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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #210 on: July 16, 2014, 12:45:54 PM »
At least these switches on the R-44 are relatively flush and can't be easily switched by accident.  Protruding phantom switches like on the DR-680 can be accidentally switched much more easily.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #211 on: July 29, 2014, 02:47:27 PM »
Here's an R-44 question I cannot seem to work out. Poured through the manual. Looked through the threads...

I have a 2x stereo recordings: 4 channels. I like them both. I can play any of the 4 channels back through the machine, even the stereo mix combining the 2 left and 2 right channels, but only through the headphone monitor jack.

WHen it comes to "on the fly" mixing of the channels together, is there a way to get that to happen through the digital outs and then just play the file to another stereo recorder, thus making a fast mixdown of 4>2 channels in true 24/96?
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #212 on: July 29, 2014, 02:54:57 PM »
The digital output mix will be the same as whatever you are sending to the headphone jack, so yes, it's entirely possible to do what you're suggesting. The only draw back to using the digital out is that you can no longer toggle the channels fed to headphone out for monitoring purposes (unless of course you're ok with the change in mix channels on the 2nd recorder.).

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #213 on: July 29, 2014, 04:34:16 PM »
so... anyone have a link to the firmware update procedure?    ;D

i can't find it.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #214 on: July 29, 2014, 04:42:06 PM »
I've done that jb63, here's a bit more detail on what hi and low posted-

If doing it on playback from the R44, you'll get individual output level control over each of the 4 channels.   If doing it 'live' while recording, the only control over individual channel levels is via the record input gains. 

You won't have control over panning in any case- channels 1 and 3 are both routed to the Left channel output, channels 2 and 4 are both routed to the Right channel output.

As hi and low mentioned, the digital output duplicates the headphone output.  The analog RCA outputs may be switched between 4 individual channel outputs or 2 pairs of stereo outputs which are duplicates of the headphone out (assuming any firmware version later than the original release).
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #215 on: July 29, 2014, 04:43:41 PM »
so... anyone have a link to the firmware update procedure?    ;D

i can't find it.

http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=R-44&id=1812303
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #216 on: July 29, 2014, 04:47:31 PM »
so... anyone have a link to the firmware update procedure?    ;D

i can't find it.

http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=R-44&id=1812303

thanks.  i went from 1.05 > 1.21

i like the new zoom levels!
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #217 on: July 29, 2014, 04:50:41 PM »
That was fast.

Haven't done this update yet myself.  I'd still like to see a firmware update that provides panning, even if it's via the effects.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #218 on: July 29, 2014, 05:16:13 PM »
That was fast.

Haven't done this update yet myself.  I'd still like to see a firmware update that provides panning, even if it's via the effects.

well, i had the gear out for counting crows and toad the wet sprocket tonight.  the update literally took about a minute and half total.  about 20 seconds to actually install.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #219 on: July 29, 2014, 06:29:33 PM »
I've done that jb63, here's a bit more detail on what hi and low posted-

If doing it on playback from the R44, you'll get individual output level control over each of the 4 channels.   If doing it 'live' while recording, the only control over individual channel levels is via the record input gains. 

You won't have control over panning in any case- channels 1 and 3 are both routed to the Left channel output, channels 2 and 4 are both routed to the Right channel output.

As hi and low mentioned, the digital output duplicates the headphone output.  The analog RCA outputs may be switched between 4 individual channel outputs or 2 pairs of stereo outputs which are duplicates of the headphone out (assuming any firmware version later than the original release).



Excellent!
Right now I'm struggling through how to have 2 channels input digital and 2 channels analog with phantom power.
It should be easy, right?

;-)
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #220 on: July 29, 2014, 08:31:04 PM »

Excellent!
Right now I'm struggling through how to have 2 channels input digital and 2 channels analog with phantom power.
It should be easy, right?

;-)

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #221 on: July 29, 2014, 10:31:16 PM »
I've done that jb63, here's a bit more detail on what hi and low posted-

If doing it on playback from the R44, you'll get individual output level control over each of the 4 channels.   If doing it 'live' while recording, the only control over individual channel levels is via the record input gains. 

You won't have control over panning in any case- channels 1 and 3 are both routed to the Left channel output, channels 2 and 4 are both routed to the Right channel output.

As hi and low mentioned, the digital output duplicates the headphone output.  The analog RCA outputs may be switched between 4 individual channel outputs or 2 pairs of stereo outputs which are duplicates of the headphone out (assuming any firmware version later than the original release).



Excellent!
Right now I'm struggling through how to have 2 channels input digital and 2 channels analog with phantom power.
It should be easy, right?

;-)

Digi-in on the R-44 is fixed to channels 1+2. You have to use channels 3+4 for analog input. Select DIG+ANALOG on the recording settings menu. Don't have mine in front of me right now but that should set you down the right path...

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #222 on: July 30, 2014, 10:30:16 AM »
I've done that jb63, here's a bit more detail on what hi and low posted-

If doing it on playback from the R44, you'll get individual output level control over each of the 4 channels.   If doing it 'live' while recording, the only control over individual channel levels is via the record input gains. 

You won't have control over panning in any case- channels 1 and 3 are both routed to the Left channel output, channels 2 and 4 are both routed to the Right channel output.

As hi and low mentioned, the digital output duplicates the headphone output.  The analog RCA outputs may be switched between 4 individual channel outputs or 2 pairs of stereo outputs which are duplicates of the headphone out (assuming any firmware version later than the original release).



Excellent!
Right now I'm struggling through how to have 2 channels input digital and 2 channels analog with phantom power.
It should be easy, right?

;-)

Digi-in on the R-44 is fixed to channels 1+2. You have to use channels 3+4 for analog input. Select DIG+ANALOG on the recording settings menu. Don't have mine in front of me right now but that should set you down the right path...

and any time you change the recording config remember to confirm you go back to "Stereo x 2" or whatever you need. It defaults to "Stereo x 1". this takes a while to notice at first and will drive you nuts when you think you have it setup to do both digi and analog. Otherwise it really is that easy. Digi for 1+2 and use Analog for 3+4 and Stereo x 2 (total of four channels) and you're in good shape.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #223 on: July 30, 2014, 02:08:04 PM »
You can also use the monox4 option, which I find easier to load and use in wave editor...
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #224 on: July 30, 2014, 02:25:39 PM »
You can also use the monox4 option, which I find easier to load and use in wave editor...

Is that option available when using the digital input?
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