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new at taping
« on: November 15, 2004, 04:49:18 PM »
i was wondering what I would be abl to buy for taping that would be in the $300 range.  I really don't know anything about taping at all.  Also, could you tape a show on and ipod?

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Re: new at taping
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 04:58:25 PM »
i was wondering what I would be abl to buy for taping that would be in the $300 range.  I really don't know anything about taping at all.  Also, could you tape a show on and ipod?

open or stealth taping?

my $.02 for stealth:

AT mini mics
Battery Box
Nomad JB3

if you can find used equipment, i think it's doable.

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Re: new at taping
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 06:05:11 PM »
i was wondering what I would be abl to buy for taping that would be in the $300 range.  I really don't know anything about taping at all.  Also, could you tape a show on and ipod?

If you are really new, get a JB3 and some patch cables. Patch for a while before you invest in microphones. $300 isn't really going to get you a rig you'll be happy with for any length of time. Or go with what leegeddy recommended if you are planing to stealth tape bands that don't have open taping.
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Re: new at taping
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2004, 06:51:57 PM »
I take it you have already read the Newbie FAQ:

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=4237.0

If not, it should answer many of your queries...

However, to give a short answer, take your $300 and buy this:

1)  Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 (refurbished on EBAY from Creative) - $130
2)  Hosa ODL-276 Digital Format Convertor - $40-$80
3)  1x 3' Coax Digital Cable (looks like single RCA to RCA cable) - $10
4)  1x 3' TOSLINK Optical Digital cable w/ 1/8" TRS Adapter - $20

I would also recommend you get a battery pack of some kind.  I used to use 8x recharge AA batteries together in a pack (9/2 volts), lots of people use 9v remote control car batteries, and I recently bought a 9v Walmart External DVD Player battery pack.  This will be for the HOSA, the Nomad has its own battery.

With this rig, you can "patch" out of any rig out there.  By "patching" you can make a judgement for yourself of a couple of things:

1)  Do I like this hobby to invest more money (on preamps, convertors, mics, etc.), or should I quit.
2)  Which kinds of equipment do I like and dislike - do these mics sound good or bad to my ears.  How about this pre-amp, or AD convertor, etc??? 

Anyways, if anything, its a fun way to meet people (other hard-core music fans) and get to know the band. 

The bad thing is, generally as a taper, you are the first to arrive at a show, and the last to leave.  I've seen many 1 hours shows, that turned into 4 or 5 hour nights, getting there early to set-up, wating waiting waiting, then packing up and talking to everybody and their brother that wants a copy, etc...

It is time-consuming, and depending on how you feel about the crowd, etc., it WILL generally take away from the "fun" you have - no hitting on chicks, no getting (too) schwilly, no heading outside for happy-fun-time - You have to stay there right next to your stuff or someone will break it, pour/spill beer on it, steal it, etc...

But when I get home and listen to my newest tape, I smile smile smile and its all worth it...

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Re: new at taping
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2004, 08:00:53 PM »
IMO start off pathing until and see if you really want to invest money and time into this expensive hobby.  Patch out of people and see what you like and then start building a rig.
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Re: new at taping
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 04:52:06 PM »
what does patching mean?  And could you record a concert to an ipod?

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Re: new at taping
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 05:03:27 PM »
AFAIK no iPods support recording.

Patching means you connect a recording device into somebody else's source and you leave the show with your own copy of their recording.

You could patch with something as inexpensive as a minidisc player, but you'll be much happier in the long term with a Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 (JB3)
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Re: new at taping
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 05:32:30 PM »
what does patching mean?  And could you record a concert to an ipod?


Most, if not all, good recorder's have an output.  Most people use the Sony Digital Audio Tape machines (DAT) and most have a coax digital output.  "Patch" means you run that person's output into your input, thereby giving you an exact copy of what they are recording. 

BUT!!!  Because most digital recorders use the Coax Digital connection, and the Nomad uses the Optical connection, you'll need a Digital Format COnvertor in between, that's where the HOSA comes in.

Unfortunately, the Nomad does NOT have a digital output, and the analog Line-Outs are the greatest...

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Re: new at taping
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 06:10:55 PM »
What if I am taping my voice, a piano, and nothing else...what do I need???
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Re: new at taping
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 06:16:23 PM »
What if I am taping my voice, a piano, and nothing else...what do I need???
Ray

The Sony mic and the Nomad 3 will work just fine for this application.  Those 2 items will give you the bare minimum to record any sound, including vocal/piano. 

You'll have to experiment with mic placement in order to get the best sound. 

Read the instruction manual for both thoroughly and experiment with the units (record your stereo, it is a good constant source - repeat a track over an dover again trying new configurations, methods, etc...)

And once you have it mastered, watch out for the upgrade bug!!!  Soon, you'll want to get bigger and badder mics, and all new toys...

BTW, the Late, Great Ray Charles used ADK microphones...

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