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Title: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: tgakidis on November 04, 2014, 09:37:25 AM
Sweet non vacuum tube FET microphone

http://www.telefunken-elektroakustik.com/products/mics/show_product.php?item=64

(http://www.telefunken-elektroakustik.com/images/mics/photo_galleries/M60-FET-stereo-master-1.jpg)
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on November 04, 2014, 09:52:28 AM
Love my set ;D
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: tgakidis on November 04, 2014, 09:54:03 AM
Love my set ;D

Any samples?  Stop holding out.....
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on November 04, 2014, 10:00:06 AM
Love my set ;D

Any samples?  Stop holding out.....


I have loads of samples. I tested these for over a year. Not sure I have posted anything. I will upload a few recordings.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: ts on November 04, 2014, 10:12:31 AM
Priced similar to KM184's but with three sets of caps. Nice!
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: jazzgtrl4 on November 04, 2014, 11:17:15 AM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Gutbucket on November 04, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
Are any response graphs and polars for the TK capsules available?
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on November 04, 2014, 12:28:19 PM
Are any response graphs and polars for the TK capsules available?


Let me see if I can get some.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: H₂O on November 04, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
Here is a recording I did back in 2012 using the protos - I wonder how different they sound to the production version

m60 proto:
https://archive.org/details/bt2012-08-24.m60

m260 (for comparison):
https://archive.org/details/bt2012-08-24.m260


Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: tgakidis on November 04, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
Here is a recording I did back in 2012 using the protos - I wonder how different they sound to the production version

m60 proto:
https://archive.org/details/bt2012-08-24.m60

m260 (for comparison):
https://archive.org/details/bt2012-08-24.m260

Thanks for the links Richard, I look forward to checking it out.  What are your thoughts of the FET vs. Tubes?
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: tgakidis on November 04, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...

These are the mounts that came with my pair of tubes, but I didn't get the full field set, kinda cherry picked my set  ;D
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Colin Liston on November 04, 2014, 01:17:56 PM
Hmmmmm, anyone making active cables for these?
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: ts on November 04, 2014, 01:20:51 PM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...

These are the mounts that came with my pair of tubes, but I didn't get the full field set, kinda cherry picked my set  ;D

How much cherry picking do they let you do? I really don't need any more cables, shock mounts or screens. I'd like to just get the bodies and one set of caps. Don't need the 69 dollar case either. Not really cherry picking, more like eliminating all the crap I don't need.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: H₂O on November 04, 2014, 01:38:13 PM
Hmmmmm, anyone making active cables for these?

Well you kinda of loose the idea of the m260's and m60's if you where to use a active cable > PFA solution

The m60's from what I understand are a stab at the old km84 as they have output xformers
The m260's are tube based

The Telefunken design does not allow for a realistic addition of an active cable as the capusle is only a capsule and only has 2 conductors present (polarization and gnd)

You may be able to add a jfet based impedence converter with extension cable but you would need additional power for that (prob 4-10v depending on the design/FET)

They have looked into an active solution but I have no idea where this would stand in there priority list or how far it has gotten.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: H₂O on November 04, 2014, 01:40:07 PM
Thanks for the links Richard, I look forward to checking it out.  What are your thoughts of the FET vs. Tubes?

I prefered the m260's as they sounded more musical to my ears but I was using the first set of prototypes and only got to run them once (hard to judge with only one "test")

Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on November 04, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
Thanks for the links Richard, I look forward to checking it out.  What are your thoughts of the FET vs. Tubes?

I prefered the m260's as they sounded more musical to my ears but I was using the first set of prototypes and only got to run them once (hard to judge with only one "test")


They have not changed much. I will send Ted my pair and let him play with them. Only time I use them now is for onstage as they lack that "something" that my MG's give me.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: vegeta_ban on November 04, 2014, 11:45:41 PM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...
Those shock mounts are what came with my field kit.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: jazzgtrl4 on November 05, 2014, 11:30:52 AM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...
Those shock mounts are what came with my field kit.

damn your lucky. i got the a20s knock offs. i might hit up Alan for a new pair  ;D
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: tgakidis on November 05, 2014, 11:36:04 AM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...
Those shock mounts are what came with my field kit.

damn your lucky. i got the a20s knock offs. i might hit up Alan for a new pair  ;D

They ain't cheap at $69 each  :o
http://store.t-funk.com/p/m-761-microphone-elastic-shock-mount-ela-m-260-m60?pp=24
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: tgakidis on November 05, 2014, 11:37:51 AM
Yup heard these were coming out..I like those shockmounts ALOT better then what comes with the tubes...
Those shock mounts are what came with my field kit.

damn your lucky. i got the a20s knock offs. i might hit up Alan for a new pair  ;D

They ain't cheap at $69 each  :o
http://store.t-funk.com/p/m-761-microphone-elastic-shock-mount-ela-m-260-m60?pp=24

$49 each here... http://www.frontendaudio.com/Telefunken-Elektroakustik-M-761-Mount-p/9999-14983.htm?gclid=Cj0KEQiAsueiBRCT8YOM4PDElsYBEiQAaiI4IGoi1w7CviJVTPxSlsUlZ9ljuRYMERi2fxImDTi4WlkaAkAX8P8HAQ&click=18920
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: H₂O on November 05, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
for those prices you might as well step up to Rycote

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554998-REG/Rycote_041106_INV_6_InVision_Indoor_Microphone.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554999-REG/Rycote_041107_INV_7_InVision_Indoor_Microphone.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/880280-REG/Rycote_041118_INV_8_Microphone_Suspension.html
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: vegeta_ban on November 06, 2014, 12:39:02 AM
damn didn't know they were that expensive, I guess I'll start treating them nicer.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: carlbeck on November 06, 2014, 10:30:03 AM
I saw these when I visited the factory to pick up my 260's. The fit & finish was excellent, I really liked the way they were packaged in the stereo set. I think they will have a winner if they hit the street with the pricing we were discussing AND of course they sound good.....
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: 404 Not Found on November 26, 2014, 12:10:40 PM
Just ordered my M60 Stereo set.  looking forward to using these!
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: carlbeck on January 23, 2015, 08:03:49 AM
Just ordered my M60 Stereo set.  looking forward to using these!
So, any news? Did you get your set? I'm interested to hear these & if they are Telefunkens stab at the KM84. Enquiring minds want to know  :D
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: 404 Not Found on January 23, 2015, 10:28:51 AM
Have not received as of yet.  Was on back order, as I guess I missed the pre-book?  Expecting them possibly...hopefully today?

If only I had them last week for a Big Band recording of Zappa's music with the Ed Palermo Big Band.

I really want to test the M62 Hyper-Cardioid caps.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: carlbeck on January 23, 2015, 10:56:45 AM
I really like the hyper caps in my set, I use them more often than not. I find them closer to a super card than hyper, they are very full sounding yet do a great job of rejecting the junk in the room. It's my go to cap in the rooms I tape in unless I'm on stage. I imagine the fet set up will be the same since it's the same cap with the fet body vs the Tubes. Hope you get yours soon so you can share your thoughts.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: 404 Not Found on January 23, 2015, 11:18:11 AM
I also want to test the Card Caps against my Miktek C5MP FET Cards I run.  I really like the C5's although I never see or hear of many people using them outside of studio's and or overheads at clubs.  Much testing and fun to come!
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: carlbeck on January 23, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Those Mikteks look interesting to me as well, I've wondered why more people don't use them except in studio applications. All the feedback seems positive every time I've read about them. I think most of us as tapers are too worried about spending money on mics such as those that aren't widely used in our typical applications, I know I am but if I had the money to spend I'd like to try a set sometime.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: 404 Not Found on January 23, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Contacted my sales rep in re. to my order and was notified that it was going to drop ship today from Telefunken's warehouse in CT, as well as they knocked off an extra $50.  I'll take any additional discount.

Should have by Monday! 

Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: jazzgtrl4 on January 24, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
I really like the hyper caps in my set, I use them more often than not. I find them closer to a super card than hyper, they are very full sounding yet do a great job of rejecting the junk in the room. It's my go to cap in the rooms I tape in unless I'm on stage. I imagine the fet set up will be the same since it's the same cap with the fet body vs the Tubes. Hope you get yours soon so you can share your thoughts.

Yup i use the hyper caps about 90% of the time with my 260's indoor, outdoor..whatever.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on February 07, 2015, 08:25:51 PM
There's ba Robert Randolph show with the hyper caps on BT...downloading now.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on February 08, 2015, 08:38:21 PM
There's ba Robert Randolph show with the hyper caps on BT...downloading now.


The source is WAY under the balcony at the new Infinity Hall. There was very little room and they made Scott record from the back of the room. I have not heard the tape but they were my M60's that were used.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on February 09, 2015, 03:56:47 PM
That set up location makes sense...recording sounds like a pretty small room.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on February 09, 2015, 04:08:11 PM
That set up location makes sense...recording sounds like a pretty small room.


Very small room. I am going to try and run the mics more. I have not used them in 6 months.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on February 11, 2015, 01:29:56 PM
Love to hear the card caps.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on March 09, 2015, 08:33:00 PM
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=578590

Hypers(62) with V3>R44
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on March 10, 2015, 12:16:16 AM
This show sounds amazing!!! Wowzer!!!
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on March 10, 2015, 06:43:41 AM
This show sounds amazing!!! Wowzer!!!


I am digging it. Really full and crisp.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on March 10, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Seriously considering letting the 150's go and grab the multicap matched pair and extra pair of bodies.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on March 10, 2015, 02:06:16 PM
Seriously considering letting the 150's go and grab the multicap matched pair and extra pair of bodies.


If you want I can run them with the MP2 next time out so you can get a feel for what the sound is like.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on March 10, 2015, 02:28:40 PM
Cool...definitely   8)
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: jbosco on March 10, 2015, 06:44:24 PM
That sounds nice!  Damn, I just picked up a new pair of mics, I was on the fence about picking up a pair of these but I couldn't find enough samples out there so I went with the KM 184 route instead, had I heard this first it might have pushed me in the other direction.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on March 10, 2015, 10:04:39 PM
2 bodies 3 capsule choices shocks and cables cost less than new 184's and smoke them. Great deals on these now.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: jbosco on March 11, 2015, 08:12:15 AM
2 bodies 3 capsule choices shocks and cables cost less than new 184's and smoke them. Great deals on these now.

Well I got the pair used for $800, so the master set is still twice as much, but I get what you're saying.  I guess it came down to I've always really like the sound of the 184's, to my ears they most closely represent what it sounded like at the show, so I was afraid that I'd buy the M60's and still want a set of 184's.  Maybe with next years tax refund I'll do the master set, but I'm just getting back into taping after 15 years and I'm trying to not go overboard.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: waltmon on March 11, 2015, 08:40:26 AM
I made some great fob recordings with my 184's for sure...esp outdoors...
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on March 11, 2015, 08:49:55 AM
2 bodies 3 capsule choices shocks and cables cost less than new 184's and smoke them. Great deals on these now.

Well I got the pair used for $800, so the master set is still twice as much, but I get what you're saying.  I guess it came down to I've always really like the sound of the 184's, to my ears they most closely represent what it sounded like at the show, so I was afraid that I'd buy the M60's and still want a set of 184's.  Maybe with next years tax refund I'll do the master set, but I'm just getting back into taping after 15 years and I'm trying to not go overboard.



For that price I would have also went with the 184's. I myself want a pair but now have MG bodies/actives and the M60's I don't know when I would use them.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Chomps on March 14, 2015, 08:19:19 AM
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=578662

Another M60 source for you all. I ran the Hypers again since they were on the bodies and I ran out of the house to make the show.
Will try and use the CARDS next time out if the situation calls for it.

Keith
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Ukiah Bass on December 12, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
Decided to give the M60 a go and ordered a stereo pair.  Main use w/b drum overheads, some acoustic guitar, and interested in trying on cajon.

For those of you who've used the M60, any advice to share that might be an out-of-the-ordinary discovery?
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: OhioHead on December 16, 2015, 12:44:38 PM
I really like the hyper caps in my set, I use them more often than not. I find them closer to a super card than hyper, they are very full sounding yet do a great job of rejecting the junk in the room. It's my go to cap in the rooms I tape in unless I'm on stage. I imagine the fet set up will be the same since it's the same cap with the fet body vs the Tubes. Hope you get yours soon so you can share your thoughts.

Yup i use the hyper caps about 90% of the time with my 260's indoor, outdoor..whatever.

Serious question would you use your hyper cards only 15 or 20 feet from the PA?

I snagged FICKE's 260's, run them 2x's have not tried the other cap's......looking for feedback.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: carlbeck on December 16, 2015, 12:57:06 PM
Depending on the room I would definitely use my hyper's at that distance. I prefer the hyper's because I rarely tape outdoors or in nice sounding rooms. Distance to the PA isn't as much of a factor to me where the shape of the room, the location of my mics relative to the sound source & chatty audience's is.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: jazzgtrl4 on December 16, 2015, 02:10:06 PM
I really like the hyper caps in my set, I use them more often than not. I find them closer to a super card than hyper, they are very full sounding yet do a great job of rejecting the junk in the room. It's my go to cap in the rooms I tape in unless I'm on stage. I imagine the fet set up will be the same since it's the same cap with the fet body vs the Tubes. Hope you get yours soon so you can share your thoughts.

Yup i use the hyper caps about 90% of the time with my 260's indoor, outdoor..whatever.

Serious question would you use your hyper cards only 15 or 20 feet from the PA?

I snagged FICKE's 260's, run them 2x's have not tried the other cap's......looking for feedback.

Yup id run them that close.  Just ran them at the El Rey here in LA with the hypers.  The room is kinda of long rectangle.  Came out great..

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=583812
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: OhioHead on December 16, 2015, 09:14:15 PM
Depending on the room I would definitely use my hyper's at that distance. I prefer the hyper's because I rarely tape outdoors or in nice sounding rooms. Distance to the PA isn't as much of a factor to me where the shape of the room, the location of my mics relative to the sound source & chatty audience's is.

^ thank you most of my rooms r odd shaped & not the best location to tape from, I try the hypers next outing!

Do I "lose" reproducing the low end vs. cards and do you all use windscreens indoors to reduce ambient (talking) noise?
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Jhurlbs81 on December 17, 2015, 07:54:19 AM
I good supercardioid, like the ones you use, should still have plenty of clean low end.  The supercardioid tends to pick up less room reverberation, so cardioids are more "full" sounding, but that can be a good or bad thing depending on the room.  Windscreens are needed to prevent wind noise/ HVAC, they will not help filter out the talkers.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: OhioHead on December 21, 2015, 09:22:06 AM
I good supercardioid, like the ones you use, should still have plenty of clean low end.  The supercardioid tends to pick up less room reverberation, so cardioids are more "full" sounding, but that can be a good or bad thing depending on the room.  Windscreens are needed to prevent wind noise/ HVAC, they will not help filter out the talkers.

^ thx u! will use "supers" for GSBG in January!
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Ukiah Bass on January 14, 2016, 09:09:20 PM
Just completed my first project with a matched pair of M60s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuwLlkqJzco&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: OhioHead on January 16, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
I good supercardioid, like the ones you use, should still have plenty of clean low end.  The supercardioid tends to pick up less room reverberation, so cardioids are more "full" sounding, but that can be a good or bad thing depending on the room.  Windscreens are needed to prevent wind noise/ HVAC, they will not help filter out the talkers.

^ thx u! will use "supers" for GSBG in January!

Not taping GSBG tonight, waited too long to find a sitter so I have my Hooligans.......

Just found out I am travelling 4 work on 2/21 so no WSP in Indy......hypers "maybe" for Anders in Cbus in early March + Cincy.......
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: Cheesecadet on January 16, 2016, 08:27:59 PM
Just completed my first project with a matched pair of M60s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuwLlkqJzco&feature=youtu.be

very nice
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 27, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
About to pick up a pair of these for $775. Pretty excited. Just card sadly, but I'll grab the other caps over the next few months
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: BonoBeats on July 27, 2016, 01:38:49 PM
Ran my set for the first time this past weekend for Motet/MMW/Vulfpeck at Red Rocks. Will have to wait until I get back to NOLA to post these, but listening back to them, they sound as good as expected.

(oh, and scored a Masters Stereo set on Reverb.com for under $1,100- it was an open demo from Sweetwater, used for their YouTube videos about a dozen times).
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 28, 2016, 09:08:55 AM
That's a steal for the master set
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: levoui on August 03, 2016, 09:22:43 AM
Ran my set for the first time this past weekend for Motet/MMW/Vulfpeck at Red Rocks. Will have to wait until I get back to NOLA to post these, but listening back to them, they sound as good as expected.

And it sounds absolutely stellar!!!  Buying a set ASAP.
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: OhioHead on September 19, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
That's a steal for the master set

Have not posted in a longtime, that is a heck of a deal.........

Sweetwater is a cool stop if ever near Ft. Wayne, wow is all I can say........
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: opsopcopolis on December 07, 2016, 08:43:02 PM
Finally got around to using my M60s with the omni caps for some classical stuff:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1jyz2wthnfwiaif/AADv0v1_n_Mh_kF21kQ_DaA2a?dl=0
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: BonoBeats on December 13, 2016, 02:19:35 PM
Finally got around to using my M60s with the omni caps for some classical stuff:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1jyz2wthnfwiaif/AADv0v1_n_Mh_kF21kQ_DaA2a?dl=0

Sounds fantastic, as expected.

Haven't used the omni caps yet, but added a pair of the 30mm diffuse spheres. Now just need to find the right opportunity to put them to use...
Title: Re: TELEFUNKEN Introduces M60 FET Microphone
Post by: A.Alden on July 07, 2017, 03:17:03 PM
Finally got around to using my M60s with the omni caps for some classical stuff:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1jyz2wthnfwiaif/AADv0v1_n_Mh_kF21kQ_DaA2a?dl=0

What Neumanns were you comparing them to? KM183?