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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #225 on: July 30, 2014, 02:34:40 PM »
It isn't mono x4, that isn't available with digi in. I misspoke. I meant that 4x1 option; that is the one I use, and find easier, instead of stereox2
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #226 on: July 30, 2014, 04:26:19 PM »
Thanks, I didn't realize you could do monox4 4x1 with the dig-in either.   :)

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #227 on: July 30, 2014, 04:32:33 PM »
You cannot do the mono x4 with digi in. You can do that 4x1 setting that makes a 4ch wav, which is what I prefer to use, as it is easy to load and use in wave editor. I apologize for any confusion...
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #228 on: July 30, 2014, 08:15:42 PM »
Well I should have just waited!
I figured all that stuff out last night and here you have all told me and saved me a bunch of time.

Ok. So master: slave. Do I need a special cable?
Will the master simply make the slave do the same thing? Ie: turn on and of at the same time.
Can the master run digital in AND ANALOG IN while the slave runs only analog in?
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #229 on: July 31, 2014, 05:11:14 AM »
Well I should have just waited!
I figured all that stuff out last night and here you have all told me and saved me a bunch of time.

Ok. So master: slave. Do I need a special cable?
Will the master simply make the slave do the same thing? Ie: turn on and of at the same time.
Can the master run digital in AND ANALOG IN while the slave runs only analog in?

Yes to all of this, I configure this way much of the time.

You need a 1/8 TRS male-male cable.

The slave deck will synch, but you will observe that you will have to time-align the starting positions of the slave files with the master files, in post.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #230 on: July 31, 2014, 02:54:43 PM »

You need a 1/8 TRS male-male cable.

The slave deck will synch, but you will observe that you will have to time-align the starting positions of the slave files with the master files, in post.

I guess that's why it isn't included in the box. Its just a simple cable.

Thanks again! Next outing on Sunday, so I'll try to get it together...
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #231 on: July 31, 2014, 07:33:43 PM »
Yes to all of this, I configure this way much of the time.

You need a 1/8 TRS male-male cable.

The slave deck will synch, but you will observe that you will have to time-align the starting positions of the slave files with the master files, in post.

This has been discussed elsewhere in the R-44 thread and on these boards, but figured I'd reiterate it: syncing two R-44s via an 1/8" TRS cable only syncs the stop/start control.  It does not sync the clocks of the two decks and you will likely have to adjust samples in post and not just time-align the starting and ending positions of the tracks.  I know that there are some R-44 users who swear that the clocks of two decks have been perfectly aligned via just the 1/8" cable but in my experience, and I believe Roland's take on this, I have found that is definitely not the case.  The only way I (along with acidjack) have ever been able to clock-sync two R-44s is via the S/PIDF on the decks.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #232 on: July 31, 2014, 09:48:53 PM »
I whole-heartedly disagree.  I sync two r-44's perfectly, successfully, every time.  No bullshit.

It is unfortunate that you and acidjack could not sync your two particular machines, Fried Chicken Boy.

I can provide many examples of filesets that illustrate that my r-44's sync.

Have fun jb63, and please let us know your findings.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #233 on: August 01, 2014, 02:03:48 PM »
If your decks sync perfectly via 1/8" TRS, capn, then that's a great thing and I can't knock it.  In my experience (and I believe acidjack even tried it with another R-44, Dan Lynch's) we could not ever get two of them to clock-sync via the 1/8" cable, it needed the S/PIDF.  With all respect, we'll just have to agree to disagree on our findings. 

To echo capn's sentiments, have fun rolling with the R-44, jb63, and please let us know what comes of it.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #234 on: August 01, 2014, 04:26:36 PM »
If your decks sync perfectly via 1/8" TRS, capn, then that's a great thing and I can't knock it.  In my experience (and I believe acidjack even tried it with another R-44, Dan Lynch's) we could not ever get two of them to clock-sync via the 1/8" cable, it needed the S/PIDF.  With all respect, we'll just have to agree to disagree on our findings. 

To echo capn's sentiments, have fun rolling with the R-44, jb63, and please let us know what comes of it.

so, you can link the two together with a standard 1/8th stereo cable, but may have to adjust the clocks in post..

how do you sync two decks together using s/pidf?  and can you use all 8 channels? 

i mean, a s/pidf cable isn't much more expensive than an 1/8th stereo cable.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #235 on: August 01, 2014, 05:03:38 PM »
Connect, and the one that has the spdif going in, set clock to ext

Can use all four analog ins, no digi in, 'cos you are sending the clock info through that jack...

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #236 on: August 01, 2014, 07:14:52 PM »
Connect, and the one that has the spdif going in, set clock to ext

Can use all four analog ins, no digi in, 'cos you are sending the clock info through that jack...

wait, so digi out from deck one to digi in on deck two?  i'm confused.

page 75 in the manual only mentions using the 1/8th stereo sync.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #237 on: August 01, 2014, 08:23:46 PM »
just use the 1/8" TRS sync cable.

set one machine to master

set the other to slave

record any way you want

let us know how you make out
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #238 on: August 01, 2014, 08:26:07 PM »
just use the 1/8" TRS sync cable.

set one machine to master

set the other to slave

record any way you want

let us know how you make out

well, that's the plan.  i've never had two units together yet, but my buddy is buying one soon.  will do.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #239 on: August 01, 2014, 09:27:32 PM »
I thought as discussed in earlier threads that the word clock will not sync using the "sync" cables (only control is sync'd)
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Although some people have seen near perfect alignment when running 2 decks others have seen significant drift between 2 decks

To get around this limitation you need to run a spdif cable from out on master deck to in on slave and set slave's clock to sync to ext as noted above


This is in addition to the 1/8" TRS "SYNC" cable
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