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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: CTDave on December 23, 2007, 08:54:09 AM
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Now that I have my dream V3, my next upgrade is the recorder. I've sold my D8, and the JB3 can be problematic. V3 lovers out there, my question to you is :
What would you run behind a V3?
I know that Doug Oade can upgrade the A/D in the V3, but I'd like to run it as is before I consider that.
I'm considering the Tascam HD-P2 with maybe a Tmod, or no mod at all, the Edirol R4, because I like the idea of having a hard drive to record onto and 4 trascks, but am wide open to others ideas. The idea of a 7XX series is out of the question... I want to enjoy the V3 before that is a consideration..
Thanks for any input at all...I don't expect to start shoping around for a unit until after the new year, so all ideas are welcome.
Peace,
Dave
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i don't have a v3, but imo if you are going to use the v3 as a pre and ad then get a microtrack or some other cheap recorder
i wouldn't spend an extra $500+ cash on a hdp2 or something to use it a bit bucket
plus the mt can be stealthed if need be
on the flip side if you ever want to run without the v3 or just use the v3 as a pre then a hdp2 would be better
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i don't have a v3, but imo if you are going to use the v3 as a pre and ad then get a microtrack or some other cheap recorder
i wouldn't spend an extra $500+ cash on a hdp2 or something to use it a bit bucket
plus the mt can be stealthed if need be
on the flip side if you ever want to run without the v3 or just use the v3 as a pre then a hdp2 would be better
I hear you..I just need to get past my JB3. There are too many times that I have had issues with it..be it problems getting it up and running properly, or shuting down on me, or whatever, I want to get a more reliable unit....I've become accustomed to the hard drive of a JB3 compared to a flash media recorder, so I lean to the R4 over the hdp2..the microtrack has not appealed to me, but I have zero experience with it..
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What's your budget?
Any of the Oade or Busman mods to the HD-P2 or R4 won't provide any benefits if you plan on using the V3 as both pre and ADC.
Low budget: MT2496 (some have had reliability issues, many have not)
Mid-low budget: Sony PCM-D50 (there's a long thread or two about it in this forum...may require an optical mod to your V3)
Mid budget: Tascam HD-P2 (stock)
Mid-high budget: R4 Pro (it's quite large, if size is a consideration)
High budget: 722
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What's your budget?
Any of the Oade or Busman mods to the HD-P2 or R4 won't provide any benefits if you plan on using the V3 as both pre and ADC.
Low budget: MT2496 (some have had reliability issues, many have not)
Mid-low budget: Sony PCM-D50 (there's a long thread or two about it in this forum...may require an optical mod to your V3)
Mid budget: Tascam HD-P2 (stock)
Mid-high budget: R4 Pro (it's quite large, if size is a consideration)
High budget: 722
Hey Brian,
My budget is $700 to $1000....
I'd like to move into a reliable unit from the JB3....The Microtrack doesn't give me the warm and fuzzys...I think I'd go for the R-9, I think it's the R-9, the cheaper Edirol unit..I've run it before, easy as can be... before I'd go the Microtrack route...
Is it your experience that running anything behind the V3 with a pre in it, like the HD-P2, will alter the V3, possibly not for the better?
As for recorders, because I have zero experience with flash media/firmwire, I lean to what I know, which is recording onto a portable hard drive, with a simple USB connection..that's why the R4 comes to mind...but again, a built in pre...
to many people, I imagine this is no brains material...don't alter the V3 sound, and get a cheap bitbucket, ..but I would like a more solid unit than most bitbuckets are...granted, with the amount of $ I would have invested, I could dump the V3, and just go the 7XX route...maybe I will end up doing that...but I want to play with the V3 for now..
thanks for your input,
Dave
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If you want a more robust (for lack of a better term) bit-bucket than the MT, I think the Tascam HD-P2 would be your best bet. You can pick a stock unit up for well within your price range, including media.
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If you want a more robust (for lack of a better term) bit-bucket than the MT, I think the Tascam HD-P2 would be your best bet. You can pick a stock unit up for well within your price range, including media.
+ T..That seems to be the favorable opinion that I have been able to find among many threads..
also, Doug Oade gave the same response, althouh he also recc'd the Tmod for an option for a little more flavor than stock...he recc'd having him update the A/D in the V3 (I guess thats the ACM V3 mod) and going stock HD-P2, or as he also said, a simple bit bucket, like the microtrack or something simple like just staying with my JB3..
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If you want a more robust (for lack of a better term) bit-bucket than the MT, I think the Tascam HD-P2 would be your best bet. You can pick a stock unit up for well within your price range, including media.
+ T..That seems to be the favorable opinion that I have been able to find among many threads..
also, Doug Oade gave the same response, althouh he also recc'd the Tmod for an option for a little more flavor than stock...he recc'd having him update the A/D in the V3 (I guess thats the ACM V3 mod) and going stock HD-P2, or as he also said, a simple bit bucket, like the microtrack or something simple like just staying with my JB3..
Curious - why would you need to do any mods on the HD-P2 if you're going digi-in?
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marantz pmd 671.
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If you want a more robust (for lack of a better term) bit-bucket than the MT, I think the Tascam HD-P2 would be your best bet. You can pick a stock unit up for well within your price range, including media.
+ T..That seems to be the favorable opinion that I have been able to find among many threads..
also, Doug Oade gave the same response, althouh he also recc'd the Tmod for an option for a little more flavor than stock...he recc'd having him update the A/D in the V3 (I guess thats the ACM V3 mod) and going stock HD-P2, or as he also said, a simple bit bucket, like the microtrack or something simple like just staying with my JB3..
Curious - why would you need to do any mods on the HD-P2 if you're going digi-in?
Good point. I have a couple of buddy's that run analog in to use the A/D in the HD-P2 instead of the V3. Does that make sense?
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marantz pmd 671.
I like this idea as well..+T
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Why would you need anything more than a bit bucket out of the V3. What exactly is a more robust bit bucket? The MTII's problem with the V3 @ 24/96 will be fixed, as the problem has been found and two companies are working at it.
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Why would you need anything more than a bit bucket out of the V3. What exactly is a more robust bit bucket? The MTII's problem with the V3 @ 24/96 will be fixed, as the problem has been found and two companies are working at it.
Well, I guess robust was a poor choice of words...What I want is a reliable bit bucket/recorder. I've been recording onto the JB3 now for a few years, and over the last couple of months I have had a bunch of issues with it. Minor, yet issues. Like the first song of Tea Leaf Green at the Vibes. For no apparent reason, a couple minutes into the opening song, and the JB3 shut down. It happened to me at P Groove this fall as well. Same thing, a few minutes into the recording, and it shuts down...happened at Dylan this year in the summer, but this time at about 20 minutes into the set, and also at Elvis Costello in the fall, first tune again....more times than I care to remember.....I have the cash right now to get something new, and a reason why I have been looking beyond the Microtrack II, is that I want something that is dependable/solid/well built, and I'm afraid that the MII will be similar to my JB3, but maybe the MII is all I need...I hope to run into folks running just about everything over the next few months, so for now the JB3 remains the unit..
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there's a couple stock 671's in the YS. very robust, reliable. :)
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I can say with out a doubt that the MTI worked without problem, except my stupidity, after a couple of updates. The MTII will be just fine. As I said before, with Grace and M Audio working on a fix, the MTII will be the best choice for just a bit bucket. If you can wait a little more, you will see the whole thing work out. IF it wasn't for the problem with the 2gb limit, I would not even had gotten the new unit.
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Well, I guess robust was a poor choice of words...What I want is a reliable bit bucket/recorder.
You could pickup a used pocket pc and a PDAudio card.
There is a used setup on Yard Sale right now for $275.
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...granted, with the amount of $ I would have invested, I could dump the V3, and just go the 7XX route...maybe I will end up doing that...but I want to play with the V3 for now..
I guess this isn't what you want to do now, but if this was one of the options, a 702 is what I'd go for. Sell the V3 for $950 or so, add $800 or so (which is within the $700 to $1000 you said you were looking to invest) and you'd be so very happy with a 702. This is just such a fine piece of equipment.
Bean'll tell you how he likes the 483's directy into his 722 ;) and there's no shortage of samples on the archive to listen to. OTOH, the 702 is gonna give you a little different sound than the V3, so if the V3 is what you're in love with, this of course wouldn't be the best option...although you could do what I'm doing now...now that I've got my dream recorder which also provide a damn high quality set of preamps, I'm saving for my perfect sounding external preamp. That will give me some options in the future.
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...granted, with the amount of $ I would have invested, I could dump the V3, and just go the 7XX route...maybe I will end up doing that...but I want to play with the V3 for now..
I guess this isn't what you want to do now, but if this was one of the options, a 702 is what I'd go for. Sell the V3 for $950 or so, add $800 or so (which is within the $700 to $1000 you said you were looking to invest) and you'd be so very happy with a 702. This is just such a fine piece of equipment.
Bean'll tell you how he likes the 483's directy into his 722 ;) and there's no shortage of samples on the archive to listen to. OTOH, the 702 is gonna give you a little different sound than the V3, so if the V3 is what you're in love with, this of course wouldn't be the best option...although you could do what I'm doing now...now that I've got my dream recorder which also provide a damn high quality set of preamps, I'm saving for my perfect sounding external preamp. That will give me some options in the future.
Dream recorder? What are you running?
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Sony PCM-D50. Has Optical In, just like the JB3. Price shipped $455 - $499, depending on vendor. 1/3 the size of the Tascam P2 and Marantz 671. This recorder has only been out a couple of weeks, so not much feedback. Check the D50 thread. We'll be updating over the next few weeks as shows come in. This recorder could be a no-brainer as far as a new bit-bucket champ.
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Sony PCM-D50. Has Optical In, just like the JB3. Price shipped $455 - $499, depending on vendor. 1/3 the size of the Tascam P2 and Marantz 671. This recorder has only been out a couple of weeks, so not much feedback. Check the D50 thread. We'll be updating over the next few weeks as shows come in. This recorder could be a no-brainer as far as a new bit-bucket champ.
why would the Sony PCM-D50 be a no brainer over the MTII?
I would trust the coax input of the MTII over the optical mini input of the D50. thoughts?
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...granted, with the amount of $ I would have invested, I could dump the V3, and just go the 7XX route...maybe I will end up doing that...but I want to play with the V3 for now..
I guess this isn't what you want to do now, but if this was one of the options, a 702 is what I'd go for. Sell the V3 for $950 or so, add $800 or so (which is within the $700 to $1000 you said you were looking to invest) and you'd be so very happy with a 702. This is just such a fine piece of equipment.
Bean'll tell you how he likes the 483's directy into his 722 ;) and there's no shortage of samples on the archive to listen to. OTOH, the 702 is gonna give you a little different sound than the V3, so if the V3 is what you're in love with, this of course wouldn't be the best option...although you could do what I'm doing now...now that I've got my dream recorder which also provide a damn high quality set of preamps, I'm saving for my perfect sounding external preamp. That will give me some options in the future.
Dream recorder? What are you running?
I'm running km140's into a SD702. You're getting lots of suggestions here and I suppose my suggestion is a little out in left field for what you're asking. However, I was in the same place as you are right now...I spent a year messing around with all of the following which I've literally owned and run within the last 12 months...Sony Hi-MD, R-09, JB3, MT2496, PMD660, FR2LE. What I found was that they all left me wanting more...either the features didn't cut it for me, or after I decided I wanted an all-in-one box, the lure of the SD product kept me unsatisfied. So, I just kept upgrading until I finally got what I really wanted in the first place, which was the Sound Devices 702. I absolutely love it because a) it is built to survive nuclear war...all metal construction b) it has a feature set that is absolutely first class and second to nobody c) the SD products are continuously upgraded by SD through firmware improvements which includes enhancements, not just bug fixes d) the preamps sound great...not perfect but great meaning that you don't need to send the box out for additional mod in order to get a great sound, e) it's fairly small and compact f) it's sexy as hell with all the lights and gadgets. If I weren't going to stick with this box, my next favorite hands down was the Fostex.
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well, fortunately, you have LOTS of options......
Steve covered what id say to a tee ;D
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well, fortunately, you have LOTS of options......
Steve covered what id say to a tee ;D
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I went to see The Word last night in Hartford. There were over 15 tapers there, with just about anything you could record on to except the MII and the new Sony, and I have to say, what he/Steve says rings true with me...the SD units have a certain magnetic attraction to them...The one being run near me FOB sparked that flame again, which I hadn't felt since I had a 7XX running next to me at GOTV..for now, I think I'm going to continue with the JB3, and keep saving, unless I see a cheap R4 come through the yard. Thanks to all for your views.
Dave
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seems the D50 is having problems with 24/96
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,96097.0.html
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Sony PCM-D50. Has Optical In, just like the JB3. Price shipped $455 - $499, depending on vendor. 1/3 the size of the Tascam P2 and Marantz 671. This recorder has only been out a couple of weeks, so not much feedback. Check the D50 thread. We'll be updating over the next few weeks as shows come in. This recorder could be a no-brainer as far as a new bit-bucket champ.
why would the Sony PCM-D50 be a no brainer over the MTII?
I would trust the coax input of the MTII over the optical mini input of the D50. thoughts?
Sony vs M-Audio. Who do you trust your money with? D50 is a well constructed beast. Doesn't feel or operate like a Fisher Price Toy like the MT, R09, or Zoom. Been waiting for a small, solid built, bit-bucket, with a good AD, that runs on AA rechargeables, ..... for a long time. I'm going with Sony.
I expect the 24 bit digital problem to be cleaned up in the 1Q of '08 firmware update. Sony obviously rushed the D50 out in time to catch the Xmas crunch.
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well, fortunately, you have LOTS of options......
Steve covered what id say to a tee ;D
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I went to see The Word last night in Hartford. There were over 15 tapers there, with just about anything you could record on to except the MII and the new Sony, and I have to say, what he/Steve says rings true with me...the SD units have a certain magnetic attraction to them...The one being run near me FOB sparked that flame again, which I hadn't felt since I had a 7XX running next to me at GOTV..for now, I think I'm going to continue with the JB3, and keep saving, unless I see a cheap R4 come through the yard. Thanks to all for your views.
Dave
;D You made a good decision. Once you save up and get either a 702/722 or even a 744, you'll be happy you did. I promise.
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There have been a few comps here where v3 > r09 was preferred by most over the v3's internal a/d (going into a microtrack). Those results are surprising but they are what they are...
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There have been a few comps here where v3 > r09 was preferred by most over the v3's internal a/d (going into a microtrack). Those results are surprising but they are what they are...
I'm totally happy with V3 @ 24/48 spdif > Microtracker.
The MT does feel like a toy and it flops around in my Sonicase but it works.
I don't know why (other than personal taste or bandwagoning) people don't like the V3 A/D.
The onboard ANSR dither does not sound as good as it does at 24 bit.
My .02
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I found through the years that certain preamps and microphones make better combinations. How we like sound of each combination is a personal thing. I make recordings that sound good to me and if anybody else likes it great. If not, oh well, hope somebody else's recording from that night suits your ears better.
The MT II does feel a little less like a toy than MT I but, it serves my needs perfectly. It is small and light and fits in my bag perfectly. I don't need built in microphones. I would rather run coax than optical. I think that coax can handle the bending that goes on while at the show and while packing and unpacking better.
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marantz pmd 671.
I've been using a stock 671 for a little over 2 years (coming out of a V3) and it's worked flawlessly.
Robbie