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I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« on: March 20, 2015, 01:24:05 PM »
I will bet starting my maiden voyage into the world of Schoeps.! I recently acquired a pair of MK2's
and would like to purchase active cables and a Tinybox. Assuming I will be using an R-09HR or a
Sony M-10, (Is the M-10 better/quieter)? I would need advice on:

Active Cables:

1) Best Place to get a set of Active Cables? 
     Can I get new ones?  Is it best to get a used set by posting an ISO in Yard Sale?

2) What configuration do I need? (Assuming I use a Tinybox)


Tinybox

1) What version is best for Schoeps?  2.3 or later?


Overall I have been happy with my AKG 414's and my DPA 4061's, but want to start using some Schoeps. My
ignorance about Schoeps will be evident so all your comments, suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

 Dave

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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2015, 01:29:32 PM »
I will bet starting my maiden voyage into the world of Schoeps.! I recently acquired a pair of MK2's
and would like to purchase active cables and a Tinybox. Assuming I will be using an R-09HR or a
Sony M-10, (Is the M-10 better/quieter)? I would need advice on:

Active Cables:

1) Best Place to get a set of Active Cables? 
     Can I get new ones?  Is it best to get a used set by posting an ISO in Yard Sale?

2) What configuration do I need? (Assuming I use a Tinybox)


Tinybox

1) What version is best for Schoeps?  2.3 or later?


Overall I have been happy with my AKG 414's and my DPA 4061's, but want to start using some Schoeps. My
ignorance about Schoeps will be evident so all your comments, suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

 Dave

PM schoepsnbox for NBob active cables, and the Tinybox is no longer made, so you'd have to find one used. Seems most tapers prefer the M10 over the R9, me included ;)

And you do realize that the mk2s are just omni capsules? Rather hard to use unless you're close to the source IMO! They'll have a lot of chatter in most venues depending on where you're setup at :)
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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2015, 01:47:14 PM »
I will be using these MK2's mostly in blues clubs and other smaller venues where I am very close
and it is very loud. I will eventually get other capsules for most other venues.
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I will PM schoepsnbox.

Thanks


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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 02:11:19 PM »
You should consider the nbox in lieu of the tinybox since it is no longer made.  You could look around in the YS, but it seems the TB's configured to work with schoeps caps directly come up rarely. I think an nbox with actives is around a grand to 1,200 but I may be mistaken.

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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2015, 02:21:56 PM »
FWIW - mk2s has a HF boost making it better for diffused field recording (farther from the source) thab the mk2 - older mk2 (from 1970's or so) have the same Freq as the mk2s -> they came out with the flatter mk2 in about 1980 and changed name of older mk2 to mk2s

DSatz talks about this in a thread somewhere around here

mk5 has similar polar pattern to mk2s (as do the vintage mk22 and m934 series)
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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2015, 07:28:23 PM »
You should consider the nbox in lieu of the tinybox since it is no longer made. 

This is what I'd do if I was starting out.

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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2015, 08:22:55 PM »
You should consider the nbox in lieu of the tinybox since it is no longer made. 

This is what I'd do if I was starting out.

That's what I did but eventually stopped using the NBox and used my Aerco once it arrived.  Never looked back.

Buy schoepsnbox cables and PFAs ( other's with have to explain why ) and then let your ears help you decide.  Too many options for pre's, cables, and recorders. 

The M10 is perfect for a small Schoeps kit.  Super long battery life.  The Aerco is highly customizable.  Jerry will even make it so uses external batteries.  With 3 9v you can get up to about 10 hrs.  Mine is 20db fixed.  RCA outs.  Pretty simple.

Basically, Schoeps caps>Nbob cables>PFAs>Aerco>M10.  That's for me.  Other's would have the NBox in there without the PFAs of course.  And then the route you seem interested in-->Schoeps caps>Nbob cables terminated with a binder ( my favorite )>Tinybox>M10 ( or find a KCY or KCY clone ).

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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2015, 03:32:44 PM »
H2O, the original post says, "I recently acquired a pair of MK2's ..." and I take the apostrophe to indicate the plural--in other words, two capsules of type MK 2, not of type MK 2 S. The MK 2 is free-field equalized, which means that it's designed for situations in which the predominant sound energy is picked up on axis. The OP wrote, "I will be using these MK2's mostly in blues clubs and other smaller venues where I am very close" which fits the definition very well.

The "free" in "free-field" means "a sound field free of physical obstacles that would cause sound to be reflected before it reaches the microphone." The practical opposite of "free-field" equalization is "diffuse-field" equalization, which in the Schoeps line is represented by the MK 3. I bet that few people here run those, although for relatively distant pickup they could be quite useful, I think, particularly if mounted in KA 40 accessory spheres.

Between the characteristics of the MK 2 and MK 3 there are three good choices. One is the omni setting of the MK 5; the other two are the MK 2 H and the MK 2 S. Those are very useful for the typical medium-distance recording that occurs at live performances when the room sound is decent, so you want roughly equal amounts of direct sound and reflected sound in your recording. The MK 2 H is designed for slightly closer placement than the MK 2 S, all other things being equal.

People should realize that published frequency response curves show the on-axis characteristics of the microphone or capsule. With microphones of normal size (i.e. large enough to have good enough signal-to-noise ratio for professional-quality music recording in quiet settings), an omnidirectional capsule can't possibly be omnidirectional at high frequencies--the laws of physics don't allow it. Thus any high-frequency "peaks" that you see on the published graphs are on-axis only; the sides and back won't have them. If you are recording with omnidirectional microphones from relatively far away, only a relatively small amount of sound will reach the microphones within the angle that that "peak" occurs in. So when an omnidirectional microphone or capsule of normal size is "diffuse-field equalized," it won't have a high-frequency peak in its overall, integrated response--and that response is what you are mainly relying upon when you record from distance.

Attached is a composite of the frequency response curves of the Schoeps MK 2, MK 2 H, MK 2 S and MK 3 (top to bottom). But these are just the on-axis curves, and the effective response of an MK 3 when used at appropriate distance (causing sound to arrive at all angles about equally) is essentially the same as the effective response of an MK 2 when used at appropriate distance (causing sound to arrive mainly on axis).

Please, please, please, if anyone here doesn't understand this principle, let's talk it through until you do.

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Re: I have MK2's - Need Advice On Active Cables and a Tinybox
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 12:07:23 PM »
In addition to compensating for distance, another important area where these various responses come into play is compensating for high-frequency attenuation imposed by large foam windscreens or common TS mounting methods such as mounting the microphones under clothing or in a fabric hat.  A rising high-frequency response can contribute some of the necessary EQ correction.
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