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I am finally switching over to flac from shn. Now I have questions.
 I am making flac discs for both Tea Leaf Green and Particle so they can be uploaded to the archive. I have never encoded anything to flac before.
I have read and researched all I can for right now. I feel I have a good understanding of how it is done but I have a
few questions.
First does it matter if I Tag the files before or after I encode?
How do I create the XML files? ( I assume the info in the tag is what becomes the XML file)
Do I need to create an MD5 file along with the Fingerprints?( I only ask because I read that flac does not need any and the Phil n Friends show from 12/18/04 has one) If so what program do I use to generate it.
I'm sorry if these are dumb newbie questions but I just want to make sure I do it right to seed it to the archive.
I was hoping maybe someone could summarize the process in a simple step by step type of instructions or perhaps a link that may already have something of the sort, rather than this page to this page with all sorts of info kind of confusion.
                   Thanks in advance for any help
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well first, start w. the newest version of flac frontend, its version 1.7.1 :)

what burninmg program do ya have ???

i have lately been going thru everything and making  a flaclength from shntool to verify SBE's and also in that same folder w/ the info file/flac fingerprint/flaclength text file,a nd the flacs, then i generate an md5 for the whole folder :)

heres a helpful link :)

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=SeedingGuidelines

oh yeah, when encoding, verify/align SBE for sure, the other options are up to you :)
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Damn I thought I posted in the Ask the Tapers section sorry about that Moke. Could you please move the thread over.
 Anyway Bean I have the 1.7.1 version
I use Roxio 6.0
SBE's ??? could you explain a little further? So is the MD5 for that info only and not the audio portion?
So do the XML files come from the info you get from shntool or just the MD5?
Thanks for the link and help Bean once I get the point it will be smooth sailing for me , it seems like it is fairly easy once you get all your poop in a group.  +T

 
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Damn I thought I posted in the Ask the Tapers section sorry about that Moke. Could you please move the thread over.
 Anyway Bean I have the 1.7.1 version
I use Roxio 6.0
SBE's ??? could you explain a little further? So is the MD5 for that info only and not the audio portion?
So do the XML files come from the info you get from shntool or just the MD5?
Thanks for the link and help Bean once I get the point it will be smooth sailing for me , it seems like it is fairly easy once you get all your poop in a group. +T

 


SBE's are sector boundary issues: http://forums.etree.org/viewtopic.php?t=1884&highlight=sector+boundary+error
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Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
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Portable Playback Gear:
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Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax 3.5mm | FiiO LC 2.5c 2.5mm ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

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don't worry about the xml stuff.  as for SBE's and shntool we'll get to that later.  if you use cdwave to track you should be good to go on SBE's.  so drop all the files into frontend.  just check verify and align on sector boundarys  now pick the level to encode at.  8 is the best/smallest.  in the output directory tell it the folder to go to.  click encode.
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oh and I do not create a md5.  to create a fingerprint.  drop the flac files into frontend and click on fingerprint.  while you are there click test to test the files.  if you do want to create a md5 all you have to do is right click> create md5 with mkwact.
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ok, if ya have tracked weavs on your HD, heres what ya need to do

1. Open flac frontend, hit 'add files' find your folder where your wavs are, and highlight them all, from the bottom up so they stay in order.

2. if you are saving in the same directory as the wavs were in, simply keep the 'destination' to << same as input directory >>

3. when encoding, i alwayas have 'verify' checked, and lately been doing the 'align sector boundary' checked, since its been fixed in the new version, and also, i do 'delete input file' so when i go to burn in nero, there arent wavs and flacs and then i have to pick them seperately instead of highlighting them all :)

4. once the flacs are made, add all of the flac files in flac frontend w/ the 'add files' button again, once again, highlight all of the flacs for that particular show/folder and hit 'fingerprint' and simply save to your text file

read up on etree wiki for seeding/naming/band abbreviations a bit more tho, because you dont need to make an md5 per folder/show, i just like to do it to know exactly what i have in each folder

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=SeedingGuidelines

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=NamingStandards

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=FLAC

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=FlacFingerprint

and if you do not have tracked wavs, go to www.cdwave.com, its free :)

hope that helped a bit
Recording Gear:
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Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
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Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax 3.5mm | FiiO LC 2.5c 2.5mm ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
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also, gordon, ive never done 'test' have ya ever actually found any flacs that werent 'good ???
Recording Gear:
Schoeps MK 4 (MP) & MK 41V (MP) Capsules ->
Schoeps 250/0 KCY's X2 ->
Naiant +60v/Low Noise PFA's x2 ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's x2 ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3 ->
SanDisk 128gb Extreme Pro & 64gb Ultra Plus

Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax 3.5mm | FiiO LC 2.5c 2.5mm ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
Dell Inspiron 5570-5521 SLV Laptop
(Pentium i5/8gb RAM/256gb SSD)

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also, gordon, ive never done 'test' have ya ever actually found any flacs that werent 'good ???

yes. more than once ;)  nothing I've made myself.  but I've gotten some in trade or from d/l that had errors.  also I don't do the delete input files.  just incase something happens (error) in the encodeing you want the wav file just incase.
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hmm, ive had errors from not letting the flacs decode to wav fully, but it wont delete the input file until ist 100% done decoding, so it saves the good wav, you just re-encode :)

i ahve never teted flacs, maybe i should start to, but i always have the 'decode thru errors' NEVER checked, so if there are errors, it SHOULD tell me :)

im at a standstill about including an md5 per show just so ya know whats in there, etree discourages it, archive encourgaes  it :)

persoanlly, ive renamed everything in my collllection to MY standards for archiving for myself,a nd an md5 is alwasy nice as a 'parts list' just to show ya what ya SHOULD have :)
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Portable Playback Gear:
Campfire Audio Andromeda & Dorado IEM's ->
Linum G2 SuperBax & Bax 3.5mm | FiiO LC 2.5c 2.5mm ->
Shanling Audio M5s | Sony NW-A35 DAP's

DAW:
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i thought you weren't supposed to check the "allign on sector boundaries" option.  if you split with cdwav everthing should be good to go and if you're flac-ing wavs that you didn't cut, wouldn't that stretch them out so that they fit on the sector boundaries making the audio messed up?


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don't worry about the xml stuff.  as for SBE's and shntool we'll get to that later.  if you use cdwave to track you should be good to go on SBE's.  so drop all the files into frontend.  just check verify and align on sector boundarys  now pick the level to encode at.  8 is the best/smallest.  in the output directory tell it the folder to go to.  click encode.
So the XML files really aren't needed for the archive?
So all that is really needed are 2 text files 1 for the fingerprints and then 1 for date, venue, source, setlists and notes ect... right?
 My frontend already had  verify and align sector boundarys checked and the level was set at 6, should it always be at 8 for the best result?
 It sounds like I have done it right so far, the XML files and getting all that is needed for the archive is what I was hung up on.
 I don't want to send it to someone and have them tell me I forgot this or that and they can't upload it to the archive now.
 This stuff is starting to make more sense now.
 Oh yeah I do use CDwave so I guess I'm good to go on SBE's(thanks for clearing that up for me Bean I thought that's what SBE meant)
 Thanks 480v3optijb3dork and +T
« Last Edit: January 26, 2005, 11:10:09 AM by Tye »
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Thanks Brian for moving the thread I guess that's what happens after a weekend of no sleep. ;)
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ok, if ya have tracked weavs on your HD, heres what ya need to do

1. Open flac frontend, hit 'add files' find your folder where your wavs are, and highlight them all, from the bottom up so they stay in order.

2. if you are saving in the same directory as the wavs were in, simply keep the 'destination' to << same as input directory >>

3. when encoding, i alwayas have 'verify' checked, and lately been doing the 'align sector boundary' checked, since its been fixed in the new version, and also, i do 'delete input file' so when i go to burn in nero, there arent wavs and flacs and then i have to pick them seperately instead of highlighting them all :)

4. once the flacs are made, add all of the flac files in flac frontend w/ the 'add files' button again, once again, highlight all of the flacs for that particular show/folder and hit 'fingerprint' and simply save to your text file

read up on etree wiki for seeding/naming/band abbreviations a bit more tho, because you dont need to make an md5 per folder/show, i just like to do it to know exactly what i have in each folder

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=SeedingGuidelines

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=NamingStandards

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=FLAC

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=FlacFingerprint

and if you do not have tracked wavs, go to www.cdwave.com, its free :)

hope that helped a bit

 Thanks Bean it did help. I have already read everything up and down from wiki.etree
I guess my question now is what is required on the finished disc for upload to the archive?
I read that it is encouraged to include Metadata tags and this is where I get confused this info is
what seems to be in the XML files and it seems most everything I have seen downloaded off of the archive
has had the XML files included and I have not found where it says how to create them anywhere.
 If they are not needed than that is great but like I said I just want to make sure that when I send these out to the bands they will not have any hangups uploading to the archive.
 Basicly I think I got the hang of encoding , fingerprinting, tagging, testing, verifying ect.. now it's just the specifics I'm unsure of.
 Thanks again guys it's really starting to sink in now. I knew it was easier than it looked. a round of +T's on me
and some more for my magical post # ;) :P
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Tye:

Few thoughts:

1) the current version of cdwave can actually save split tracks as flac files -- I've had great success with this.

2) with cdwave you should always put a track split at the very beginning and very end of each wav (and discard the parts before the first split and after the last split).  If you have the first track start at the very beginning of the pre-split wave and/or have the last track continue to the very end of the pre-split wav, both/either of these files will likely contain sector boundary errors.

3) If you do use the flac frontend to creat flacs (from waves) and use the fix sector boundary error feature (which I understand works fine on the current version of the flac frontend), be SURE that the flac frontend lists the tracks in the proper order (d1t1, d1t2, etc.) before flac compressing.  Mine always seems to put the last track first.  If left out of order, say with the last track first, if the first track on the list has a sbe, the sbe fixing program will pull data from last track to the next track on the list, etc. and weirdness could occurr.

4) I personally make md5s for the flacs I create, especially if the flacs are being torrented/seeded/etc.  My reasoning, far easier to run a md5 check to be sure everything's kosher than to compare flac fingerprints and/or test the flac set and need to look at each flac test's result to confirm that all's OK.

5) EAC can also be configured to save directly to flac.  I'm using this (and the free db file naming feature) to rip all of my commercial cds to my hard drive for instant access/spdif playback to my strda5000es once my squeezebox (www.slimdevices.com) arrives.

 

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