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Gear / Technical Help => Post-Processing, Computer / Streaming / Internet Devices & Related Activity => Topic started by: thepassionofyonder on November 17, 2007, 01:25:47 PM
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so ive just recently learned about SBE's and im finding that quite a few of my older recordings have them.
whats the BEST way to fix them?
thanks in advance.
~justin
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In my opinion:
Command line shntool = best
GUI Trader's Little Helper = easiest
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Command line shntool = best
i'd be interested in this method. i'll give it a shot when i get home from work.
how much differnce between "best" and "easiest"?
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my vote goes to traders little helper.
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Command line shntool = best
i'd be interested in this method. i'll give it a shot when i get home from work.
how much differnce between "best" and "easiest"?
Well, if you are familiar with command line and DOS then just putting items in the path and executing them is not that difficult, but you have to do it every time unless you set up batch files.
On the opposite side of the coin, if you are a point-and-click GUI kinda guy then TLH is your best bet. Adjust your settings, point and click.
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here's another vote for TLH. Here ya go.
http://tlh.easytree.org/ (http://tlh.easytree.org/)
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I prefer Scott Brown's xACT but it is mac only I believe. Don't be jealous, we are just more evolved than you guys... ;)
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you can set up shntool so you don't have to dos stuff. I have it set up to where I right click and can run shnlen or shnfix (flac, wave etc). really easy to do. all the exe (shorten, shntool, flac exe etc) must be in windows 32 folder. then open any folder and go to tools > folder options. you then can set it up so when you right click on a flac you can run flac len etc.
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damn...i havent even made it home yet, and im confused allready :P
thanks for the info so far.
~justin
+T
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I prefer Scott Brown's xACT but it is mac only I believe. Don't be jealous, we are just more evolved than you guys... ;)
I agree here, and there is a version of xACT available for PCs/Winblows. You can drag any continuous 16/44 file set (.flac, .wav., .aiff, etc.) into the tab to "fix sbe" and have it output the fixed files as new .flac. When initially encoding, I run all my 16/44 file sets through "fix sbe" but you can also use it to fix older file sets with sbe's.
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In my opinion:
Command line shntool = best
GUI Trader's Little Helper = easiest
What does the command line do that TLH can't? Both seem to do the same thing, and the GUI is so much easier. Just because the command line is more difficult doesn't mean it clears SBEs any better, IMO.
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What does the command line do that TLH can't?
I've not used either, but do the TLH and xACT GUIs provide all the 'fix' function's parameter switches available from the command line? If not, and one's a "power user", I can see how the command line might be considered 'best'.
Usage: shntool fix [OPTIONS] file1 [file2 ...]
Options:
-o fmt specifies the output file format, where fmt is one of the following:
wav (RIFF WAVE file format) [DEFAULT]
aiff (Audio Interchange File Format (AIFF and uncompressed AIFF-C only))
shn (Shorten low complexity waveform coder)
flac (Free Lossless Audio Codec)
ape (Monkey's Audio Compressor)
ofr (OptimFROG Lossless WAVE Audio Coder)
wv (WavPack Hybrid Lossless Audio Compression)
cust (custom output format module)
null (sends output to /dev/null)
-s type specifies the shift type, where type is one of the following:
b shifts track breaks backward to the previous multiple of the
block size (2352 bytes) [DEFAULT]
f shifts track breaks forward to the next multiple of the block
size (2352 bytes)
r rounds track breaks to the nearest multiple of the block size
(2352 bytes)
-d dir specifies alternate output directory (default is current directory)
-nopad specifies that zero-padding should not be done (default is to pad)
-noskip don't skip first N files that won't be changed from a WAVE data
perspective (default is to skip them to avoid unnecessary work)
-order allows you to edit the order of the files before processing them
(useful for certain filenames, where *.shn might give d1t1.shn,
d1t10.shn, d1t11.shn, d1t2.shn, d1t3.shn, ...)
-p preview what changes would be made without actually making them
-- indicates that everything following it is a file name
-v shows version information
-h shows this help screen
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Sample uses:
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% shntool fix -o wav -order *.shn
% shntool fix -s r -o shn -nopad *.wav
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newer versions of flac frontend(meaning in the last 2-3 years) have a checkbox that fixes SBE's when encoding to flac. its the easiest and quickest and best way IMO if on a PC. I have fixed COUNTLESS SBE's in frontend the last 3 years or so :) saves ALOT of steps too!
YMMV, but that does it for me and saves me any additional steps in processing!
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TLH fixes sbe's while encoding to flac (time saver) but xACT has never given me any trouble at all ;D
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newer versions of flac frontend(meaning in the last 2-3 years) have a checkbox that fixes SBE's when encoding to flac. its the easiest and quickest and best way IMO if on a PC. I have fixed COUNTLESS SBE's in frontend the last 3 years or so :) saves ALOT of steps too!
YMMV, but that does it for me and saves me any additional steps in processing!
this is what i've been doing lately too. not sure if any other options are better?
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bip bip.
so it seems that all my SBE's are the very last track.
how big of a problem is it?
cause im tired of dealing with this crap.
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Sounds like you used CD-Wave to split your tracks, because it doesn't pad out the last track with the necessary samples at the end. If you play multiple shows back to back, you may hear a blip between shows, but if you're just playing one show, it's really not anything you should be concerned about. Going forward, it might be worthwhile to pad that last track (which I believe xACT does by default) but it's not a big deal.
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bip bip.
so it seems that all my SBE's are the very last track.
how big of a problem is it?
cause im tired of dealing with this crap.
If you are using cd wave just make an extra track at the end of like half a sec or less then don't save that track.
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Sounds like you used CD-Wave to split your tracks, because it doesn't pad out the last track with the necessary samples at the end. If you play multiple shows back to back, you may hear a blip between shows, but if you're just playing one show, it's really not anything you should be concerned about. Going forward, it might be worthwhile to pad that last track (which I believe xACT does by default) but it's not a big deal.
thats what happened.
when i first started transferring i was told cdwave straight to flac files.
i have since been corrected, but i still have a ton of files with SBE.
i think im just going to ignore them.
If you are using cd wave just make an extra track at the end of like half a sec or less then don't save that track.
i'll try that.
seems like theres always something to fix ::)
+T's fellas
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pm me if you want and I'll help you.
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thanks.
i'll try chopping off the end of the file, and see what happens.
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thanks, trimming a little off the end got rid of those bastards ;D
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I guess I do it the hard way. I open the entire show in Adobe Audition and manually go to each track marker and cut out all the dead space. The save it, and recut all the tracks in CD Wave. It works perfectly, but it's time consuming. Works great with TAO as well.
I never tried FLAC Frontend, but if it works as good as the above method, then that would be a great time saver.