Topic: Distributing stealth recordings

[Sloan Simpson]

in the general topic of discussion here, stealth recordings.

And I am surly at that hour, so watch out,.... coffee ain't kickin in until an hour or so after that time quoted

Gotcha, just wanted to be clear.  I've been mostly off of coffee/caffeine for the last month, so I'm surly at pretty much any hour at this point 

Sloan

[Fryhoffer]

Thanks guys, for chiming in.  This has been an educational thread... I had no idea about the bootlegs on eBay.  Tim and nmculbreth, you both make good points, neither of which I took into account in my previous post.  I don't think the artists (Guster and Ben Folds) I stealthed last night are the kind that are so sought after that either would end up on eBay, or be bootlegged at all.  But all this is definitely good to know.

Maybe I'll add a little mp3 to commemorate my first successful stealth and thank you all for your comments. 

[Sloan Simpson]

no coffee?,.... headache sets in 8-[

seeing as how I don't have the deepest fondness for these sites, and have been basically a non-participant of any kind,....
How far do the stealth recordings go to list the whole stealthing technique lineage?
(thats like a magician giving up secrets there! grrrr)

It runs anywhere from full disclosure to "AUD" . . .

Sloan

[taperkat]

my biggest policy is to make sure bands get copies of their recordings. I stealthed 2 of 3 nights of the Bluegrass Sessions back in 2001 - which was not only anti taping, but pretty much severe anti taping, and the 3rd night was a tornado warning, I walked out ofmy car in hip-deep flooding rain, there was 10 inches of water in the orchestra pit. I actually had the foresight to hit record at the beginning of one of the funniest rants I've ever heard in my ENTIRE life.

Actually that entire night, i was just in the right placea t the right time.

My ticket was on the floor, right by the aisle, but in front of me was 2 rows of dead air due to the seats being removed. I walked around prior to the show to find out *oh yeah* that's where the old soundboard was. Therefore, acoustically, it was one of the best places to be.

for the 2nd act, the people beside me left. (*IDIOTS*) but awesome for my recording.

I managed to make every flip (at this time I only had 1 md player) perfectly and missed nothing.

After the show, I was in a daze, and forgot to put my mics away; Bela looked at me, grinned, and made a motion - I looked down and stuffed them in my shirt and tried to play it off. (only time I've ever been caught, too).

I got the show converted (i need to get it reconverted ) and collected the best copies from each show (mine for the 19th was bad bad because it was my 21st birthday, and you can just imagine that I couldn't barely WALK straight much less tape straight but I had the only source for the 20th) CD copies I gave to Bela after a show in Iowa. He said "well, we taped it soundboard" and i had the lovely insight to say "Yes, but now you get to hear it from our view" and he gave me a hug and said "That's what we really want to hear anyway."

Still haven't circulated that show properly, though I have permission. Everyone that I got a copy of their show from I gave a copy to, and a few friends, and that's about it. Definitely need to get it reconverted though...

um, anyway, basically, after that was when i really realized how much the power of stealth really has...

For example, I was able to pull a couple soundboards of a little "punk" but more "power punk emo" band, including an open mic night set at the Bottleneck in early December.

The next summer, they're headlining Warped Tour. Yup, that's Something Corporate. The guys are like "you want to tape, tape, give em out, you showed us what good tapers do".

*nod*

[Zaphod]

You know I have to agree qith Moke on this.

We as steath tapers DO have a responsibility to make sure our recordings do not end up on eBay. If a band is completely adament (sp?) about thier stuff getting sold by bootleggers (which is just about every band), then we really have to make sure that it does not happen.

Just imagine if everyone just really truly did not care or take responsibilty for their shows? How many more would be up on eBay everyday? It reflects extremly badly on the taping community. None of us need nazi security guards at every venue.

With that said I won't every bit torrent any of my shows at sharingthegroove.

[taperkat]

i have never wanted to stealth more in my life than i did tonight - I got turned away by Sister Hazel to record tonight, because they're playing new songs and they don't want them circulated. I was even at a preparty all set up to tape and signed a release for HOB and everything -- signed ON THE FORM that I would not circulate, I would give them the master -- and shot down. Still got told no.

I SO wanted to tape tonight - but the band knows me. Which is why I'm taking this a bit personally.

They also know that I left in tears, $20 poorer because I couldn't sell my ticket so i just gave it to a friend to give to someone else and that every single Hazelnut [fan club] there I know knows I got told no tonight.

some days it doesn't fucking pay to have morals. But I respect these guys way too much.

Damnit. I'm still stunned that a very pro taping band like that says no.. IMHO - you don't want your shit out on the internet, DON'T PLAY IT LIVE. Nothing would have stopped me from calling my friend who's got a wiretap on his phone he's got hooked to his computer AND STREAMING THE ENTIRE SHOW.

Except my fucking morals.

Damnit. 

[Nick Culbreth]

i have never wanted to stealth more in my life than i did tonight - I got turned away by Sister Hazel to record tonight, because they're playing new songs and they don't want them circulated. I was even at a preparty all set up to tape and signed a release for HOB and everything -- signed ON THE FORM that I would not circulate, I would give them the master -- and shot down. Still got told no.

I SO wanted to tape tonight - but the band knows me. Which is why I'm taking this a bit personally.

They also know that I left in tears, $20 poorer because I couldn't sell my ticket so i just gave it to a friend to give to someone else and that every single Hazelnut [fan club] there I know knows I got told no tonight.

some days it doesn't fucking pay to have morals. But I respect these guys way too much.

Damnit. I'm still stunned that a very pro taping band like that says no.. IMHO - you don't want your shit out on the internet, DON'T PLAY IT LIVE. Nothing would have stopped me from calling my friend who's got a wiretap on his phone he's got hooked to his computer AND STREAMING THE ENTIRE SHOW.

Except my fucking morals.

Damnit. 

you left the show crying because you couldn't tape?  things like this happen all the time, you probably shouldn't take it so personally.

[taperkat]

No, it was much more than that. And I"ve been told no before - it's just the way it came about was completely shitty.

Mainly because their management knew beforehand, by over a week, that I'd be taping.

[Nick Culbreth]

No, it was much more than that. And I"ve been told no before - it's just the way it came about was completely shitty.

Mainly because their management knew beforehand, by over a week, that I'd be taping.

i'm sorry about your troubles but taping isn't a right, it's a priviledge.  it just seems like it's silly to get worked up over being asked politely by a band not to tape a show.

[taperkat]

To each their own. I know it's a priviledge, which is why I didn't stealth it.

[MATTZS]

Moke,
   You’ve hit on one of my biggest fears. I love trading and taping, when I pull a great tape I’m so excited that I want to share it with everyone. I see your points and for sure the world has too many unscrupulous people! It’s to bad we have to be so guarded with our tapes, we do have a responsibility to protect what we have created, and make sure, to the best of our ability’s, that they don’t get into the wrong hands. Thanks for getting me back in line with my morals.
Matt

[John R]

touchy subject for sure.  we are responsible to the artists for not distributing an unauthorized recording.  i personally have not sent anything to etree, archive, or stg.  a lot of my stuff has ended up on etree and bb.  some of it has had to be pulled and i've given lineage info for others, especially stuff on bb.  mike has some of my stuff that has never seen daylight, and i know in his hands, it never will.  i freely trade/feed stuff from open taping bands, but it is still via snail mail.  i think i'm going to run my first torrents from some stuff from telluride, but on a very lowkey site.  all this to say, i don't want to be the one responsible for any artist's work being sold on ebay. 

i have a scenario where a fellow taper called me up and was chastising me because a board of taj was up on bt.etree  the taper was responsible for me, the archivist, to be able to record the show(with a copy going to him of course)  during the conversation, he mentions "my only copies went to 'X' the soundguy, 'Y' the stage manager, 'Z" the..."  bummer.  i've searched bt.etree every day since, and it's not listed, so i think he may be mistaken in what he saw.  what i'm not mistaken about, is that he has precluded himself from ever getting any sbd copies of any sets at this event.

just be careful, like mike alluded to, 1 copy has the potential to turn into 1000's.  choose wisely, and keep your recordings close to your chest.

rambling...

jr

[Humbug]

This thread has been interesting reading.

The situation with an up and coming rock band that I stealth tape is that they don't have any material of their own to sell at shows - their EP is a couple of months off and the album probably next year.

My concern is that if I mass release the recordings I've made that it will affect future sales of their own music (or that they may think it will).

I've asked for clarification from the bands manager but no reply so far (in 2 months!).