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Title: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 08, 2018, 07:53:28 AM
What do you guys think? Will R-07 be the successor to the popular but discontinued R-05 and M10?

At least it looks great. Available in three colors. Black, white and red.

- Dual Recording function for making two simultaneous recordings—one at full level and another at a lower level to prevent clipping.
- Hybrid Limiter.
- Bluetooth wireless headphone and speaker monitoring.
- Bluetooth remote control with smartphone and supported smartwatches
- One-touch Scene function for instant setup in any recording scenario.
- Rehearsal function for perfect input levels with a single touch.
- Playback and/or recording approximately 15 hours with 2 x LR6/AA alkaline batteries.

Width: 61 mm / 2.40"
Depth: 103 mm / 4.06"
Height: 26 mm / 1.02"
Weight: 150 g / 5.3 oz

Estimated price:  $229.

Ask Audio: Roland Announces R-07 High-Resolution Audio Recorder (http://ask.audio/articles/roland-announces-r07-highresolution-audio-recorder)

B&H: Roland R-07 Portable Audio Recorder (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1383494-REG/roland_r_07_rd_r_07_portable_audio_recorder.html)

YouTube video: YouTube video: Roland R-07 Overview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqFKw4gT1c)

(https://i.imgur.com/IgPQqsi.jpg)
Title: Re: A look at ROLAND R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on January 08, 2018, 08:31:58 AM
At first glance I like the look of it.  The internal mics are discreet, and the red color can actually make it look like more of a consumer gadget than a serious recorder.  The wireless functionality further makes this look good for stealthing.

ETA: I see it's available in multiple colors.  All the better.  That way someone who wants black can get it, and someone who wants a color can choose that.  I guess my only concern for stealthing is it looks like it might have a lot of metal in the body...?
Title: Re: A look at ROLAND R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on January 08, 2018, 09:16:53 AM
Size comparison:

R-07: 2.40 x 4.06 x 1.02
R-05: 2.4 x 4.1 x 1
M10: 2.5 x 4.5 x 0.9

Weight comparison:

R-07: 5.3 oz / 150.0 g, including batteries
R-05: 5 oz (140g) [not specified whether this is with batteries]
M10: 6.6 oz (187 g) (With Batteries)

Given the weight of the R-07 I doubt it has a lot of metal to it after all.  I'm really excited about this thing.  Dual record and being able to control it remotely via phone are exactly the things I would want if someone asked me what could be added to the R-05 (though a digital in to use this as a bit bucket would be the icing on the cake).  Now my only question is how the mic/aux in jack will work...will it behave like the R-05 mic in, line in, or some combination of both?
Title: Re: A look at ROLAND R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: larrysellers on January 08, 2018, 09:25:03 AM
That red one looks a lot like a phone..perfect. My M10 is now 7 years old, so a replacement will be needed at some point.
Title: Re: A look at ROLAND R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Kamen on January 08, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
Oh, great.

This is certainly a must or me. Both my handhelds - an M10 and an LS-11 -  are discontinued, and I'm weary of putting them at risk. Unless nitial tests reveal something terrible going onwith the R-07's preamps, I'm certainly getting one.

The BT part is interesting. There have been a number of attempts at a remote-controlled handheld recorder lately, and I've found al of them lacking. The Tascams (44wl and 22wl) use WiFi, but they're shitty recorders. The Sony ICD-SX2000 hasa great-looking app, but a lot of flaws as a serious recorder (high noise floor, non-replaceable battery, etc.). The Olympus LS-P2 looks better, but is also noisy and lacks a line-in conection.

So, fingers crossed, the R-07 might just be "it".

K.
Title: Re: A look at ROLAND R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 08, 2018, 10:03:14 AM
The internal mics are discreet
Dual record and being able to control it remotely via phone are exactly the things I would want if someone asked me what could be added to the R-05

Yes. I will probably go Roland when my Sony M10 fails me. If not sooner than that. I hope we will get some in depth reviews soon.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on January 08, 2018, 12:20:34 PM
looks pretty good from a scan of it/specs

what I don't understand with Roland and Tascam though is why they need to come out with a new recorder over and over??
IMO if you get it right like the Sony M10 you are golden, seems these two brands are constantly releasing something new.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: spyder9 on January 08, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
runs up to 15 hours on two AA batteries


Finally, someone, besides Sony, built a handheld recorder that can record longer than 5 1/2 hours.  It's been 12 years since the M10 debuted....    ::)
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 08, 2018, 02:28:33 PM
what I don't understand with Roland and Tascam though is why they need to come out with a new recorder over and over??
IMO if you get it right like the Sony M10 you are golden, seems these two brands are constantly releasing something new.

I think it's great that they develop new products. Handheld recorders are less important today than a few years back as most people prefer to use their smartphones for everything. As Sony more or less has disappeared from the market I'm glad Roland and Tascam are still here for us. I have actually been a bit worried about M10 being discontinued. Hopefully R-07 will be the perfect replacement.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: perks on January 08, 2018, 02:39:01 PM
Love the R-05 and have found it to be more user friendly than the Sony M10.

Is there line level input on the R-07? It looks like they have moved to a single mic/aux input.  Is aux = line? and if yes why have 2 inputs on the R-05?

Micro-SD cards on the R-07 too.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 08, 2018, 02:55:49 PM
runs up to 15 hours on two AA batteries


Finally, someone, besides Sony, built a handheld recorder that can record longer than 5 1/2 hours.  It's been 12 years since the M10 debuted....    ::)

I have never used a R-05 myself but according to the specs the recording time is approx 16 hours with alkaline batteries. If that is incorrect, perhaps we can expect the R-07 to actually have less recording time as well.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 08, 2018, 03:01:29 PM
Is there line level input on the R-07? It looks like they have moved to a single mic/aux input.  Is aux = line? and if yes why have 2 inputs on the R-05?

Correct. A single input.

Audio Inputs: 1 x 1/8" stereo jack Mic/Aux input (with plug-in power)
Nominal Input Level Mic/Aux Input: -31 dBu, variable (default input level, 0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)
Input Impedance Mic/Aux Input: 4.5 kOhms

Perhaps someone more technically talented than me can explain if these specs are good or bad for using external mics with Nbox, IPA etc.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on January 08, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
I'm guessing the mic/aux input will behave like that of the DR-05 (for example) where there's a menu option to turn on/off plug in power.  I certainly hope the thing can at least take an analog line in cleanly.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: spyder9 on January 08, 2018, 03:52:20 PM
runs up to 15 hours on two AA batteries


Finally, someone, besides Sony, built a handheld recorder that can record longer than 5 1/2 hours.  It's been 12 years since the M10 debuted....    ::)

I have never used a R-05 myself but according to the specs the recording time is approx 16 hours with alkaline batteries. If that is incorrect, perhaps we can expect the R-07 to actually have less recording time as well.

Good job!  I never knew that and I own one.  That said, the R-05 received very little fanfare at TS.com.   Its Specs almost completely ignored, because the market was already flooded with high resolution recorders.  Smart move by Roland on the R-07.  Who's left to compete with it?  It looks like they have the Handheld market to themselves.......
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: rigpimp on January 08, 2018, 04:14:48 PM
I like the bluetooth monitoring feature and am curious to see what that actually looks like.  I wonder if the bluetooth playback will pair with a car stereo for the ride home from a gig.  If it connects to BT headphones or a BT speaker I cannot see why not.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: 2manyrocks on January 08, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
looks pretty good from a scan of it/specs

what I don't understand with Roland and Tascam though is why they need to come out with a new recorder over and over??
IMO if you get it right like the Sony M10 you are golden, seems these two brands are constantly releasing something new.

My thoughts are that Sony may have discontinued the M10 because journalists increasingly used their smartphones as audio/video recorders which probably hurt M10 sales.     Sony makes so many different products that the M10 may not have been financially significant to Sony even though it was practically significant to many on TS for its quality, size, and battery life. 

I suspect Tascam offers a wide variety of audio recorders at different price points because they are trying to capture as many sales of audio recorders at as many price points as they can.  If they release a recorder with upgraded features, existing customers may want to upgrade giving Tascam the opportunity for another sale. 

I'm glad to see the Roland R-07 and hope it will be a competent replacement if my m10 stops working.  Maybe the 07 battery life is longer if bluetooth is turned off, but if it will reliably run on a set of AA rechargeables for even say 8-10 hours, then that's  long enough for most people and then a fresh set of AAs can be installed. 

The bluetooth control could potentially be useful for remote control and a better view of the meters, too.   And the opportunity for bluetooth playback is something I hadn't considered before, but I think rigpimp has a good point. 



 



Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Gutbucket on January 08, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
Good to see a new Roland recorder that seems to be well suited for most users here, but the info below is a bummer for my uses-

Is there line level input on the R-07? It looks like they have moved to a single mic/aux input.  Is aux = line? and if yes why have 2 inputs on the R-05?

Correct. A single input.
Audio Inputs: 1 x 1/8" stereo jack Mic/Aux input (with plug-in power)

Upon seeing that it a offered "Dual Recording Feature" I hoped it would be able to record two separate stereo inputs simultaneously like the Tascam DR2d.  Looks like the DR2d remains the only small pocketable recorder ever made with that dual-stereo input recording functionality.  Oh well.

Looks good otherwise.. carry on.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: rigpimp on January 08, 2018, 06:52:05 PM
M10 is old too!

I want to read more about the 2nd recording feature.  It sounds like it makes two copies at the same time?  One is recorded at a lower level or with limiters in case you have a blow out on your main recording? 

I wonder how clean the preamps are?  When will we see it in the wild?

Wonder wonder wonder.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on January 08, 2018, 10:03:47 PM
what I don't understand with Roland and Tascam though is why they need to come out with a new recorder over and over??
IMO if you get it right like the Sony M10 you are golden, seems these two brands are constantly releasing something new.

I think it's great that they develop new products. Handheld recorders are less important today than a few years back as most people prefer to use their smartphones for everything. As Sony more or less has disappeared from the market I'm glad Roland and Tascam are still here for us. I have actually been a bit worried about M10 being discontinued. Hopefully R-07 will be the perfect replacement.
im glad too. I was referring more to getting it right.
Title: Re: Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Cheesecadet on January 08, 2018, 10:40:26 PM
B&H site says "mic/line 1/8" input" under its description.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: 2manyrocks on January 09, 2018, 10:21:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqFKw4gT1c

Looks like the marketing is being aimed at teens to college age as an easy to use recorder with the ability to playback wirelessly over bluetooth headphones and speakers. 

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on January 09, 2018, 10:59:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqFKw4gT1c

Looks like the marketing is being aimed at teens to college age as an easy to use recorder with the ability to playback wirelessly over bluetooth headphones and speakers.

To be expected if they want the unit to sell. I think it might hurt their sales if instead if instead the video showed a bunch of aging guys in Kangol hats...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 09, 2018, 04:55:11 PM
I think it might hurt their sales if instead if instead the video showed a bunch of aging guys in Kangol hats...

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: ArchivalAudio on January 10, 2018, 01:27:59 AM
also avaialbe for preorder at Adorama:
https://www.adorama.com/g/roland_r-07?emailprice=t&utm_source=slgt&utm_medium=email&guid=63808568-9512-4684-9dc6-ecc07135d6f0&utm_term=Shop&utm_content=Body&utm_campaign=Email_CESDay1_010818 (https://www.adorama.com/g/roland_r-07?emailprice=t&utm_source=slgt&utm_medium=email&guid=63808568-9512-4684-9dc6-ecc07135d6f0&utm_term=Shop&utm_content=Body&utm_campaign=Email_CESDay1_010818)

dose look like a promising replacement for the m-10 - with some differences of course.
the white one is actually white and grey:
https://www.adorama.com/ror07wh.html?EmailPrice=T (https://www.adorama.com/ror07wh.html?EmailPrice=T) (https://www.adorama.com/images/XLarge/ror07wh_2.jpg) (https://www.adorama.com/images/XLarge/ror07wh_4.jpg)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on January 10, 2018, 02:19:18 PM
Nice !

I still have 3 R-05's so no need to replace, but good to know Roland made a new recorder :)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: sos on January 10, 2018, 11:04:17 PM
Sooo... not all at once -  who's pre-ordering?  >:D
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: old and in the way on January 11, 2018, 07:34:42 AM
Got one on order from Adorama (black) Don't really need it ,have an R05 & m10 but the blue tooth sounds nice plus dual record too. ill probably sell the M10 after i get the 07 and give it a whirl.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: fanofjam on January 11, 2018, 08:54:07 AM
Looks nice...especially the bluetooth functions.

A couple nit picks that haven't been mentioned...

Unless it can get power from the USB port, no external ac power jack is downer for festival people, but 15 hour run-time helps ease that concern a little bit.  I like setting and forgetting, so having both batteries and external connected gives me peace of mind in case something happens. 

I don't care for the display design...looks like a place for dirt and dust to collect.

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: old and in the way on January 11, 2018, 09:24:45 AM
Yea it does look like it could get dirt or dusty under the top end ,but there should be a way to clean or maybe seal that area.That canned air cleaner works pretty good if used on a regular basis. i hope it has a stealth mode like the other small recorders i have . but with the blue tooth option it wont be a deal breaker as long as you can adjust the gain from your phone. i have a mixpre 3 and that is a little bit of a downer. battery life really not a problem . A fresh set  2 times a day =30 hrs  i don't think one would have a problem at a festy.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: yug du nord on January 11, 2018, 10:55:55 AM
A couple nit picks that haven't been mentioned...

Unless it can get power from the USB port, no external ac power jack is downer for festival people, but 15 hour run-time helps ease that concern a little bit.  I like setting and forgetting, so having both batteries and external connected gives me peace of mind in case something happens. 


It's specs state that it can be USB bus-powered.   So hopefully an external USB battery should work with it.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: fanofjam on January 11, 2018, 11:08:06 AM
A couple nit picks that haven't been mentioned...

Unless it can get power from the USB port, no external ac power jack is downer for festival people, but 15 hour run-time helps ease that concern a little bit.  I like setting and forgetting, so having both batteries and external connected gives me peace of mind in case something happens. 


It's specs state that it can be USB bus-powered.   So hopefully an external USB battery should work with it.

Nice!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Butters1099 on January 11, 2018, 11:46:59 AM
Sooo... not all at once - who's pre-ordering?  >:D

Placed my preorder last night. 
The Edirol R-09 is getting old, but after 11 years of stealth recording, I’ll be retiring it to backup recorder.

I still have my minidisc recorder too, but it sits as a paperweight ????
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on January 16, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
I sincerely hope that mic/aux jack is switchable via internal menu. If you can't switch the mic preamp off and use it as a straight line input, then this device is pretty much useless for tapers. It will overload at lou1d shows.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on January 16, 2018, 10:35:54 AM
The specs listed for the MIC/AUX IN jack are nearly identical to the specks for the R-05 MIC IN on high gain. Not good.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on January 16, 2018, 10:53:24 AM
Definitely something I'd want clarified before preordering.  I'll be really bummed if they dropped the ball on that point since the recorder otherwise looks pretty good.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: gunk on January 18, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
When is the Roland R-07 actually going to be in the shops?

Is there an official release date for it?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on January 18, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
When is the Roland R-07 actually going to be in the shops?

Is there an official release date for it?
B&H's site says mid-April  :shrug:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on January 19, 2018, 02:39:35 PM
B&H's site says mid-April  :shrug:

I hope we will get a proper review earlier than that.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: magmazing on January 25, 2018, 03:40:51 AM
The specs of the input look similar to the mic input on the R09-HR. Not being able to set it to line level would suck immensely. I'd want to use an R-07 for potential board feeds at bar shows. Being able to hit stop and record with your phone instead of leaving your spot in a sold out club to go physically hit stop or record would be amazing.

If it's only mic input, could you use attenuator cables or adapters to knock things back? 
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on January 25, 2018, 09:33:32 PM
I think because it says aux in that you will be able to do "line" and not just mic
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: perks on January 25, 2018, 09:39:46 PM
Wouldn't it say Line In then like all other Edirol recorders? By calling it the Aux In I suspect there is a difference but we will find out in April for sure. It looks perfect for folks running  a baby Nbox.   
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: gormenghast on January 25, 2018, 10:03:54 PM
Wouldn't it say Line In then like all other Edirol recorders? By calling it the Aux In I suspect there is a difference but we will find out in April for sure. It looks perfect for folks running  a baby Nbox.

Like this  >:D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4133/35767167655_d7903f1d43_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuC5Qp)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on January 25, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
Wouldn't it say Line In then like all other Edirol recorders? By calling it the Aux In I suspect there is a difference but we will find out in April for sure. It looks perfect for folks running  a baby Nbox.
yes
I guess to be more clear, I am saying it will do closer to line vs mic only
Here is a little break down http://www.shure.com/americas/support/find-an-answer/mic-level-and-line-level-what-do-they-mean
You see there at mic is -60 to -40
Aux is -10
Line is 0
So although not true line in, pretty close
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: magmazing on January 30, 2018, 06:13:59 PM
At 2:50 of this video. a Roland rep mentions the input being for "mic or line level if you want to do that." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xKGzNnNl_M

So that's promising.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jmerin on February 06, 2018, 10:11:23 AM
anyone know the max card this device can handle?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: sos on February 06, 2018, 10:24:52 AM
anyone know the max card this device can handle?

An owner's manual hasn't been posted yet, but the "product highlights" state that the R-07 records to microSD & microSDHC cards (like the Sony M10), but unlike it's handheld Roland predecessors. No mention of microSDXC. Currently, SDHC specifications allow for memory cards of capacities between 4GB - 32GB. The Edirol/Roland products I've used tend not to be too finicky about card brand/type.

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on March 16, 2018, 11:39:41 AM
anyone know the max card this device can handle?

An owner's manual hasn't been posted yet, but the "product highlights" state that the R-07 records to microSD & microSDHC cards (like the Sony M10), but unlike it's handheld Roland predecessors. No mention of microSDXC. Currently, SDHC specifications allow for memory cards of capacities between 4GB - 32GB. The Edirol/Roland products I've used tend not to be too finicky about card brand/type.

The first recording of the Roland R-07

https://www.shimamura.co.jp/shop/shinjuku/pa-rec/20180228/2156

I'm sorry but... not very good quality. Now I'm sad.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on March 16, 2018, 11:49:04 AM
The first recording of the Roland R-07

https://www.shimamura.co.jp/shop/shinjuku/pa-rec/20180228/2156

I'm sorry but... not very good quality. Now I'm sad.
That's using internal mics, right?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on March 16, 2018, 11:57:34 AM
The first recording of the Roland R-07

https://www.shimamura.co.jp/shop/shinjuku/pa-rec/20180228/2156

I'm sorry but... not very good quality. Now I'm sad.
That's using internal mics, right?

Yes. You can see in the pictures.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on March 16, 2018, 12:11:14 PM
The first recording of the Roland R-07

https://www.shimamura.co.jp/shop/shinjuku/pa-rec/20180228/2156

I'm sorry but... not very good quality. Now I'm sad.

Internals are usually crap. I don't think anyone here expects the R-07 to be any exception. It will, just as the its precursor R-05, be best used with external microphones.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on March 16, 2018, 03:31:53 PM
With no Line Input, it remains to be seen whether external mics can be used at all.  Since you're forced to use the R-07's internal mic preamp, the unit will likely overload at anything but an acoustic performance. Can't wait till an actual taper gets a hold of one so well know once and for all.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: mepaca on March 17, 2018, 11:29:36 PM
There is line input. It is switchable.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on March 18, 2018, 11:23:43 AM
There is line input. It is switchable.
is it actually "line"? Aux doesn't take as high a signal as line and since it says "aux" I think that's what people are wondering about
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on March 19, 2018, 11:15:16 AM
There is line input. It is switchable.

Based on what I was told when I called Roland, there is no way to switch the Mic preamp off. It is strictly a Mic input.

I certainly hope that info is wrong, but after calling them 15 times and speaking to staff that couldnt answer my questions, I finally got connected to someone who sounded like he knew what he was talking about. He told me no switch in the menu.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: edtyre on March 19, 2018, 03:06:35 PM
On Roland’s website, the specs say it is variable
input, and -31 db is the default. 
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: unidentified on March 19, 2018, 08:01:12 PM
I finally get the Sony icd-ux560 with best quality in built-in mics and cheaper.
Frequency Response   50 Hz - 20 kHz
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: PaulCayard on March 24, 2018, 03:24:05 AM
User Manual: https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/R-07_eng03_W.pdf
Reference Guide: https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/R-07_r_eng01_W.pdf

Bad news from reference guide...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: old and in the way on March 24, 2018, 07:00:58 AM
well that bites .no mention of line level input.just cancelled on this until further updates from rolland
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on March 24, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
User Manual: https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/R-07_eng03_W.pdf
Reference Guide: https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/R-07_r_eng01_W.pdf

Bad news from reference guide...

glad I kept 3 r-05's!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: MakersMarc on March 24, 2018, 12:35:33 PM
 glad I hoarded a backup m10 and a third new in box.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on March 24, 2018, 04:57:39 PM
glad I hoarded a backup m10 and a third new in box.

I feel ya! Well done man :)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Drifter1 on March 25, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
I see these are now available in Toronto...has anyone tried running a preamp with external mics into the mic/aux as of yet?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: hbomb on March 25, 2018, 08:43:46 PM
I am waiting on this bit of info as well... I need a good replacement for my antique R09 which is on its last legs... I find it dumbfounding that Roland might have got this far and then decided to omit such a crucial function...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on March 27, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Truly a colossal blunder on Roland's part. They could have captured the entire market segment.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Drifter1 on March 27, 2018, 02:49:25 PM
This is from a Roland tech...."There is no Line In jack on the R-07, just a MIC/AUX 1/8" jack that supports plug-in powered mics. The input level is variable but defaults to -31 dBu. The input impedance is 4.5k ohms." 
I'm not an electrical person can any of you make any assumptions as to whether you can plug a Church preamp into the R07
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: lsd2525 on March 27, 2018, 03:10:29 PM
Is everyone worried about a line level being too hot? Why not just use an attenuator?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: hbomb on March 27, 2018, 08:38:28 PM
Well, I'll now know definitely in less than a week. With an overseas trip planned to see TheThe's comeback shows in the UK on the near horizon and an old R-09 that is slowly dying and becoming less and less reliable, it was time to bite the bullet.... I've plumped for a Black R-07 coming from Japan. When it arrives I will hook up my trusty CA-9100 and see what transpires... (which I'm hopeful will work as I've read in various posts over the years here that the knob acts as an attenuator of sorts.Fingers crossed) Any tips to avoid potential damage Chris Church?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: yug du nord on March 27, 2018, 11:08:05 PM
^If you are using a Church Audio preamp (or any other external preamp) or external battery box..  make sure to have the Plug-In-Power on the recorder turned OFF.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: hbomb on March 28, 2018, 01:52:07 AM
Thanks Yug...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on March 28, 2018, 10:43:08 AM
Well, I'll now know definitely in less than a week. With an overseas trip planned to see TheThe's comeback shows in the UK on the near horizon and an old R-09 that is slowly dying and becoming less and less reliable, it was time to bite the bullet.... I've plumped for a Black R-07 coming from Japan. When it arrives I will hook up my trusty CA-9100 and see what transpires... (which I'm hopeful will work as I've read in various posts over the years here that the knob acts as an attenuator of sorts.Fingers crossed) Any tips to avoid potential damage Chris Church?

Cool! Always liked 'This Is The Day'
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: one8ung on March 31, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
I have a Church Audio Ugly Battery Box and a Soundman A3 adapter.

On the Ugly Battery Box i have disturbance on the Roland R-07 on the A3 adapter not!

Plug-In Power switched OFF
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on March 31, 2018, 10:17:00 AM
So you sold your R-05 and bought an R-07 instead? Why  ???
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: one8ung on March 31, 2018, 10:31:25 AM
So you sold your R-05 and bought an R-07 instead? Why  ???

Was looking for a stealth-recorder... but it turns out that it is not a upgrade!

 :banging head:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Drifter1 on March 31, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the product....Chris church told me he would have to actually have an R07 to text it
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on March 31, 2018, 12:32:36 PM
So you sold your R-05 and bought an R-07 instead? Why  ???

Was looking for a stealth-recorder... but it turns out that it is not a upgrade!

 :banging head:

I still don't get it. R-05 is not a stealth recorder?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: spyder9 on April 02, 2018, 10:42:41 AM
So you sold your R-05 and bought an R-07 instead? Why  ???

Was looking for a stealth-recorder... but it turns out that it is not a upgrade!

 :banging head:

I still don't get it. R-05 is not a stealth recorder?

R-05 is tiny......
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on April 03, 2018, 07:09:18 AM
Exactly. Perfect stealth recorder. I have a couple of them.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 03, 2018, 07:27:28 PM
So you sold your R-05 and bought an R-07 instead? Why  ???

Was looking for a stealth-recorder... but it turns out that it is not a upgrade!

 :banging head:

Could you upload a sample recording with the built-in mics? Thanks
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 03, 2018, 07:31:27 PM
Another video example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoGjWOhzSU

That shows that the R-07 is not a proffesional device.  :(
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on April 04, 2018, 08:14:10 AM
Another video example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoGjWOhzSU

That shows that the R-07 is not a proffesional device.  :(

^
This video has been removed.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 04, 2018, 08:31:08 AM
Another video example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoGjWOhzSU

That shows that the R-07 is not a proffesional device.  :(

^
This video has been removed.

The user changed the link. Here is the new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BrQe90beg4
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on April 04, 2018, 09:09:12 AM

The user changed the link. Here is the new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BrQe90beg4

The R-05 and R-07 are very similar. Decent microphones as expected but nothing spectacular. The iPhone sucks compared to both, though.

If internals are that important to you I think you should consider another device.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 04, 2018, 09:19:52 AM

The user changed the link. Here is the new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BrQe90beg4

The R-05 and R-07 are very similar. Decent microphones as expected but nothing spectacular. The iPhone sucks compared to both, though.

If internals are that important to you I think you should consider another device.

What do you recommend me? Thanks!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on April 04, 2018, 01:53:16 PM
If internals are that important to you I think you should consider another device.

What do you recommend me? Thanks!

Sorry, I never use internals. I prefer external microphones. I really think there are others at TS that can answer your question better than me.

You didn't get enough info in the topic you started?

Best built-in mics in portable recorder (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=185690.msg2258093#msg2258093)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dogmusic on April 04, 2018, 01:53:45 PM

The user changed the link. Here is the new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BrQe90beg4

The R-05 and R-07 are very similar. Decent microphones as expected but nothing spectacular. The iPhone sucks compared to both, though.

If internals are that important to you I think you should consider another device.

What do you recommend me? Thanks!

It depends on your budget and what you want to record. The internal mics on the Sony PCM-D100 are extremely good. I've used it for nature recordings and acoustic piano with excellent results.

But for a budget recorder, I think the Tascam DR-05 does an admirable job with its internals.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: pohaku on April 04, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
Another video example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoGjWOhzSU

That shows that the R-07 is not a proffesional device.  :(

I don't know that any of the handheld recorders can really be considered a "professional device."  Maybe the Sony D100, but that might be it, and then only arguably.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 06, 2018, 05:55:39 PM
More comparisons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFe7xOGqNVY

What do you think?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: TheMetalist on April 07, 2018, 04:47:19 AM
I think we can agree that the internal microphones sucks.

Now I want to know more about its functions and overall quality.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on April 07, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
I think we can agree that the internal microphones sucks.

Now I want to know more about its functions and overall quality.

I am not really interested in the internal mics, but I think it would be more accurate to say that in the You Tube video, for the type of music and instrumentation being recorded, as well as the placement of the decks (mics) that cardioid mics perhaps sound better (or maybe different is more accurate) than omni-directional mics. I didn't think either sounded bad in that type of regulated environment, but comparing decks with 2 different mic patterns is not any way to judge the decks or their internal mics or their inherent limitations.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Ozpeter on April 07, 2018, 10:40:41 PM
You cannot make a worthwhile stereo recording with closely-spaced omni mics.  The M10 is a prime example - no matter how good the mic capsules might be in terms of frequency response and noise and distortion, the close spacing means that low frequencies tend to become mono and appear at the centre of the image, and high frequencies tend to move more to the sides (but not far).  So the whole stereo image is frequency-skewed.  Years ago I posted methods of trying to correct this in post production using certain plugins, but at best you are attempting to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, unless you attach little or no importance to the stereo image.

If the R-07 has omni mics then forget it for stereo recordings.  Its stereo image will sound as bad as the M10 (and compared to the M10 is likely to be inferior in terms of frequency response etc).
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: goodcooker on April 08, 2018, 12:45:06 AM
at best you are attempting to make a silk purse from a sow's ear

I laughed out loud. I love colloqialisams.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: ideal77dlr on April 10, 2018, 02:09:57 PM
Just got one of these - just a very quick test but hooked this up to my Church Audio Pre Amp and CA 14s.
It APPEARS that the MIC IN / AUX does act as a LINE IN as well. Compared to my Sony M10 it seems like it's doing pretty much the same thing. I had the input set to 20 and it was picking up at more or less the same on the M10 set at 6. I might be wrong as it was a very quick low volume test & im not sure how to get a definitive answer to this, but it looks like the LINE IN feature is there after all?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on April 10, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
I was hoping someone would try it with CA-14. My guess is you are still going through the internal mic preamp, but the CA-14, because it is a fairly low output mic, will not overload it. How loud was the signal you were recording? Rock concert volume?

How is the quality of the recording you made?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: larrysellers on April 10, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
Has anyone here ever overloaded the mic in on an R05? I never have. This is mic-in with a baby nbox and it was incredibly loud up front where I was recording from ---> https://logamp.com/1463/music/tracks/17186 .
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on April 10, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
I briefly tested the Mic In of the R-05 last week using the CA-14 cards and a 12V battery box. Surprisingly, the levels were not noticeably higher than through its R-05 Line In. I had the R-05's input control set to the maximum 80/80 while taping a loud hard rock show. The meter read about -8db. Since the specs (on paper) for the R-05 Mic In are identical to those of the R-07, this gives me hope that the R-07 might be useful after all. For me, it comes down to the quality of its mic preamp. If it's going to color the sound, I'm passing on it. Waiting for serious reviews.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: tim in jersey on April 10, 2018, 10:34:53 PM
at best you are attempting to make a silk purse from a sow's ear

I laughed out loud. I love colloqialisams.

A variant upon that a former boss of mine used was "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit..."
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: ideal77dlr on April 11, 2018, 04:31:20 AM
This was only a small test in front of my hifi speakers. I'm trying to see if there's a hidden menu - I have found out that you can flip the display upside down, which is weird.

Not tried the phone app yet either.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: ideal77dlr on April 11, 2018, 04:34:45 AM
I briefly tested the Mic In of the R-05 last week using the CA-14 cards and a 12V battery box. Surprisingly, the levels were not noticeably higher than through its R-05 Line In. I had the R-05's input control set to the maximum 80/80 while taping a loud hard rock show. The meter read about -8db. Since the specs (on paper) for the R-05 Mic In are identical to those of the R-07, this gives me hope that the R-07 might be useful after all. For me, it comes down to the quality of its mic preamp. If it's going to color the sound, I'm passing on it. Waiting for serious reviews.

That's pretty much my findings at this stage - it looks like it's doing the same thing in terms of levels as my M10. I also have an R09HR which would probably be a better comparison. I'll have a go at recording something and see what it's like.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Drifter1 on April 12, 2018, 02:17:58 PM
This is from Tony a tech at Roland..."The Mic/Aux jack on the R-07 will support the same functionality, allowing you to connect anything from a mic to a line-level input. You'll need to adjust the input level on the R-07 so you aren't over-driving/clipping the input."
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: lsd2525 on April 12, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
at best you are attempting to make a silk purse from a sow's ear

I laughed out loud. I love colloqialisams.

A variant upon that a former boss of mine used was "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit..."

10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound sack.......
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Records on April 12, 2018, 05:04:21 PM
Just got one of these - just a very quick test but hooked this up to my Church Audio Pre Amp and CA 14s.
It APPEARS that the MIC IN / AUX does act as a LINE IN as well. Compared to my Sony M10 it seems like it's doing pretty much the same thing. I had the input set to 20 and it was picking up at more or less the same on the M10 set at 6. I might be wrong as it was a very quick low volume test & im not sure how to get a definitive answer to this, but it looks like the LINE IN feature is there after all?

So how's the quality of the preamps compared to the Sony M10? I currently have the Sony and never use the internal mics, so I just care about the quality of recording audio when plugged in with a lav mic or a line-in. Are you able to monitor the audio with bluetooth headphones on the Roland R-07 too? Any delay in doing so? I know the Roland R-07 has bluetooth but I wasn't exactly sure if you could monitor the audio via bluetooth while it's recording. That's one feature I was looking forward to over the Sony since it doesn't have that option at all.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 14, 2018, 10:56:38 AM
Just got one of these - just a very quick test but hooked this up to my Church Audio Pre Amp and CA 14s.
It APPEARS that the MIC IN / AUX does act as a LINE IN as well. Compared to my Sony M10 it seems like it's doing pretty much the same thing. I had the input set to 20 and it was picking up at more or less the same on the M10 set at 6. I might be wrong as it was a very quick low volume test & im not sure how to get a definitive answer to this, but it looks like the LINE IN feature is there after all?

So how's the quality of the preamps compared to the Sony M10? I currently have the Sony and never use the internal mics, so I just care about the quality of recording audio when plugged in with a lav mic or a line-in. Are you able to monitor the audio with bluetooth headphones on the Roland R-07 too? Any delay in doing so? I know the Roland R-07 has bluetooth but I wasn't exactly sure if you could monitor the audio via bluetooth while it's recording. That's one feature I was looking forward to over the Sony since it doesn't have that option at all.

No, you can`'t monitor the audio via bluetooth with the remote app, only levels and start/stop the recording. To monitor the audio via bluetooth you need a headphones with bluetooth. Mine just arrived today.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: checht on April 20, 2018, 05:05:05 PM
Any update from anyone rockin' a R-07? How's it sound?

~Chris
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on April 20, 2018, 07:40:27 PM
Any update from anyone rockin' a R-07? How's it sound?

~Chris

From B&H: Expected availability: May 31, 2018
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 21, 2018, 12:35:17 PM
Any update from anyone rockin' a R-07? How's it sound?

~Chris

From B&H: Expected availability: May 31, 2018

In Europe is avaliable since two weeks ago.

Nice machine. I owe one.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on April 21, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
Any update from anyone rockin' a R-07? How's it sound?

~Chris

From B&H: Expected availability: May 31, 2018

In Europe is avaliable since two weeks ago.

Nice machine. I owe one.


^Yes.  Have you used the R-07 to record a loud show running external mics yet?  That is what we're all curious about.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: obsidian on April 24, 2018, 07:22:12 PM
It's taking a lot longer than I thought for the new units to actually have some "in concert" reviews with both internal and external Mic setups. Hopefully someone soon will help the rest of us in deciding whether to pull out the credit card or not.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on April 25, 2018, 07:59:22 AM

Just got this e-mail notice from B&H:

Now available for purchase online:  Roland R-07 Portable Audio Recorder -   BUY ONLINE 


B&H showed that they have Red & White R-07's are available.  The Black units had this note: More on the Way.  Expected availability: 7-10 business days.  Free Expedited Shipping

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on April 25, 2018, 06:16:14 PM
bought one last night

plenty on ebay in all colors, $229 free ship

ebay has 10-25% sitewide coupons now and again, but i was impatient as im going to a show on friday
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on April 25, 2018, 06:41:16 PM
bought one last night

plenty on ebay in all colors, $229 free ship

ebay has 10-25% sitewide coupons now and again, but i was impatient as im going to a show on friday

^Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this machine!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: sos on April 26, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
Pre-ordered one of these from B&H when they were first announced, and received mine, earlier today. Some observations (having recorded nothing more so far, than my own voice)...

Being a longtime fan of the R-09HR, which I've owned multiple units of, since they first came out in 2007... I could totally love this thing based on form factor alone! It's tiny (feels similar to the R-05 it replaces, which was smaller than the prior R-09HR model). It's sexy as hell, but I have a few major beefs with it, right out of the box...

Bluetooth connectivity (I own a Pixel XL) is crap. I've gotten the devices to pair once, which allowed me to to play around a bit with the downloaded app, which gave me a limited feel for the functionality of the app as a remote. The function I liked/hoped for, and wasn't sure would be present, was the ability to adjust gain from my phone. However, once the 2 devices were paired, whether I attempted to do so on the phone or the R-07 itself, an audible tick could be heard when moving in the range of 1-59 (the scale runs 0-100, unlike it's 2 predecessors, which ran 0-80). I've not been able to reconnect since, and this is with the units side-by-side (good luck, further apart)! Also, the omission of a dedicated line in, which all 3 of their prior portable models had, really makes me wonder what Roland was thinking...

I bought this recorder to use in 1 of 2 circumstances: >:D , or those situations where the sbd is not in an opportune spot, so that I could clamp/set up a stand more ideally, yet remotely start/stop a board patch, and adjust levels from a distance. The squirelly Bluetooth and the audible clicks are a no go for me. If a firmware update shores these up in the future, I can always repurchase, but for now, this sucker's likely goin back. I'll try to talk to some tech tomorrow, but not very optimistic, at the moment. Sorry for the ugly news...

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Ozpeter on April 27, 2018, 02:15:17 AM
'Zipper noise' when adjusting digital gain is a common problem - typically gain is being stepped not smoothly adjusted.  How noticable it is depends a lot on what you are recording.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 27, 2018, 07:19:50 AM
Pre-ordered one of these from B&H when they were first announced, and received mine, earlier today. Some observations (having recorded nothing more so far, than my own voice)...

Being a longtime fan of the R-09HR, which I've owned multiple units of, since they first came out in 2007... I could totally love this thing on form factor alone! It's tiny (feels similar to the R-05 it replaces, which was smaller than the prior R-09HR model). It's sexy as hell, but I have a few major beefs with it, right out of the box...

Bluetooth connectivity (I own a Pixel XL) is crap. I've gotten the devices to pair once, which allowed me to to play around a bit with the downloaded app, which gave me a limited feel for the functionality of the app as a remote. The function I liked/hoped for, and wasn't sure would be present, was the ability to adjust gain from my phone. However, once the 2 devices were paired, whether I attempted to do so on the phone or the R-07 itself, an audible tick could be heard when moving in the range of 1-59 (the scale runs 0-100, unlike it's 2 predecessors, which ran 0-80). I've not been able to reconnect since, and this is with the units side-by-side (good luck, further apart)! Also, the omission of a dedicated line in, which all 3 of their prior portable models had, really makes me wonder what Roland was thinking...

I bought this recorder to use in 1 of 2 circumstances: >:D , or those situations where the sbd is not in an opportune spot, so that I could clamp/set up a stand more ideally, yet remotely start/stop a board patch, and adjust levels from a distance. The squirelly Bluetooth and the audible clicks are a no go for me. If a firmware update shores these up in the future, I can always repurchase, but for now, this sucker's likely goin back. I'll try to talk to some tech tomorrow, but not very optimistic, at the moment. Sorry for the ugly news...

Totally agree. Mine has same problems. I don't understand the zipping tick noise moving the input level. I write to Roland Tech about this.

This is the email:

Andrea.fortuna@roland.com

I'm thinking about returning it too. I don't know yet because I love the unit but the Bluetooth system (pairing, monitoring and you can not send files via Bluetooth, OMG) is really a crap and a lot of noise changing the input level.  Here in Europe, the unit cost 225€, I'm thinking to buy the Olympus LS-P4 then. Someone knows which recorder sound better (internal mics)?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 27, 2018, 07:25:16 AM
Pre-ordered one of these from B&H when they were first announced, and received mine, earlier today. Some observations (having recorded nothing more so far, than my own voice)...

Being a longtime fan of the R-09HR, which I've owned multiple units of, since they first came out in 2007... I could totally love this thing on form factor alone! It's tiny (feels similar to the R-05 it replaces, which was smaller than the prior R-09HR model). It's sexy as hell, but I have a few major beefs with it, right out of the box...

Bluetooth connectivity (I own a Pixel XL) is crap. I've gotten the devices to pair once, which allowed me to to play around a bit with the downloaded app, which gave me a limited feel for the functionality of the app as a remote. The function I liked/hoped for, and wasn't sure would be present, was the ability to adjust gain from my phone. However, once the 2 devices were paired, whether I attempted to do so on the phone or the R-07 itself, an audible tick could be heard when moving in the range of 1-59 (the scale runs 0-100, unlike it's 2 predecessors, which ran 0-80). I've not been able to reconnect since, and this is with the units side-by-side (good luck, further apart)! Also, the omission of a dedicated line in, which all 3 of their prior portable models had, really makes me wonder what Roland was thinking...

I bought this recorder to use in 1 of 2 circumstances: >:D , or those situations where the sbd is not in an opportune spot, so that I could clamp/set up a stand more ideally, yet remotely start/stop a board patch, and adjust levels from a distance. The squirelly Bluetooth and the audible clicks are a no go for me. If a firmware update shores these up in the future, I can always repurchase, but for now, this sucker's likely goin back. I'll try to talk to some tech tomorrow, but not very optimistic, at the moment. Sorry for the ugly news...

Please, quote me if you receive an answer of any tech.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on April 27, 2018, 07:38:30 AM
Review from https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61074495

b&h sent me the email and i pounced on the red r-07 yesterday and i'm setting it up now. as i had read, many very nice features and smaller than even i could imagine--it's going to be a perfect pair for my tiny sony rx0.

i haven't even yet tried a test recording as i wanted to work through the advanced manual first, but i'm liking everything i see. the app is a little primitive--i sure was hoping you could use the r-07 menu system from the app, but it's not possible. i also need to test the bt monitoring and using it as a midi device. bt has aptx but not aptx-hd.

they've designed it to look like it's much smaller and has an aluminum cage like the ones for video cameras surrounding it, but it's all one piece. it does feel more plastic-y than my sony and some of the covers feel a little flimsy, but i'm careful with such things. the micro sd compartment is very badly designed as a hinged cover keep you from inserting and removing the card easily although you can utilized the cover to push down and lever out the card although i'm sure it wasn't what they had in mind. luckily, with bt i won't have to remove the card every time and there's always the usb at last resort--my mac's usb bus is a nightmare.

the power slider isn't as positive as i'd like and hard to tell if you're sliding it or not, but it is recessed so that it shouldn't come on accidently. but, imo, the worst control is the actual /record/ button which is a tiny dot recessed in the middle of a dpad. there are buttons like 20x larger and imo they could have left off all of them except the /menu/ button to give me a larger /record/ button.

ok, still setting up. more later. so far i'm a very happy camper as i wanted an ultra-portable with bt capability and roland delivered.
[ later note: there's an apple watch app, btw. you can control it from the watch once you've connected it to your iphone. ]
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Ozpeter on April 27, 2018, 08:43:28 AM
It was the DR-60D from Tascam which suffered from zipper noise when changing levels.  According to the TS thread on that recorder, people were putting up videos on YouTube to complain about it.  Dunno whether they fixed it in firmware updates later.   Google for dr-60d zipper and you'll find references to it.  Perhaps it's inherent in digital pots.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on April 27, 2018, 05:58:35 PM
bought one last night

plenty on ebay in all colors, $229 free ship

ebay has 10-25% sitewide coupons now and again, but i was impatient as im going to a show on friday

^Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this machine!

it landed

unfortuantely im going straight to a show tonight

afraid to adjust levels based on what ive read

one upside- maybe the fact that gain acts differently from 0-59 than from 60-100 means that it does in fact discriminate between line and mic signals

planning on running 4V>nbobs>tinybox>r07 but its an open situation i might run a backup rig with some combo of CMRs

my tinybox has a headphone out so i may just run that to my oade mod pmd661

just getting back into taping after a few years, and was like - man i got a lot of shit!  :shrug:

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on April 28, 2018, 06:37:31 AM
impressed!

ran 4v>nbobs>tinybox>r07 it was flawless

bluetooth app worked great it was a real treat. can start/stop/drop marks and tracks/adjust level, but no monitoring

r07 in power save mode has no flashing lights or anything - with the phone app its super stealth  >:D

none of the buttons have backlighting but you literally only need the menu button and the 4-way joy pad. i feel confident i could operate in dark even  if i was less than sober.

I didnt mess with "dual low level backup recording" because that would have required me to RTFM

some cool extra features for musicians- has a built in metronome and tuner

opener+main act was over 2 hours - recorder is still showing battery as full on 2 alkalines  :cheers:

ran the tinybox on low gain R-07 input levels were around 35-40
at mid gain the input levels were ~10. mighta been better but i didnt want to overload it

i did half the opening band with 4vs+tinybox (first 16 min at midgain on TB, then dropped to low gain and increased input level on R-07), the other half with R07's internal mics, internal mics werent awful. chatty bar crowd hurt a little with the lack of directionality

opening band mk4v+tinybox
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dE2PWBVYxWlYFdJKMfcl4nMybsOYSYYh/view?usp=sharing

opening band w/ R-07 omnis
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XZqChhMVTmN_mjtGrl-PBvJhsNogKhXi/view?usp=sharing

heres the main act (Consider the Source) 4V>TB at low gain all the way

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XhZ-Xp5WqB_UNIOnZ2iqH2om-HLBh3uj/view?usp=sharing

**i did not hear any audible clicking with level adjustments. of course its stepped if you go too fast you will hear it. if you bump it up or down a notch at a time "on the one" it is fine.**
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on April 28, 2018, 08:52:20 AM
^Thanks for your feedback!  Your observations sound much more positive than what was anticipated.  When is your next show with the R-07?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on April 28, 2018, 09:53:40 AM
Thanks for sharing the real world samples (and for recording CTS...great band!).
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: sos on April 28, 2018, 11:54:51 AM
impressed!
....

Thanks jerryfreak, for the field report. Happy as anyone, to hear of your positive results! Who knows, mebbe I got a lemon?! My Bluetooth connects perfectly fine with my MixPre-10T's Wingman app. Will remove/reload the Roland app, first. I did download it on a commuter train ride home (which shouldn't matter)...

Ah yes, zippering. Couldn't think of the technical term. I was among the early guinea pigs with the DR-60, and experienced same, which wasn't as much of an issue in play. My point was, this zippering was much more evident to me, when putting it through it's initial paces. I record on the louder side of the scale, so it may not be intrusive...

Still curious about how/if this can handle a line level signal, as I'd love to be able to control a board feed with it remotely, if/when my Bluetooth issue is resolved.

Back to the drawing board...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: checht on April 28, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
^ Thanks. Android or iOS?

Same question for those who posted about bt woes...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: sos on April 28, 2018, 12:38:10 PM
Pixel XL = Android
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on April 28, 2018, 03:15:05 PM
Got some feedback from a Dutch taper who used it in the field, but found the mic in far too easy to overload with a 12V battery box or the Church Ugly pre. Only way he could get the R07 to work was with mics straight in (no pre or batt box) and the internal 3V PIP. If accurate, that would make it useless for me. A $230 paperweight.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jj69 on April 28, 2018, 03:19:19 PM
impressed!

ran 4v>nbobs>tinybox>r07 it was flawless

How loud was this show?

I'm not familiar with your gear. Is the output level similar to Church CA-14 through a 12V battery box?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on April 28, 2018, 04:30:53 PM
medium bar loud. i was about 20 feet from the PA

id have to look up the gain settings on the tinybox, they are all custom
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on April 28, 2018, 04:33:37 PM
ask him what the input level was set to

as you see from my recording above of the opening band with the 4V>tinybox, it was not overloading the input when i ran an input that was enough to give it FSD at an input level of 10. i thought for sure it would be brickwalling in that config but it came out alright 

Got some feedback from a Dutch taper who used it in the field, but found the mic in far too easy to overload with a 12V battery box or the Church Ugly pre. Only way he could get the R07 to work was with mics straight in (no pre or batt box) and the internal 3V PIP. If accurate, that would make it useless for me. A $230 paperweight.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 03, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
impressed!
....

Thanks jerryfreak, for the field report. Happy as anyone, to hear of your positive results! Who knows, mebbe I got a lemon?! My Bluetooth connects perfectly fine with my MixPre-10T's Wingman app. Will remove/reload the Roland app, first. I did download it on a commuter train ride home (which shouldn't matter)...

Ah yes, zippering. Couldn't think of the technical term. I was among the early guinea pigs with the DR-60, and experienced same, which wasn't as much of an issue in play. My point was, this zippering was much more evident to me, when putting it through it's initial paces. I record on the louder side of the scale, so it may not be intrusive...

Still curious about how/if this can handle a line level signal, as I'd love to be able to control a board feed with it remotely, if/when my Bluetooth issue is resolved.

Back to the drawing board...

Dear Customer, thanks for the information, the problem has been communicated to Roland and I am waiting for news.
The problem could be solved with a further firmware update.
Thanks!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on May 03, 2018, 10:59:01 PM
The Dr-60d does not have the zipper issue currently fwiw
I can't recall how it was fixed but it was fixed so maybe this recorder can be fixed too
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: akrabu on May 04, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
Just got my R-07 in the mail!  I've lurked these forums for awhile, but just now got around to creating an account haha.  I use a Sony PCM-M10 with some Church mics for the most part.  I've also had several Tascam and Olympus recorders over the years.

Anyway, the first thing I tried was recording a track off my record player.  I split the signal and recorded at the same time.  44.1kHz/24-bit.  The band is AJJ.  Here's what I got:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/832bukalgn9jmrn/AAC-ukodNOiQqlJl8ey64n9ia?dl=0

Only thing I did was trim and normalize.  :coolguy:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlp7ea3a8ir6j17/r07-010.jpg?dl=1)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on May 04, 2018, 06:10:58 PM
15%  sitewide ebay coupon PMAY4TH expires at 7pm PST
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: ideal77dlr on May 05, 2018, 11:17:41 AM
I’ve been doing some line-in soundboard stuff. Superb results.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: checht on May 05, 2018, 01:10:36 PM
What memory cards are folks using with success?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on May 05, 2018, 02:00:40 PM
I tried my R07 for the first time last night with great results. I was open taping The Ike Willis Project and Micki Free. The music ranged from Micki's LOUD Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Peter Green very (very) loud music, to Ike's pretty darn loud Zappa like music. Both artists had impressive sets. The deck handled it all without any issues. In fact I had forgotten I set the deck to record a second track at lower dB, and that track was very very low. I used AT 853>Naiant Pipsqueak>Roland R07.

Because as stated above I was open taping using the MixPre6 with 3 sets of mics, I made sure to move levels and play around. I controlled the deck mainly from my phone to get a feel for that. I changed levels quite a bit and had no zipper effect at all. Maybe this was due to the very loud volume, but nothing audible at all.

I had no trouble at all with the Bluetooth, but I believe that it is meant to be used a certain way. If you lock the deck (on the deck with the power button in lock position) which I did, the remote from the phone will still control the levels as well as record, stop, start and all. After doing whatever I need to do, I either close the app or move off the app to texting camera or whatever, so I do not accidentally hit stop or change levels. At this point the app releases the deck and I think that is a protective measure. If I want to check levels later or make changes later on, I press the app and a search button appears, I press that button, the deck appears, I press that and it instantly connects, I hit the go back arrow and have functionality once again. It all takes just a few seconds. In my usage last night I thought that was great for my intended use, because I can stuff the deck and Pipsqueak or my UGLY into my pocket locked and use my phone to make changes without any fear of shoving the phone in my pocket and screwing anything up. It felt to me as if this was thought through in the design to allow the best usage and protection with the remote control by phone. As for the Bluetooth setting on the deck, once you activate it within the menu, it remains on always, until you disable it. So you can power off the deck and the next time you turn it on, the Bluetooth light will light showing you that you can connect to your phone app at any time you choose. This could be a battery drain, but you could turn it off if you do not plan to use the remote. I had 2 rechargeable LADDA (Ikea) batteries in the deck, had it on and/or running from 7pm til just after midnight and showed nearly full battery after. Normally I use and external to be safe, and certainly if I shove it in a pocket that is an easy option, but It will not be necessary unless it is a  >:D marathon.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dactylus on May 05, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
^Thanks for your testing and commentary on the R-07!

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: rodeen on May 05, 2018, 04:08:26 PM
Nice write-up, Dallman!  Sounds like a great little deck!  I missed the earlier posts about this deck, what was all the bashing about before it was released?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: checht on May 05, 2018, 04:10:14 PM
Nice write-up, Dallman!  Sounds like a great little deck!  I missed the earlier posts about this deck, what was all the bashing about before it was released?

Mostly worries about the input overloading...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on May 05, 2018, 04:12:31 PM
Nice write-up, Dallman!  Sounds like a great little deck!  I missed the earlier posts about this deck, what was all the bashing about before it was released?
I think it was mainly because of the fact that it doesn't have separate mic and line in ports.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on May 05, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
What memory cards are folks using with success?

It actually comes with an 8GB, so ive been using that ;)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on May 05, 2018, 08:12:40 PM
I tried my R07 for the first time last night with great results. I was open taping The Ike Willis Project

upload that please! ;)


In fact I had forgotten I set the deck to record a second track at lower dB, and that track was very very low. I used AT 853>Naiant Pipsqueak>Roland R07.

can you guess at how many dB lower? we have a lot more room with the modern 24 bit architecture. not really the same animal, but i can record mics straight into my ad2k with no gain stage, it peaks at like -30 but is clean as a whistle when normalized. Far cry from the days of having to pound the levels on a 16 bit DAT or *gasp* cassette. I would guess the safety  track would be 12-20 dB down? I wonder if there is a lot of quantization noise when running a 16-bit safety track?

also for those who didnt know, you are limited to 48K in safety mode, you cant use 88 or 96K with this feature

 
Because as stated above I was open taping using the MixPre6 with 3 sets of mics, I made sure to move levels and play around. I controlled the deck mainly from my phone to get a feel for that. I changed levels quite a bit and had no zipper effect at all. Maybe this was due to the very loud volume, but nothing audible at all.

so was this like some experimental test using line out of mixpre to the R07?


I had no trouble at all with the Bluetooth, but I believe that it is meant to be used a certain way. If you lock the deck (on the deck with the power button in lock position) which I did, the remote from the phone will still control the levels as well as record, stop, start and all. After doing whatever I need to do, I either close the app or move off the app to texting camera or whatever, so I do not accidentally hit stop or change levels. At this point the app releases the deck and I think that is a protective measure. If I want to check levels later or make changes later on, I press the app and a search button appears, I press that button, the deck appears, I press that and it instantly connects, I hit the go back arrow and have functionality once again. It all takes just a few seconds. In my usage last night I thought that was great for my intended use, because I can stuff the deck and Pipsqueak or my UGLY into my pocket locked and use my phone to make changes without any fear of shoving the phone in my pocket and screwing anything up. It felt to me as if this was thought through in the design to allow the best usage and protection with the remote control by phone.

we should ask them to add a lock button/swipe to the app that might be useful?




Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 05, 2018, 08:29:39 PM
About Zippering, Roland has confirmed me that the R-07 units has an error in the firmware. Now I'm waiting news from them about this bug. Please, all users that own one contact with Andrea.fortuna@roland.com for report the incidence.


Roland Supporto Tecnico

Dear Customer, thanks for the information, the problem has been communicated to Roland and I am waiting for news.
The problem could be solved with a further firmware update.
Thanks!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on May 06, 2018, 01:22:30 AM
is there another email because i dont see them saying what you said they said in that quote
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on May 06, 2018, 03:56:30 AM
I tried my R07 for the first time last night with great results. I was open taping The Ike Willis Project

upload that please! ;)

I was given the ok to record, but not upload. That probably will happen but we'll see.


In fact I had forgotten I set the deck to record a second track at lower dB, and that track was very very low. I used AT 853>Naiant Pipsqueak>Roland R07.

can you guess at how many dB lower? we have a lot more room with the modern 24 bit architecture. not really the same animal, but i can record mics straight into my ad2k with no gain stage, it peaks at like -30 but is clean as a whistle when normalized. Far cry from the days of having to pound the levels on a 16 bit DAT or *gasp* cassette. I would guess the safety  track would be 12-20 dB down? I wonder if there is a lot of quantization noise when running a 16-bit safety track?

also for those who didnt know, you are limited to 48K in safety mode, you cant use 88 or 96K with this feature


According to the manual it is approximately 20dB lower. I record at 24/48, so I am fine with the dual track. I boosted the lower track just to give a listen and heard no difference in quality from the original track. I never thought about it, but it's a nice feature for those shows that start way louder than expected.


Because as stated above I was open taping using the MixPre6 with 3 sets of mics, I made sure to move levels and play around. I controlled the deck mainly from my phone to get a feel for that. I changed levels quite a bit and had no zipper effect at all. Maybe this was due to the very loud volume, but nothing audible at all.

so was this like some experimental test using line out of mixpre to the R07?

No, the MixPre recording was what I used to record the show. The AT853>Pipsqueak>R07 was totally separate and I just took the opportunity to test it fully where I didn't have to worry about looking at it or having it visible.


I had no trouble at all with the Bluetooth, but I believe that it is meant to be used a certain way. If you lock the deck (on the deck with the power button in lock position) which I did, the remote from the phone will still control the levels as well as record, stop, start and all. After doing whatever I need to do, I either close the app or move off the app to texting camera or whatever, so I do not accidentally hit stop or change levels. At this point the app releases the deck and I think that is a protective measure. If I want to check levels later or make changes later on, I press the app and a search button appears, I press that button, the deck appears, I press that and it instantly connects, I hit the go back arrow and have functionality once again. It all takes just a few seconds. In my usage last night I thought that was great for my intended use, because I can stuff the deck and Pipsqueak or my UGLY into my pocket locked and use my phone to make changes without any fear of shoving the phone in my pocket and screwing anything up. It felt to me as if this was thought through in the design to allow the best usage and protection with the remote control by phone.

we should ask them to add a lock button/swipe to the app that might be useful?

I like it just fine as is, but others may want a lock button.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 06, 2018, 05:14:05 PM
is there another email because i dont see them saying what you said they said in that quote

Where do you want to see that?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: symon on May 06, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
Just to add my experiences. I've had the R-07 for a few weeks now, and have taped in a number of different situations. As a quick bit of background, I haven't taped any shows for years (previously taping to DAT), but started again after getting relatively good tapes through my iPhone. So, using the R-07's internal mics is definitely a step up from the iPhone. I've also taped a few shows using the Roland CS-10EM in ear microphones. These are ok for quiet gigs, but they completely flaked out when faced with Gomez (heavy bass drum sound). However, this weekend I finally got my new CA14 cardioids and 9200 preamp. Gave them their first try tonight and I'm impressed with everything. The mics and recorder coped with Dizraeli and Moon Hooch, and some of the loudest and deepest bass sounds I've heard in a long while. I could feel my scalp moving! So, with a decent set of mics, big thumbs up. And, you know, as a basic recorder using just its internal mics, not bad - better than an iPhone.

The biggest plus for me is the bluetooth connection to my phone. I rarely have problems with it and I really appreciate being able to control the recorder without having to get it out of my pocket.

So, after the Gomez gig I was a bit worried that i'd bought a lemon. But, I'm very pleased now. It's a great recorder.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on May 06, 2018, 07:27:22 PM
is there another email because i dont see them saying what you said they said in that quote

Where do you want to see that?

im just saying if thats the email i dont see them admitting there is a firmware error, looks more like "thanks for the feedback i will pass along the message"
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: akrabu on May 07, 2018, 02:03:32 PM
Can anybody explain how the hybrid limiter works?  Do you have to switch on the limiter?  Or do you just need 2xWAV on?  Or are both necessary?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 07, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
Here you can hear the different stages of the gain increment in the R-07.. I'm increasing the input gain to 100.

https://instaud.io/29f6
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 08, 2018, 09:57:40 AM
Roland Supporto Tecnico
11:33 (hace 4 horas)

Dear customer, I received e-mail from Roland (Japan), for the "zipper noise" problem in the Roland R07:
---------------------------------------------------
Hi Andrea,
The development team are aware of this and do not consider it to be fault.
Just reading the R-07 reference guide and it actually mentions the following:

(https://image.ibb.co/hwt8b7/unnamed.png)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for collaboration.
Best regards
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: MakersMarc on May 08, 2018, 11:41:09 AM
 :zoomie1:

Fisher meet Price.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on May 08, 2018, 03:04:30 PM
Roland Supporto Tecnico
11:33 (hace 4 horas)

Dear customer, I received e-mail from Roland (Japan), for the "zipper noise" problem in the Roland R07:
---------------------------------------------------
Hi Andrea,
The development team are aware of this and do not consider it to be fault.
Just reading the R-07 reference guide and it actually mentions the following:

(https://image.ibb.co/hwt8b7/unnamed.png)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for collaboration.
Best regards

haha classic
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: rigpimp on May 08, 2018, 04:23:18 PM
Roland Supporto Tecnico
11:33 (hace 4 horas)

Dear customer, I received e-mail from Roland (Japan), for the "zipper noise" problem in the Roland R07:
---------------------------------------------------
Hi Andrea,
The development team are aware of this and do not consider it to be fault.
Just reading the R-07 reference guide and it actually mentions the following:

(https://image.ibb.co/hwt8b7/unnamed.png)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for collaboration.
Best regards

haha classic

Its not a malfunction, it is supposed to sound like a zipper?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: heathen on May 08, 2018, 04:26:10 PM
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: rigpimp on May 08, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

The "just-stop-your-recording-to-adjust-your-levels-and-the-band-will-wait-until-you're-ready" feature!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: robeti on May 08, 2018, 05:17:55 PM
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

The "just-stop-your-recording-to-adjust-your-levels-and-the-band-will-wait-until-your-ready" feature!

 :yack:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on May 08, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

The "just-stop-your-recording-to-adjust-your-levels-and-the-band-will-wait-until-your-ready" feature!

 :yack:

I have tried moving the gain during noisy and quiet concert moments recording at 24/48 and have not had the effect kick in. Maybe it is only at certain settings. It is unlikely it'll be heard if there is any source noise happening, but time will tell as more people use the deck. I prefer this over the "gain in one direction only" feature on the Zoom F1, but that Zoom is really small...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: rodeen on May 08, 2018, 07:25:13 PM
Could the noise be getting picked up when using the internal mics?  External mics might not be susceptible?
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 08, 2018, 07:37:46 PM
Ah yes, the old "it's not a bug it's a feature."

hahahaha, sad but really funny.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on May 09, 2018, 02:29:11 PM
Could the noise be getting picked up when using the internal mics?  External mics might not be susceptible?
That may be the case. I've been recording at 24/48 with CA 11 and AT853 into Naiant Pipsqueak or CA UGLY and have not had any noise. We'll learn more as more people use the deck on different settings.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: willndmb on May 13, 2018, 11:48:57 AM
Lol
So you might hear it or you might not.
If you hear it does that mean your ears are at a malfunction level or does that mean they are still excellent?
Really confusing
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: nulldogmas on May 13, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
Lol
So you might hear it or you might not.
If you hear it does that mean your ears are at a malfunction level or does that mean they are still excellent?
Really confusing

I only hear it when using my internal ears, not when using my external ones.

Oh wait, wrong thread...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: mjwin on May 13, 2018, 02:11:46 PM
Just a thought from an engineering perspective. In my experience designing electronic gear using digital gain controls, glitches or spikes at the stepping points (zipper noise) are often exacerbated by any DC offset in the system. By that, I mean a small fixed voltage which is always present in addition to the varying AC voltage signal. The actual offset is generally very small (so isn't enough to cause any harm such as asymmetrical clipping for example). It can vary from device to device and is generally due to internal component tolerances so is difficult to characterize.  In higher spec equipment, the DC is generally nulled out, either automatically or via adjustments in the test phase, but this is probably not cost effective with tiny devices like the R7. So I would guess that that some R7s , or some batches, produce more audible zipper noise than others.

Not that any of this helps anyone who's experiencing the problem!  But it might explain the variation which people are reporting here...
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 13, 2018, 08:22:01 PM
Another review from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Roland-R-07-RD-Resolution-Handheld-Recorder/dp/B079P9QSXM/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

As a long time user of the Roland R-05 I was excited for the R-07 as it appeared to be a better version with more features. Having used the R-07 for a number of days now and tinkering with settings and a couple of different MicroSD cards I am ready to share some of my thoughts. If you have an R-05 then you probably don't need this unit unless you want something lighter that allows the use of a remote and a much more obvious standby and recording light display. That said, there are some negatives with this new unit that you should be made aware of. The feature I was most looking forward to was USB bus power. No more batteries while recording at home was very promising. But it wasn't to be. Every single time I plugged the cable(s) in to run the R-07 on bus power it also recorded a terrible clicking sound. This does not happen when using batteries to power the device. Yes, using bus power means that your recordings will be useless. Also, despite changing different settings, I could never seem to get transfer speeds from the R-07 to my computer to speed up to those I get with my R-05. The difference? The R-7 would transfer files at around 700kb/s while the R-05 transfers files at 2MB/s. In layman's terms, that means that files transfer to my computer more than twice as fast with the R-05. How does this new recorder get two stars instead of five? By feeling like a step back in some ways that it shouldn't. Perhaps if they release an update to fix these issues it might be worth picking up, but until then I would say it either wasn't ready for release, not properly tested, or it is a bit of a dud. I contacted Roland hoping to find some solutions or at least get some answers or provide feedback but they never answered my calls or called me back. I may just have to return this.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 13, 2018, 08:31:30 PM
How about Olympus LS-P4?

Somebody has able to compare Olympus LS-P4 vs Roland R-07 in terms of internal mics (built-in mics)?

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: AndCycle on May 14, 2018, 05:39:41 PM
How about Olympus LS-P4?

Somebody has able to compare Olympus LS-P4 vs Roland R-07 in terms of internal mics (built-in mics)?

I do own a LS-P2 but I just broke my fresh Roland R-07 built-in mics before any comparison,
now my R-07 have around 6db difference of it's left and right channel, well.... :banging head:
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 14, 2018, 06:36:24 PM
How about Olympus LS-P4?

Somebody has able to compare Olympus LS-P4 vs Roland R-07 in terms of internal mics (built-in mics)?

I do own a LS-P2 but I just broke my fresh Roland R-07 built-in mics before any comparison,
now my R-07 have around 6db difference of it's left and right channel, well.... :banging head:

I'm sorry to hear that! Thanks for the response anyways!
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: Ozpeter on May 15, 2018, 10:07:01 PM
How did the mics get damaged?  A drop perhaps?  Anyway, sorry to hear that.

"Every single time I plugged the cable(s) in to run the R-07 on bus power it also recorded a terrible clicking sound." - I wonder what the power source was, and whether the reviewer tried a few before deciding there was a problem.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: AndCycle on May 16, 2018, 05:51:28 AM
How did the mics get damaged?  A drop perhaps?  Anyway, sorry to hear that.

"Every single time I plugged the cable(s) in to run the R-07 on bus power it also recorded a terrible clicking sound." - I wonder what the power source was, and whether the reviewer tried a few before deciding there was a problem.

no drop in my sight, I carry gear with soft case package around each item,
the possible cause is testing it under high volume condition for hours as I compare it with Olympus LS-10/LS-11 which I original intend to replace.

usually I just preset audio gear then left them on their own because I have to do camera work,
as I am new to how R-07 is perform so I do test different manual setting to verify how it respond,

one of my old LS-11 have same issue, it do have plenty of scar on it because it's been knocked down a few times,
now I can confirm without proper setting and unattended for a long time could damaged mic or the circuit under high volume.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: KenOrwell on May 21, 2018, 03:19:10 PM
At last I made a return. A lot of problems and seems to be not ready to the market.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: edtyre on May 22, 2018, 02:50:17 PM
Just got my hands on an r7 and after playing around with it at home
for a day or two i have my own observations and opinions. I have not tested in the field
and i will do that on thurs, so expect a follow-up after that. I read what others have
posted, but i am stealth most of the time, so this has a lot of interest to me and decided
to test it out.

It's case is entirely plastic, the whole back of the unit is rubberized. The feel in
your hand is better than r5. I'd say better for metal detection :-) It's lighter and
a tiny bit thicker than r5.

I didn't RTFM, but can't find a way to shut off the recording lights? If we can get into
service mode maybe they can be shut off. This is the reason almost everyone i know won't
consider one. Look at my pics, i'm doing recording over bluetooth remote control from my
iphone 8 app. No lights, because they are gaff taped. Yeh man, i'm a taper and i put
tape on anything.

I found that turning on the unit with bluetooth on, then launching the r7 app, then
searching for BT connection, then selecting the r7 connects me everytime and stays
connected. While i'm remote controlling the gain shown on the phone app exactly mirrors
the gain on the unit itself.

Locking with the hold switch on the unit does not lock the app control!!

I really don't need the tape, because i'll start up the unit and BT,
then never take it out of my pocket until i'm in my car on the way home.
Or..keep the tape on lock it after setting levels and not use the phone app
(adds one more link in the chain for something to go wrong) kiss
I had more tape holding things in place on my m-10, than this :-)


Oh...it works with up to 32 gig cards, when i format a 64 gig card i only get 32 gigs of recording available.

I'll save the rest until after i can post a good sample,
then we can have something to talk about.


Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: adrianb on May 22, 2018, 03:10:59 PM
Thanks for the initial review.

A lot of the early reviews have been negative, but I've still got one on order. It's only the stealth possibilities that I'm interested so look forward to reading your opinion after Thursday.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: dallman on May 22, 2018, 04:08:28 PM
Thanks for the initial review.

A lot of the early reviews have been negative, but I've still got one on order. It's only the stealth possibilities that I'm interested so look forward to reading your opinion after Thursday.
If you look over this thread, the reviews from people who have recorded for a while and have some experience have been positive. Most of the negative comments have been from people speculating what  the deck will or will not be able to do, or from people who have limited experience working a deck. Additionally some reviews are from 3rd parties and who knows what their experience is. For me thus far and it has only been a few outings, the deck handles like my R05 but with the addition of a safety track and a remote function.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: adrianb on May 22, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
If you look over this thread, the reviews from people who have recorded for a while and have some experience have been positive. Most of the negative comments have been from people speculating what  the deck will or will not be able to do, or from people who have limited experience working a deck. Additionally some reviews are from 3rd parties and who knows what their experience is. For me thus far and it has only been a few outings, the deck handles like my R05 but with the addition of a safety track and a remote function.

Agreed, and your comments are mainly why I ordered.
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: sos on May 22, 2018, 08:10:26 PM
Decided to keep mine, and after overcoming my earlier Bluetooth linking issues, my remaining concerns were, will the 'zippering' be a factor? (answer: no); and crucially, will this be able to handle a line level signal (read on)...

Although I'm now able to couple my phone, the range is weaker than I'd hoped (probably 20', max). This will certainly not be a factor when stealthing, but my hopes of remotely controlling a laid down unit (at a sbd) from considerably further away, are probably dashed. I've noticed the range is somewhat better using my Wingman app, but at least this Roland app can perform level adjustments. Hellooo, SD?? <I digress> But, the primary reason I bought this unit (remote controlling from a phone, close range) is now working to my complete satisfaction...

I ran this deck twice this past weekend, both loud blues shows, and both times using it as a "backup" sbd recorder. I split the feed and ran one pair into the R-07. Between the console and the deck, I placed an 18db attenuator. For the show sample (included below) I also ran the "2xWAV-24bit" option, which puts the safety track into play (great feature, for extra peace of mind). The level selector on the deck wound up between 42-45 (out of 100) at both shows, and peaks were in the -12 to -6 range. The resulting wav files both looked and sounded completely normal.

Good luck Th, Ed!

Carry on...

Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: edtyre on May 22, 2018, 09:13:23 PM
Thanks sos and dallman. The manual says 30 ft range on the BT. With my Wingman app i saw my levels were high and had to run
80 ft back to my rig to ACTUALLY turn the gain down, not exactly great, but hey it can start and stop and re-name tracks :-) (MP3)
Title: Re: New Roland R-07 (the best successor to Roland R-05 and Sony M10?)
Post by: jerryfreak on May 22, 2018, 10:45:02 PM
If you look over this thread, the reviews from people who have recorded for a while and have some experience have been positive. Most of the negative comments have been from people speculating what  the deck will or will not be able to do, or from people who have limited experience working a deck. Additionally some reviews are from 3rd parties and who knows what their experience is. For me thus far and it has only been a few outings, the deck handles like my R05 but with the addition of a safety track and a remote function.

Agreed, and your comments are mainly why I ordered.

i just bought a second one