they are excellent in terms of isolation:
beyerdynamic DT 770
http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/sealed-and-noise-canceling/beyerdynamic-dt-770.php
I can't hear a damn thing in the room besides what I am monitoring in the cans.
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I have the DT880, while not great at isolation they sound fuckin amazing...
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i used to like using the 7506's with the SD MP-2...man that MP-2 had a great headphone amp built into it, and it got loud, enough to cancel out the stacks, but probably to the detriment of my eardrums :P
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for field use?? Etymotic ER-4.
Somebody recommend me a good set of headphones specific for use in the field. They're going to be used in loud concert environments to help set the pattern and width for a Soundfield setup on the fly. I need a set of cans that has good rejection of outside noise, good bass extension, and won't drain my bank account.
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I use them and also a SONY MDR-V6. The Etymotic shines. 8)
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Ety's.
for sure.
I actually prefer the M-Audio in ear jobbies, but as long as you are using some form of in ear setup you'll be able to do what you're trying to do.
I used the ety 4p w/my soundfield.
I was able to hear things through those even when riding stage lip at a show.
no problem.
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Which "M-Audio in ear jobbies" are you speaking of? I'm in the market...
Ety's.
for sure.
I actually prefer the M-Audio in ear jobbies, but as long as you are using some form of in ear setup you'll be able to do what you're trying to do.
I used the ety 4p w/my soundfield.
I was able to hear things through those even when riding stage lip at a show.
no problem.
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why, the cheap ones ($90)
e10 I think?
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http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?ID=Earphones&do=products.list
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http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?ID=Earphones&do=products.list
Thank you! +T
:)
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Thanks everyone! I decided to go with the Etymotic ER4P's. +T's all around
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looks like its a bit late now. But I have just recently been turned onto these (http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/0edf909675b1be4d/). They can be found on ebay for $100 which is crazy cheap for the performance they deliver. Just ask our Friend Mike (Grace) what he thinks about them.
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http://www.livewiresforyou.com/ (http://www.livewiresforyou.com/)
best in ear monitor/headphone solution, IMO.
custom molded.
(http://www.livewiresforyou.com/images/livewires_shot1_shadow.jpg)
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wow, never heard of those before (no pun).
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http://www.livewiresforyou.com/ (http://www.livewiresforyou.com/)
best in ear monitor/headphone solution, IMO.
custom molded.
(http://www.livewiresforyou.com/images/livewires_shot1_shadow.jpg)
Did you pay the MSRP of $249?
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Did you pay the MSRP of $249?
I paid a little less than that at the trade show. But $249 is pretty damn reasonable, IMO.
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Nice timing to find you mentioning live wires here because I literally just decided that since I'm very satisfied with mine after a few months I'd let people know. These rank right up with my all-time most satisfying audio purchase.
Partly to finish off this thread there:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,85923.0.html
I will add that that I received one ear slightly too small to maintain a perfect seal all the time.
They were happy to send me another after a descriptive email or two, and it fits great.
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the etymotics are an absolute steal for the $180 they sell them for on ebay, I paid $300 for them 6 years ago, still use em a lot.
i'll put em up against my sennheiser hd600's for clarity any day of the week