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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: china_rider on October 07, 2007, 07:21:52 AM
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Hey all... I recently had a a band ask me to record some of their practice sessions.
Their typical setup while practicing is they set all set up around the perimeter of a mid size room so they can see each other leaving a hole in the middle. I'm thinking my best setup is putting omnis in the center, however, someone suggested trying bleumin in the center.
What do you think?
Stay Kind,
Dana
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Hey all... I recently had a a band ask me to record some of their practice sessions.
Their typical setup while practicing is they set all set up around the perimeter of a mid size room so they can see each other leaving a hole in the middle. I'm thinking my best setup is putting omnis in the center, however, someone suggested trying bleumin in the center.
What do you think?
Stay Kind,
Dana
it depends, how does it sound in that 'hole' in the middle? if it sounds good in there, run blumlein, that should be your best bet since youd be picking up 360* around them all. If it sounds like poop in there, just make them setup their small PA system and setup DINa/ORTF in front of the stacks :)
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I have yet to do it... So it might be a trial and error type of thing. But there is no small sound system. The bands practice setup is pretty much all acoustic. Mics set up in the middle would be probably around 5' from all the instruments.
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I have yet to do it... So it might be a trial and error type of thing. But there is no small sound system. The bands practice setup is pretty much all acoustic. Mics set up in the middle would be probably around 5' from all the instruments.
so your only option would be monitors then? If they are all acoustic at their practice sessions, then I would def aim for Blumein in the very middle of that 'hole' :)
So I noticed you have the ck69 shotguns :) Im JEALOUS bud ;D BTW, are those 2 section right? do you have to run both sections or can you run just one ??? I would LOVE to have a pair of them for the really shitty sounding/rowdy/chatty venues here in da burgh :) Theyre just SOOO damn expensive. I saw a pair FS awhile back for 700/pair, which isnt bad at all compared to new, but too rich for my blood at the moment for sure :)
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I vote for omnis 180 degrees 7-12 inch spread for group in a circle
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baffled if it's a half circle
Might have them tighten up the circle if they sing unamplified.
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Is this a spot for Healy? Ran that at the advice of folks here a few weeks ago and it came out v. nice.
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If nothing works and the band hears the first recording that way they may be willing to move a bit. Just a thought. YMMV
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Is this a spot for Healy? Ran that at the advice of folks here a few weeks ago and it came out v. nice.
I think that was me who recommended that :) I'd definitely get the band to setup in a circle if possible and then run omnis Healy Method in the center of everyone.
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I have never used the "Healey method" and other thank knowing it is two omnis 180 degrees apart, what is it best suited for?
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Is this a spot for Healy? Ran that at the advice of folks here a few weeks ago and it came out v. nice.
I think that was me who recommended that :) I'd definitely get the band to setup in a circle if possible and then run omnis Healy Method in the center of everyone.
+t to Nick. It was a good suggestion. The recording was a hit and I came away with a simple little extension for my mic bar that he suggested that allows you to get the 7" spacing between caps.
I'll use it again this weekend to tape a rehersal.
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I'd definitely get the band to setup in a circle if possible and then run omnis Healy Method in the center of everyone.
^^^^this is the way to go.
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I'd definitely get the band to setup in a circle if possible and then run omnis Healy Method in the center of everyone.
^^^^this is the way to go.
Going to record the session tomorrow. Going to try the omnis since I can't do blumein until I get my TLs back.
So I noticed you have the ck69 shotguns Smiley Im JEALOUS bud Grin BTW, are those 2 section right? do you have to run both sections or can you run just one
Yep.. I've got the 69s. Got them new from Boxy so it took forever but the discount made it worth the wait. Apparently AKG only makes them to order at this point so unless anyplace has them in stock it will be a wait. Too bad the wait was long enough to make me miss the shows I wanted to use them for. They do come in two parts. You can use the short config or the long one that has both pieces together. I don't think you can use the long config portion on it's own. Have not got to really get out with them yet but broke them in with a CK61 in the middle. Sounded good. (And they come with a really cool leather quiver to protect them.)
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I'd definitely get the band to setup in a circle if possible and then run omnis Healy Method in the center of everyone.
^^^^this is the way to go.
Going to record the session tomorrow. Going to try the omnis since I can't do blumein until I get my TLs back.
So I noticed you have the ck69 shotguns Smiley Im JEALOUS bud Grin BTW, are those 2 section right? do you have to run both sections or can you run just one
Yep.. I've got the 69s. Got them new from Boxy so it took forever but the discount made it worth the wait. Apparently AKG only makes them to order at this point so unless anyplace has them in stock it will be a wait. Too bad the wait was long enough to make me miss the shows I wanted to use them for. They do come in two parts. You can use the short config or the long one that has both pieces together. I don't think you can use the long config portion on it's own. Have not got to really get out with them yet but broke them in with a CK61 in the middle. Sounded good. (And they come with a really cool leather quiver to protect them.)
awesome, thanks for the info, dana.
So, howd the recording practice come out ??? I have to do some practice sessions soon too, but I get to setup DIN/DINa in front of their stacks ;)
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Just got back from a kick ass Lotus show tonight. Talked to a few of the band members. Practice tomorrow is canceled since 1/2 of them are heading out to RAQ. (I was going to cut it tight and hit up both.)
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Just got back from a kick ass Lotus show tonight. Talked to a few of the band members. Practice tomorrow is canceled since 1/2 of them are heading out to RAQ. (I was going to cut it tight and hit up both.)
Yes, that Lotus show was indeed kick-ass. So was the RAQ show. Just to let you know, if you ever wanna borrow my 460 bodies so you can run 4 channels for this band's practice, you know you are more than welcome to them.
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Recorded a band rehearsal Friday night. Ran Healy with a comparison between my new Peluso Omnis and my new 451 omnis. Definitely feeling slutty breaking in two new sets of mics/ >:D.
Both produced really nice recordings and that mic config is a gem. The Peluso's ran way hotter than the 451's, with the akg's being a little warmer, but in the end, I have myself two really nice sets of mics...now I might need a 4 channel all-in-one. >:D
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Recorded a band rehearsal Friday night. Ran Healy with a comparison between my new Peluso Omnis and my new 451 omnis. Definitely feeling slutty breaking in two new sets of mics/ >:D.
Both produced really nice recordings and that mic config is a gem. The Peluso's ran way hotter than the 451's, with the akg's being a little warmer, but in the end, I have myself two really nice sets of mics...now I might need a 4 channel all-in-one. >:D
Nice. +T for running Healy Method ;D
So, which set did you prefer(what mics?)
I thought the Pelusos would be warmer than the AKG's, but just goes to show, you will never know until one runs it themselves to find out :) I'd LOVE to hear a few 1-minute samples of each set of mics :)
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I've tried converting the 1 minute files to mp3 and also flac but they are larger than the 512 the board allows. Any thoughts?
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I've tried converting the 1 minute files to mp3 and also flac but they are larger than the 512 the board allows. Any thoughts?
Use a file service like sendspace.com.
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I can host it for you if you want... Here is a temp FTP account. Put whatever size file (even whole rehearsal if you want) up there. Note to anyone else... This is not an open FTP server. Anything else posted to this logon will be removed.
FTP Address: aztapers.org
Logon: aztapers.4
Password: 5df1ed
The logon is good for your upload and anyone that wants to down load it.
Stay Kind,
Dana
PS... Got my busman mod TLs coming back in a few days. Should be able to test the for the first time on the band rehearsal that I was planning on doing.
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I can host it for you if you want... Here is a temp FTP account. Put whatever size file (even whole rehearsal if you want) up there. Note to anyone else... This is not an open FTP server. Anything else posted to this logon will be removed.
FTP Address: aztapers.org
Logon: aztapers.4
Password: 5df1ed
The logon is good for your upload and anyone that wants to down load it.
Stay Kind,
Dana
PS... Got my busman mod TLs coming back in a few days. Should be able to test the for the first time on the band rehearsal that I was planning on doing.
Hi Dana,
Thanks for the assist. FTP is something I'll get familiar with real quick.
I think I uploaded...actually each file twice...i think. ???
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Just took a look at the directly... Does not look like anything was uploaded.
If you are not used to FTP here is good free FTP program that has a pretty simple interface.
http://www.tucows.com/preview/195124
Back on subject.... I'm getting my modded TLs back in the next couple of days.... Should hopefully get to test them at a rehearsal at the end of the week and then really break them in at Joshua Tree Roots fest this weekend.
Stay Kind,
Dana
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Try this link:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ukq9p and http://www.sendspace.com/file/sxbxah for the Peluso and AKG files...maybe. 8)
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I've tried converting the 1 minute files to mp3 and also flac but they are larger than the 512 the board allows. Any thoughts?
Use a file service like sendspace.com.
+t for the info 8)