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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2005, 10:50:16 PM »
...next thought....

I was under the impression that running a "matrix" (i.e. aud + sbd) yields delays between sources?  I have a mixer, but I don't have anything on it that mentions "delay".  Comments?
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2005, 11:10:31 PM »
Quote from: balou2 on February 28, 2005, 10:50:16 PM
...next thought....

I was under the impression that running a "matrix" (i.e. aud + sbd) yields delays between sources?  I have a mixer, but I don't have anything on it that mentions "delay".  Comments?

I think most of the comments referring to delay relate to folks adding a stereo pair that is out in the room - not onstage...the further the mics are out in the room, the longer the delay...

Agree with your approach on the vocals...in fact, in those archive examples, the only thing in the board mix is the vocals, one overhead and one kick drum mic...by the time its all sewn together with my onstage mics - it's almost a soundboard feed anyway...as that band gets into bigger rooms - I want to do just what you are doing - just grab the vocals from the mix and add them to my stage blend...
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2005, 11:32:41 PM »
no delay worries while you're on stage....
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2005, 12:22:46 AM »
blumlein gives a very nice stereo image but you will get less bass response.
6 in one, half-dozen in the other...its all a matter of personal taste.

never ran split omnis....my favorite on-stage config(out of x/y, ortf, din, dina) was dina
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2005, 05:46:44 PM »
Quote from: Tim on February 28, 2005, 11:32:41 PM
no delay worries while you're on stage....

Actually this may not be 100% true all the time. Depends if there are any delays set at the board. If so, he might have to adjust accordingly.

Another thing, while not in use too often in our circles, if wireless units are used there is an inherient 3ms delay in those units. However, most of the time these are used for film/video stuff. I have however borrowed a unit recently (which came in quite handy since I was parked up in the balcony) and had to set a delay to sync up the audio.
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2005, 08:55:03 PM »
Quote from: wbrisette on March 01, 2005, 05:46:44 PM
Quote from: Tim on February 28, 2005, 11:32:41 PM
no delay worries while you're on stage....

Actually this may not be 100% true all the time. Depends if there are any delays set at the board. If so, he might have to adjust accordingly.

I dont get that one...what kind of delays...?
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2005, 09:49:04 PM »
make sure that you try blumlein after though. that is my fav. it has a nice stereo image and during playback you can "see" the player as they were on the stage. not just left and right.
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2005, 08:48:29 AM »
Quote from: abada on March 01, 2005, 09:49:04 PM
make sure that you try blumlein after though. that is my fav. it has a nice stereo image and during playback you can "see" the player as they were on the stage. not just left and right.

similar to M/S which I would also recommend (if you have the means)...
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2005, 03:16:45 PM »
Curious about M/S onstage...  If you were recording a band with drums center stage, will the M mic pointed right at the kit end up totally overpowering the recording?  This would be assuming you could only get 4-5' back from the drum kit.  I'd like to try stage M/S, but I have a feeling I'd end up with lots of drums in my situation.
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2005, 07:31:57 PM »
Well, that's the beauty of it ... you can dial down the mid channel for less of that fat drum sound. For M/S recording, I'd talk to Craig T. He's done plenty with either TLM170s or ADK TLs. Much of what I've heard from him done in M/S config sounds very good.
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Re: On-stage thoughts, and some "why's"
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2005, 07:41:32 PM »
Quote from: MattD on March 09, 2005, 07:31:57 PM
you can dial down the mid channel for less of that fat drum sound

Good point!  So obvious, it didn't even occur to me!!   :D
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