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Title: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: F0CKER on January 08, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
I’m in the process of moving my masters to g drive for backup. Curious if anyone else foes the same and if you have any concerns about this solution? I feel comfortable my files will be protected and backed up so I’t need to worry about drive failures anymore. Is there anything that concerns you about this solution I should be thinking about - outside of the annual fee?

Also, thought it would he cool if we could open our collections to others with view / read access. I’d be willing to share mine. I haven’t moved everything yet but in the process now
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: ilduclo on January 08, 2020, 09:31:56 AM
A friend has done that big time, thousands of hours of music he now accesses from phone. He swears by it, but damn, it must have taken an awful lot of work
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: jerryfreak on January 08, 2020, 10:02:38 AM
A friend has done that big time, thousands of hours of music he now accesses from phone. He swears by it, but damn, it must have taken an awful lot of work

google music is different than google drive

google music will scan an entire drive automatically and convert flacs to 320CBR and tag them and upload them to the cloud. 100000 tracks for free, buying the service only gives you access to their catalog (spotify style)

google drive is good for all kinds of files, i have a 2TB that i pay $10 a month for. you can stream mp3s and flacs from there as well, but it isnt as user friendly, more like one track a time, doesnt do playlists well
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: JayBTV on January 08, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
I use Google Drive.  Actually GSuite (The business version).  $12 a month for unlimited data storage.  All I needed to do was register a domain w/ google ($12 a year) and then unlimited for $12 a month.  Rocks w/ fiber 1GB/s up no-cap, but I'm lucky to have that available in my apartment.

There's a great Reddit group here https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ - ( that has tons of threads on cloud options / RClone (archives to GDrive/etc) / encryption options / etc

Jerry> BTW I'm the guy who PMed you yesterday on PT about DMB tapes. 
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: jerryfreak on January 08, 2020, 12:11:25 PM
I use Google Drive.  Actually GSuite (The business version).  $12 a month for unlimited data storage.

cant beat that....

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Chrisedge on January 08, 2020, 01:47:30 PM
I have 12TB backed up through Backblaze. I think it is/was around $50-$60 a year.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: F0CKER on January 08, 2020, 02:40:56 PM
A friend has done that big time, thousands of hours of music he now accesses from phone. He swears by it, but damn, it must have taken an awful lot of work

google music is different than google drive

google music will scan an entire drive automatically and convert flacs to 320CBR and tag them and upload them to the cloud. 100000 tracks for free, buying the service only gives you access to their catalog (spotify style)

google drive is good for all kinds of files, i have a 2TB that i pay $10 a month for. you can stream mp3s and flacs from there as well, but it isnt as user friendly, more like one track a time, doesnt do playlists well

I’m using an app called cloudbeats that reads google drive and lets me manage and play my music stored there. Seems to work well, reads tags, etc.

Thanks for the responses. For some reason im hesitant to delete my files after ive uploaded them to google drive. Lol i need someone to talk me off the ledge and tell me they will all be safe there forever
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: perks on January 08, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
I'd be thinking about what your contingency plans are if (god forbid) G-Drive has an issue, or you get hacked, or whatever making the file copies in the cloud unattainable/unusable. How will you restore the data you kept at Google?

For this reason, in 2020, I continue to make and store a copy of the data files burned to a DVD as one of the three + redundancies attempting to keep my recordings around for as long as I can.

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: GroundHog420 on January 08, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
What he said. Actually, perks, you beat me to it, almost exactly what I was I was about to type, until I saw your post.

Honestly, I don't believe there is a hosting solution on the planet (or in the "cloud") that can't be compromised; or fall victim to the same types of attacks as a localized server. Redundant arrays are only a stopgap security measure, if an entire network becomes crippled.
That's not paranoia, but just a pragmatic outlook.

In particular, I can think of plenty of reasons why hackers, etc, might feel inclined to stick it to Google, given that entity's propensity for paving the way in data mining, so if folks want to keep their data on G-Drive, I seriously hope that it is kept somewhere safe at home at the same time. Just sayin'.

Personally, I'm still a big fan of using data discs as one form of backup, because in a worst-case scenario, it might be easier to stomach the loss of 4.7GB worth of data, as opposed to 1TB (or more).

Having said that, I'm a tad regretful that a while back when I learned the JVC TY DVD discs were being discontinued, I didn't stock up on *more* of them than I did, as it seems a number of counterfeiters have been infiltrating the market with inferior knock-offs that claim to be Powered by TY Technology, or what have you. I've recently picked up a few various brands making this claim (including *some* which were branded CMC Pro), which turned out to be fakes. So... that's a thing now.

My 2¢ worth. YMMV. Peace out.

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I'd be thinking about what your contingency plans are if (god forbid) G-Drive has an issue, or you get hacked, or whatever making the file copies in the cloud unattainable/unusable. How will you restore the data you kept at Google?

For this reason, in 2020, I continue to make and store a copy of the data files burned to a DVD as one of the three + redundancies attempting to keep my recordings around for as long as I can.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on January 08, 2020, 04:48:48 PM
I have 12TB backed up through Backblaze. I think it is/was around $50-$60 a year.

How long did that take to backup?

I have about 11 TB of data on a NAS. I have a backup that runs nightly to another NAS at my brothers house, but I've considered doing the online route too.

I really wish my job would let me leave the NAS hooked up to the network for a few hours. We have a 40 Gig connection. Shouldn't take long at all. I have a 100M connection at home. I think it would take WEEKS to transfer that much data and I have a 1TB cap, so technically it would take over a year to finish it all.

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: F0CKER on January 08, 2020, 04:57:15 PM
What he said. Actually, perks, you beat me to it, almost exactly what I was I was about to type, until I saw your post.

Honestly, I don't believe there is a hosting solution on the planet (or in the "cloud") that can't be compromised; or fall victim to the same types of attacks as a localized server. Redundant arrays are only a stopgap security measure, if an entire network becomes crippled.
That's not paranoia, but just a pragmatic outlook.

In particular, I can think of plenty of reasons why hackers, etc, might feel inclined to stick it to Google, given that entity's propensity for paving the way in data mining, so if folks want to keep their data on G-Drive, I seriously hope that it is kept somewhere safe at home at the same time. Just sayin'.

Personally, I'm still a big fan of using data discs as one form of backup, because in a worst-case scenario, it might be easier to stomach the loss of 4.7GB worth of data, as opposed to 1TB (or more).

Having said that, I'm a tad regretful that a while back when I learned the JVC TY DVD discs were being discontinued, I didn't stock up on *more* of them than I did, as it seems a number of counterfeiters have been infiltrating the market with inferior knock-offs that claim to be Powered by TY Technology, or what have you. I've recently picked up a few various brands making this claim (including *some* which were branded CMC Pro), which turned out to be fakes. So... that's a thing now.

My 2¢ worth. YMMV. Peace out.

 - - - -

I'd be thinking about what your contingency plans are if (god forbid) G-Drive has an issue, or you get hacked, or whatever making the file copies in the cloud unattainable/unusable. How will you restore the data you kept at Google?

For this reason, in 2020, I continue to make and store a copy of the data files burned to a DVD as one of the three + redundancies attempting to keep my recordings around for as long as I can.

I was debating a g-drive -> aws synch solution as well. I agree wholeheartedly on the risk and need for redundancy.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: jerryfreak on January 08, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
how much of these collections are duplicated? we should chip in for a 20TB slot and upload all our stuff there
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: morst on January 09, 2020, 03:14:44 AM
how much of these collections are duplicated? we should chip in for a 20TB slot and upload all our stuff there
Why? Because then it is safe forever?
What if we go back to "Tape tree" style "vines" but send around a large drive full of FLAC folders?
My BitTorrent directory is about 1.5 TB and that does NOT include most of my mastered file sets but mostly a bunch of assorted downloads I might enjoy.
My "completed audio" folders are between 30-70GB per year the past few. Total about 1TB over the past 12 years or so.


Are we ready to really contemplate the size of our collective data set?


I keep masters and completed items, as well as raw mixes (sbd + aud for instance) and mastered mixes (gain + limited versions of the raw mixes, to be tracked out but still including heads & tails.)

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: TheMetalist on January 09, 2020, 10:25:14 AM
How safe is it to store stealth recordings on Google Drive, Backblaze or whatever? How much do they care about their users integrity? Is it possible for artists and labels to use some algorithm to find illegally recorded music or videos? Didn't Megaupload and other cloud services have a lot of problems in the past with users sharing illegal things in their clouds? Is it safer nowadays?

I'm considering this route as well but I'm a bit afraid it will bite me in the end.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: edtyre on January 09, 2020, 10:26:01 AM
I’m worried about storing anything online.
I have three copies of my archives, when I add something
software automatically copies to my other two archives.

Once in a while (2 in last 6 years) I replace a drive and copy it.
My 2 cents
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: jerryfreak on January 09, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
100% safe if you dont share it
99% safe even if you do.


How safe is it to store stealth recordings on Google Drive, Backblaze or whatever? How much do they care about their users integrity? Is it possible for artists and labels to use some algorithm to find illegally recorded music or videos? Didn't Megaupload and other cloud services have a lot of problems in the past with users sharing illegal things in their clouds? Is it safer nowadays?

I'm considering this route as well but I'm a bit afraid it will bite me in the end.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: GroundHog420 on January 09, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
Good morning! I just want to underline that it wasn't my intention to cause *worry*, but to follow on the heels of what perks said, and really try to provide some food for thought about the whole "cloud" thing. Yes, I do think that safety is something to think about. Then again, I live in a place where self-righteous (some might even say arrogant) pedestrians walk out into traffic hundreds of times a day, without even taking the extra second to look both ways before crossing; safe in the self-presumed knowledge that motor vehicle drivers will absolutely have to always do the right thing and allow them to cross, because *The Law* demands it. Sure, if the driver can brake in time. Or, if the brakes are in good working order, for that matter. Or if the driver isn't busy looking at their phone, just like the pedestrian is. See, so many thinks to take into consideration. And let's just say the pedestrian gets hit, regardless of who is really at fault - is a settlement going to really make the pedestrian feel better, or give them back their quality of life? Okay, I'm rambling on a tangent, but that particular tangent is something I've been dealing with for more than twenty years now, except in my case the driver really was at fault, and the settlement didn't even begin to cover all the problems that still continue to come up.

But let's say we go back to the story of the files in the cloud. Maybe it's safe, maybe not. Let's forget about that question for a moment and think about other possibilities. What if one day a new law is passed and the hosting provider is required to vet the kind of things their customers are storing on their cloud servers. Kind of like mandatory cookies for clouds. Or let's say the Terms Of Service change in a way that users may not agree with (does anyone really even read all that stuff?). Or the fees keeping going up. None of those things are too far-fetched, really.

Look, I'm as much of a techhie nerd as anyone else in this here tribe, and that having been said, the concept of cloud storage is really kind of a remarkable thing. Like so many other components of web and audio science we all deal with in this wacky taping universe of ours. But just like everything else in this realm, the game is constantly changing, and generally, at a pace many of us can barely keep up with, which is one reason we are all still asking questions that quite possibly could have been answered by the creators of these gadgets before they thrust them in front of us to make us all giddy and excited about their uncharted potential. Maybe those guys don't even have the answers themselves. Maybe they expect us to be the ongoing beta testers for their crazy new schemes and devices. If that's the case, I'm just saying that we really do need to grab the reins and slow it down just a second so we have a reasonable opportunity to think everything through, before we end up doing something we might later regret.

Done rambling for the moment. I guess that's what happens when I just start typing first thing in the morning when I haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet.
Peace out, y'all.

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How safe is it to store stealth recordings on Google Drive, Backblaze or whatever? How much do they care about their users integrity? Is it possible for artists and labels to use some algorithm to find illegally recorded music or videos? Didn't Megaupload and other cloud services have a lot of problems in the past with users sharing illegal things in their clouds? Is it safer nowadays?

I'm considering this route as well but I'm a bit afraid it will bite me in the end.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: morst on January 09, 2020, 03:55:24 PM
100% safe if you dont share it
99% safe even if you do.
I have to say I think you pulled these numbers out of the air.
What if a cloud server was configured incorrectly? It's happened.
https://gizmodo.com/company-leaves-752-00-birth-certificate-copy-applicatio-1840330419
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Chrisedge on January 09, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
I have 12TB backed up through Backblaze. I think it is/was around $50-$60 a year.

How long did that take to backup?

I have about 11 TB of data on a NAS. I have a backup that runs nightly to another NAS at my brothers house, but I've considered doing the online route too.

I really wish my job would let me leave the NAS hooked up to the network for a few hours. We have a 40 Gig connection. Shouldn't take long at all. I have a 100M connection at home. I think it would take WEEKS to transfer that much data and I have a 1TB cap, so technically it would take over a year to finish it all.

Well, they don't allow cloud backups of NAS devices. It has to be a drive in a computer (basically). It took months to back it all up. And I started with 6-7 TB. There might have been something wrong in a setting (I don't think so) but it took forever. There is a decent backblaze sub on reddit for Q&A.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: TheMetalist on January 10, 2020, 05:14:36 AM
About security. I use Dropbox. Some years ago they had a leak which caused thousands of e-mails and passwords to get out to the public, including mine. I had no clue about this leak until I used another service to test if my e-mail is safe. Which it wasn't because of Dropbox.

I have no doubt this can happen to other services as well. Including Google.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: guitard on January 10, 2020, 09:45:03 AM
My "completed audio" folders are between 30-70GB per year the past few. Total about 1TB over the past 12 years or so.

Are we ready to really contemplate the size of our collective data set?


I tape audio and shoot video.  For the last year, I've been shooting video in 4K.  A well-filmed shot in 4K is such a thing of beauty.  But it also clocks in at around 40GBs per hour.  I've come home from a single show where I shot two bands and had 125GBs of video and audio to archive.  I hit three shows in three nights just before Christmas and that was a total of 223GBs.

I really love this high quality video.  And it just continues to get better AND bigger.  8K video is coming ... I'm both excited (for the quality) and scared (for the size) at the same time.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: daspyknows on January 10, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
About security. I use Dropbox. Some years ago they had a leak which caused thousands of e-mails and passwords to get out to the public, including mine. I had no clue about this leak until I used another service to test if my e-mail is safe. Which it wasn't because of Dropbox.

I have no doubt this can happen to other services as well. Including Google.

This can AND WILL happen to other sites regardless whether its cloud storage or e-commerce.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: jerryfreak on January 10, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
100% safe if you dont share it
99% safe even if you do.
I have to say I think you pulled these numbers out of the air.

sort of. i was specifically talking about liability for copyrighted works parked on a cloud account

i have heard of 0.0% people having issues with things not publicly shared
and just a rare handful of people having issues for things that are shared, thru p2p etc
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: DSatz on January 15, 2020, 09:07:34 AM
I just want to say that I appreciate this discussion, which I'm learning useful things from.

In the 1970s I recorded many hundreds of hours of documentary material on cassettes; to me, it's the most useful and important thing I've been able to do in my life. I transferred those recordings to CD-Rs when that technology became available, and have been keeping it on CD-R and then DVD-R ever since, in multiple copies in case of accidents or bad media. I've sent copies to friends in other countries, and where appropriate, donated copies of certain subsets to academic or institutional archives. I figured that duplication was the best way to increase the odds of preservation.

In the past few weeks I've started transferring the material to portable SSDs and--once everything was verified and backed up in multiple copies--letting go of the CD-Rs. It's a strange feeling to go from "this is the stuff that I'm the most protective of" to putting it out in the trash overnight, but I'm due to turn 70 next month, I'm living alone after my recent divorce, and I don't want to leave behind three storage rooms full of stuff that no one knows about or has any idea what to do with.

The fact that my life's main accomplishment, which used to require an entire tall set of IKEA shelves to house, now will fit easily in someone's shirt pocket (or be able to get lost between the couch cushions, or get carried away by a family pet as a chew toy) is a little eerie, but I'm pretty sure it's the right thing for me to be doing at this point. And it's fun duplicating this stuff at up to 300 MB/second.

Incidentally, the CD-Rs and DVD-Rs held up remarkably well after decades of storage. In retrospect I overdid it with making redundant copies--but no regrets; I would certainly rather be saying that than the opposite.

--best regards

P.S.: My sympathies to the people here who are dealing with high-resolution video rather than audio. It will probably be a few more decades before physical storage technology catches up with your needs--and in the meantime, who knows what all you'll have recorded ...
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: guitard on January 15, 2020, 10:54:56 AM
I don't want to leave behind three storage rooms full of stuff that no one knows about or has any idea what to do with or gives a shit about.

FTFY.

When that day eventually comes ... and my kids and grand kids (and great grand kids?) are digging through grandpa's 'stuff' to see what's worth keeping and what needs to go to the dump ... I'm about 99.999% sure that the music collection, to include all my master vids and audios ... is going to met with 'what the fuck are these' frowns ... and a few seconds later will get tossed into the "throw it away" pile.

But who knows ... maybe ... just maybe ... one of the grand kids will say, "Wait!  Don't throw those hard drives away.  We can wipe them and re-use them!"

And my legacy will be several re-purposed hard drives ... that they will probably all scoff at because, "Who the heck needs a bunch of old 100TB hard drives?  They barely hold any data."
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: live2cd on January 15, 2020, 06:00:35 PM
Quote

When that day eventually comes ... and my kids and grand kids (and great grand kids?) are digging through grandpa's 'stuff' to see what's worth keeping and what needs to go to the dump ... I'm about 99.999% sure that the music collection, to include all my master vids and audios ... is going to met with 'what the fuck are these' frowns ... and a few seconds later will get tossed into the "throw it away" pile.

:lol: :lol:aint this the truth.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: furburger on January 19, 2020, 03:17:28 AM
3 10TB Seagates on Black Friday: $480 shipped


why on earth anyone would *want* to introduce a "middleman" to aid in the preservation of their files is beyond me.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: TheMetalist on January 19, 2020, 05:53:39 AM
3 10TB Seagates on Black Friday: $480 shipped


why on earth anyone would *want* to introduce a "middleman" to aid in the preservation of their files is beyond me.

Seagate are known to be unreliable. Use Western Digital if you are going that route.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Dan33185 on January 20, 2020, 10:46:12 AM
3 10TB Seagates on Black Friday: $480 shipped


why on earth anyone would *want* to introduce a "middleman" to aid in the preservation of their files is beyond me.

Seagate are known to be unreliable. Use Western Digital if you are going that route.

I've had Seagate HD's for years (external and internal), haven't had one fail (yet). All brands of hard drives have bad batches and failures, just the luck of the draw sometimes.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: DSatz on January 26, 2020, 12:42:58 AM
TheMetalist, as it happens, I've had the exact opposite experience personally: two WD failures out of maybe half a dozen, and no Seagate failures ever out of more than twenty. And I have "heard" that WD drives are known to be unreliable.

--If you live in a state that has a lottery, it can be instructive sometimes to stand in line near where people are buying tickets for it. If a lottery is fair, it Does. Not. Matter. which numbers you pick; each is equally as [un]likely to win as any other. Nonetheless, people care a lot whether the person behind the counter hears and follows their requests. It never seems to occur to anyone that if the ticket seller gets their number wrong, that mistake could be EXACTLY what it takes for them to win a million dollars.

It's equally interesting to hear what people say when they don't win--they often act as if they'd made a mistake from which they can usefully learn something. "I should have trusted my first impulse" for example. Along those lines, the only reason I avoid WD drives nowadays is that if another WD drive were to fail after the experiences I've had, I would probably feel worse personally than if a Seagate drive failed, because of my having ignored my impulse to avoid WD drives. President George W. Bush said it best: "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

(By the way, I use a whole lot of SanDisk products with no worries--and SanDisk is owned by Western Digital.)

--best regards
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: if_then_else on January 26, 2020, 03:30:45 AM
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-stats-for-2018/
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: TheMetalist on January 26, 2020, 04:20:55 AM
I've had Seagate HD's for years (external and internal), haven't had one fail (yet). All brands of hard drives have bad batches and failures, just the luck of the draw sometimes.
TheMetalist, as it happens, I've had the exact opposite experience personally: two WD failures out of maybe half a dozen, and no Seagate failures ever out of more than twenty. And I have "heard" that WD drives are known to be unreliable.

I'm happy you guys have great a experience with your Seagate discs. I've had a lot of bad experience with them in the past and they only had 2 years warranty vs. WD's 3-5 years (depending on disc type) which says something. At least to me. They were cheaper and you get what you pay for, as always. They also had a lot of failures in general looking at tests, reviews and comparisons. Seems like they may have stepped up and it's not unlikely I will go that route for my next drive purchase. Thanks for your input on this.  :)

https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html

Looking at the Lifetime Hard Drive Stats through Q3 2019 the annulized failure rates are:

HGST (owned by WD): 0.47-0.80 %
Seagate: 0.57-2.67%
Toshiba: 0.74-0.81%

Which confirms that Seagate has a higher failure rate but it's not THAT bad which is great.  :coolguy:
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: morst on January 26, 2020, 03:52:39 PM
TheMetalist, as it happens, I've had the exact opposite experience personally: two WD failures out of maybe half a dozen, and no Seagate failures ever out of more than twenty. And I have "heard" that WD drives are known to be unreliable.
MANY MANY MANY years ago, before you could say that I "collect" hard drives, I had heard that WD were unreliable, so I used Seagate as my main drives when I was first expanding capacity (2001 I bought a 2Gb PATA drive for $109 and was stoked). Finally around 2008-2009 I had a seagate 2Tb or 3Tb drive or two fail gently on me (I could copy all the data off before they pooped out) but the result was that I switched over to WD.


I experimented around 2010 with WD dual-drive external cases that made RAID stripes inside, and they were not good, although I was buying refurbs off Ebay, so I can't exactly say that it was build quality.


Now ten years later, I finally had a WD drive soft fail on me. One of the BB Easystore 8TB drives. They only have a 2-year warranty, and I also believe the length of warranty is proportional to the company's belief in the quality of their own product. But the RMA process was smooth and now I have a drive which says "re-certified in Vietnam"


As for flash memory, I've had failures on SD cards from Transcend (~2008), Adata (2010)  and Sound Devices (2018, 2019) but no issues with Sandisk or Kingston (or Sony or lexar) [excluding problems traced directly to the Tascam DR-70D which is extraordinarily picky about requiring approved media!!!]
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: DSatz on January 30, 2020, 05:55:39 AM
My point wasn't that I know which brand is better, but that any given individual, based solely on his or her own experience, is quite likely to reach conclusions that are driven by more or less random variables, while believing that those conclusions have a more general validity than they actually possess. (In other words, typical human decisions.)

--I'm somewhat, but not strongly, persuaded that a longer warranty period indicates a more reliable product. I think the equation has quite a few controlling variables, including the oddly sporadic usage pattern (write once, disconnect for weeks / months / years) of archiving. And in terms of business economics it could be a "self-fulfilling prophecy" to some extent, if a longer warranty period is widely perceived to indicate greater reliability when that is not actually the case--increasing the sales of that product line and allowing the manufacturer to carry some additional costs of defective returns while still keeping it profitable.

There may be several concerns that need considering. Say there's an average time by which a given model of drive accumulates a 1% likelihood of failure; that time will differ for different drive types. But the failures might or might not "avalanche" after that point, such that the drive with the longest life up to its 1% point may also be the drive that reaches a 5% failure likelihood the soonest. It's purely a business decision as to what warranty a manufacturer would offer in such a case if it occurred.

Surely there are cases that go in that direction, even if not to the extent of my evil little thought experiment. I'm sure that the major manufacturers have graduate engineers on staff who spend all their time analyzing and quantifying drive failures, and I'm equally sure that we don't know what those people know. Thus I never trust any one drive (or other physical medium) longer than the minimum time necessary to duplicate its contents onto a backup.

--best regards
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: guitard on January 30, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
My point wasn't that I know which brand is better, but that any given individual, based solely on his or her own experience, is quite likely to reach conclusions that are driven by more or less random variables, while believing that those conclusions have a more general validity than they actually possess. (In other words, typical human decisions.)

I think you just gave the non-dictionary version of the definition for confirmation bias:

The tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or strengthens one's prior personal beliefs or hypotheses.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: DSatz on January 30, 2020, 05:51:45 PM
You only think that because it reinforces your existing concept of confirmation bias.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: F0CKER on January 31, 2020, 04:41:25 PM
You only think that because it reinforces your existing concept of confirmation bias.

😂
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: rigpimp on January 31, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
I have a 60TB NAS that I would like to back up but have run into several hurdles outside of my 1TB Xfinity data cap.  Most services like Backblaze, Crashplan, Dropbox, etc won't allow me to point to a mapped network drive.  Anyone here figured out a workaround?
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Enswearry on February 09, 2020, 04:49:16 AM
I’m in the process of moving my masters to g drive for backup. Curious if anyone else foes the same and if you have any concerns about this solution? I feel comfortable my files will be protected and backed up so I’t need to worry about drive failures anymore. Is there anything that concerns you about this solution I should be thinking about - outside of the annual fee?

Also, thought it would he cool if we could open our collections to others with view / read access. I’d be willing to share mine. I haven’t moved everything yet but in the process now

Yes, I have been using Google drive for storage. For me it has been pretty good experience, all my files are readily available and are accessible to me anywhere I want. I don't think there is any concern.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: rigpimp on August 25, 2020, 09:42:14 PM
How are people getting around the 1TB limit for storage?  Apparently, if I sign up for a business account (GSuite) I only get 1TB of storage.  ??
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: jerryfreak on August 25, 2020, 09:57:24 PM
i have 2TB i think im in at $10 a month

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: aaronji on August 26, 2020, 03:13:21 AM
I have a 60TB NAS that I would like to back up but have run into several hurdles outside of my 1TB Xfinity data cap.  Most services like Backblaze, Crashplan, Dropbox, etc won't allow me to point to a mapped network drive.  Anyone here figured out a workaround?

Maybe try iDrive (https://www.idrive.com)? You can access via the web, add your phone, backup a mapped network drive, etc. 60 TB is a lot, though; I am not sure what they offer in that range... 
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: daspyknows on August 26, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
Hightail is $15/month for unlimited storage. 
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: rigpimp on August 26, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
Hightail is $15/month for unlimited storage.

Does it all live in a space that is easily digestible?  I want something that is a solid cloud back up that I can also share large data from
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: daspyknows on August 26, 2020, 02:45:06 PM
Hightail is $15/month for unlimited storage.

Does it all live in a space that is easily digestible?  I want something that is a solid cloud back up that I can also share large data from

You can set up unlimited spaces.  I have one for my recordings and then a series of others.  Within each space there are searching, sorting and filtering options.  Also individual uploads have their own link.  That's what I generally share and I keep a document with those links (that's what I share weekly).  There is also the ability to transfer directly between some other cloud storage options. 
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: aaronji on August 26, 2020, 03:27:48 PM
Daspyknows, does Hightail do automatic backups or do you have to manually add new files? I went through their webpage and couldn't really find the answer to this.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: daspyknows on August 26, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
I don't think it does automatic backups.  I don't use it that way.  It is more meant for cloud storage. 
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Scooter123 on August 27, 2020, 12:13:58 AM
It can do automatic backups, but  .....

You have to sign on to another service for that software service.  I forget the name of the service they use, might be Carbonite, but tried to use it two years ago and it was terribly slow.  I called customer service, and it is simply not designed to back up large collections like I have, I'm at the 16tb range.  It would take six months to upload all of that with Hightail. 

Instead, I manually use Hightail for cloud storage, storing each show with a discrete zip file link, uploading that show, and I use my own written index, because Hightail's search function is unreliable.  Yes it is slow, but very easy to exchange shows (I just give you the permanent link).  Cost is about $15 a month.  So far I've done A-M since Pandemic.  I can do about 20 shows a day, easy. 

I think DaSpy and I use Hightail the same way. 
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: TheMetalist on August 27, 2020, 12:16:28 PM
Yes it is slow, but very easy to exchange shows (I just give you the permanent link).
How do you prevent someone you shared the link with from sharing with others? Can you add a download expiration date?
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: daspyknows on August 27, 2020, 12:30:57 PM
Yes it is slow, but very easy to exchange shows (I just give you the permanent link).
How do you prevent someone you shared the link with from sharing with others? Can you add a download expiration date?

Yes you can add expiration dates.  I am not sure if you can set the number of downloads as it isn't something I need to do.  You can also password protect links.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: TheMetalist on August 27, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Yes it is slow, but very easy to exchange shows (I just give you the permanent link).
How do you prevent someone you shared the link with from sharing with others? Can you add a download expiration date?

Yes you can add expiration dates.  I am not sure if you can set the number of downloads as it isn't something I need to do.  You can also password protect links.
Ok. Expiration dates are great. It would be very unpleasant to find links you shared with someone on guitars101 or other sharing sites. Some people just can't be trusted. Passwords can also be shared.

I'll definately have to check out Hightail. I actually started a free account a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Scooter123 on August 27, 2020, 04:45:39 PM
Two storage options.

SEND and SPACES

Sends have expiration dates, passwords, verifications

Spaces only have passwords. They do not expire.  But can be deleted.

I may be wrong, but that’s my understanding.

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: rigpimp on August 27, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
I cover most sharing with a 2TB Dropbox but I am looking for something that has similar features but much larger capacity. 

I am giving G Suite a try with the 14 day trial and will test the 1TB limit.  It says 1TB limit if you only use one user, but unlimited if you have 5+ users.  It is $12/month/user
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: Scooter123 on August 27, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
Hightail is unlimited storage.
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: rigpimp on August 28, 2020, 12:09:33 AM
Isn't this ironic.  I cannot tell if they are listening to me, or listening to me.  Apparently they are testing some kind of feature that includes the ability to send files up to 100GB from their app.

Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: aaronji on August 28, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
I don't think it does automatic backups.  I don't use it that way.  It is more meant for cloud storage.

It can do automatic backups, but  .....

Thanks. I am intrigued by the unlimited storage, but I like the automatic backups that I currently get. Each night, I backup my desktop, some specific folders on my NAS, and my laptop (if it is plugged in). As I am currently using less than 25% of my cloud storage allocation, I think I will just keep things as they are until I need more room. At that point, I will definitely take Hightail into consideration...
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: guitard on August 28, 2020, 12:04:33 PM
I have 19TBs backed up with BackBlaze.  It seems to be good for backups and storage, but not for sharing.  But my main goal was simply to have unlimited backups for a reasonable price (I'm paying $60/yr).
Title: Re: Anyone else using Google Drive for storage
Post by: rigpimp on August 28, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
I have 19TBs backed up with BackBlaze.  It seems to be good for backups and storage, but not for sharing.  But my main goal was simply to have unlimited backups for a reasonable price (I'm paying $60/yr).

I thought they charged $0.005/GB/Month?  I have looked at B2 which would be over $200/month for me.  No thanks.  It's even more expensive to pull data back down.  They also do not allow mapped drives or NAS connections although I think FreeNAS (my OS) has a feature that defeats it.

Back on the G Suite track...

I uploaded a 600gb cassette archive project into a new Shared Drive and it shows 0% used.  I like that.  I'm uploading another 800gb project now to get me up and over the 1TB limit to see what happens.