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Re: Stack taping with Cards/Hypers
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 01:26:05 PM »
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Re: Stack taping with Cards/Hypers
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2008, 01:35:37 PM »
i've run a-b, xy, and din for stack.

of all the three, i prefer a-b, even though some people say to only run a-b w/ omnis.

is it just me or does xy and din lessen the depth (bass) of your tape on the stack?

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i used to do a mod xy for just that reason with my sp 853s
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Re: Stack taping with Cards/Hypers
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2008, 12:36:28 AM »
ScottT, when people say "X/Y" with no further details, they generally mean a coincident pair of cardioids. Coincident stereo recordings made with cardioids tend to have high positive correlation between the channels, since for one thing a cardioid is quite a broad pattern, and especially since there is this nutso idea out there that 90 degrees is some kind of ideal angle to set between the axes of a pair of X/Y cardioids (try 120 instead and be amazed).

A high positive correlation between channels is a Good Thing for mono compatibility, but it detracts from any sense of spaciousness in the recording. I generally don't recommend using cardioids in a coincident setup unless mono compatibility is an absolute requirement; I generally prefer ORTF for cardioids, and I only use coincident placement for M/S or for patterns such as supercardioid or figure-8, which are narrow enough to create clear differentiation between the stereo channels.

Placing two cardioids together doesn't decrease their low-frequency sensitivity as such, but it does lump much of the good stuff in a stereo recording (both direct and reflected sound energy) dead into the center of the stereo image, giving a "flat," basically mono feel to the recording.

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Re: Stack taping with Cards/Hypers
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2008, 09:34:54 AM »
ScottT, when people say "X/Y" with no further details, they generally mean a coincident pair of cardioids. Coincident stereo recordings made with cardioids tend to have high positive correlation between the channels, since for one thing a cardioid is quite a broad pattern, and especially since there is this nutso idea out there that 90 degrees is some kind of ideal angle to set between the axes of a pair of X/Y cardioids (try 120 instead and be amazed).

A high positive correlation between channels is a Good Thing for mono compatibility, but it detracts from any sense of spaciousness in the recording. I generally don't recommend using cardioids in a coincident setup unless mono compatibility is an absolute requirement; I generally prefer ORTF for cardioids, and I only use coincident placement for M/S or for patterns such as supercardioid or figure-8, which are narrow enough to create clear differentiation between the stereo channels.

Placing two cardioids together doesn't decrease their low-frequency sensitivity as such, but it does lump much of the good stuff in a stereo recording (both direct and reflected sound energy) dead into the center of the stereo image, giving a "flat," basically mono feel to the recording.

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Re: Stack taping with Cards/Hypers
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2008, 10:57:51 AM »
Just ran x-y (around 120) with MK-41's for this show 15ft from stack
with outstanding results. Small club show with lots of chatter and people
moving about. The supercards did a nice job of attenuating the chatter
while still capturing the sound really nice.

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